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Re: Symbolism/Language/Focus
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Originally Posted by Czymra
Good (fill in current phase of day) Avalonians,
Once more and hopefully ever so humbly I have a question to pin down. This time it will be quite a hulk I'm afraid but I'm well aware of all the mental agility around here so I'm more than curious about its outcome. Truly enough, many times and also with this, I have found the answer to be within the question if I just know how to ask correctly. This in itself is a very revealing process but really I get out of the house too little.
Anyway, I'm on the track and I hope to see the giants of syntax and images in a cosmic stand-off about this. Maybe I'll even invite you personally.
Let's get to it:
I would like to explore the implications of language, specifically symbolism. I'm well aware that this has been done before but I haven't found anything that quite throws this focus on it and I sure have pondered on it a lot myself in this respect.
The questions are:
"Where do symbols draw their power from?" and "Is there an original meaning that somehow is profoundly stronger than all the other 'interpretations'?" and lastly "Why use symbols/language?"
This leaves a lot of things to consider so let me try to splice this up:
a. We all have been exposed to symbols through media.
A great example is this YouTube channel http://uk.youtube.com/user/soundlessdawn in which you can watch videos that explore synchromysticism, a mapping of popular media's symbols and themes, inter-connectedly representing the entirety of human consciousness.
I suppose you can liken this to the Halt Past Human only focussing on entertainment media.
b. What level of symbolism can be accounted for? There are as far as I can see many levels:
Geometric shapes (triangle), abstracted shapes from cosmology or the like (spiral centre of the universe), representational graphics (a chair), functional graphics (a map), then you can even take concepts as symbols (Ying and Yang) or see language as symbols as well.
c. Associations with all these often cover over the original meaning, if there ever was such a thing.
Is this the basis of interpretation or does interpretation draw it's associations already from the one consciousness? If so, is all manipulation that of the one consciousness rather then that of pieces of the whole?
d. Is there something like an unawareness of true meaning that can be/is being used to channel this energy? This can surely be only possible for the pure symbols if so or is it actually a matter of association? (I have the gut feeling that the associations cover OVER the actual core of the symbol. Example: The Pentagram is more quickly associated as a symbol of satanism (upside down) or Wicca/Paganism; but those are polarities of the same thing. What does the Pentagram really stand for?)
If we take on board the notions of language and the problem of the signifier and the signified we have a few other issues:
1. Telepathy, I am not capable of it but I have on several occasions been able to form a word of an action or concept in my head without having any of the words of the languages known to me form in my head. It wasn't like I was missing the word as it happens so many times, it was actually THERE I just didn't associate it with a phonetic sound. This convinces me that there is something like a universal 'language' or rather an essence of that which is, an equivalent to the outside representation of reality, like a mirror, without pictures.
2. The dependency on causality. Humans need to form a story in order to create causality. This is usually allegorical and often refers back to human analogies like a 'birth' of a new age. Language here, I believe may be too dependant on other concepts that might be too removed from life itself.
3. The idea of focusing. I'm not sure if focusing is actually the right term. It depends maybe on the model one uses. If the whole world is around you in semi-transparent layers then focusing on the right depth, visually speaking, will allow you to view just that one item in that one direction at that one depth.
I personally have a hard time imagining that everything could possibly be in a field of vision. So I would like to have a term that describes 'to bring to someone's attention', literally to draw an entity (I willingly ignore subject and object here, by entity I don't mean a spirit or so) into one's field of perception. This is probably similar to remote viewing that once there is a 'hook' one can easily attune to the manifestation of that entity again.
Be that as it may, this is the concept of a symbol, the draw a certain aspect of life into focus no matter if it is a concept, a word, or a picture. It's so to say a 'channeling tool' through which a signifiers is hooked and invoked in one's consciousness.
4. Representation. What is representation, and then what is real? Is everything a symbol or does only it's observation of one make it so? Is a single grain of sand a symbol? Is matter ever not a representation? (Don't call the stars, stars for you reduce them to words.)
My observation so far is that a symbol conjures up a specific 'space' or dynamic of existence and is in all likelihood a singularity in itself that opens up it's own polarity as displayed in the pentagram example.
Lastly, I think that it is interesting to observe that all that is mentioned here is outside of all self-arranging arts as music, dance and emotion, which due to their tension of sitting between the past and the future (the now) and their purity, establish a new context (or a larger context) as every new motion, tone or e-motion emerges into the now.
Meaning however, as it is attached to symbols and can only be communicated if we all agree that 'A rose is a rose is a rose.', is fixed. This dependency on concepts, that are on themselves not 'pure matter' or original, keeps our reference system from the beauty of self-arrangement, and is thus by it's very nature a system that holds us back from exploring the new, as the old system can only be a crutch to a new idea, for which self-evidently, there isn't a word/signifier yet.
0_o okay it's 2 a.m. and I'm ready to hit the hay. I'd appreciate any insights especially if they relate to the manipulation of (mass)consciousness in regard to hidden meanings/implications.
Godspeed,
Czymra
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The power of symbolism is concealed as usual in the womb of the feminine,the Moon, and to be in flow with the moon and its symbolic power,is to be in the flow of life.We are on a solar calendar to supress and manipulate the feminine energy.
All repetition is a manifestation of the principle of memory, symbolized by the moon. When one uses repetition in prayer, or incantations, or advertising, one is calling upon the power of the moon and memory to accomplish something in the world “out there”. Symbolism is a way of tuning into a feeling, of grabbing onto a certain intention. Memory is at the basis of all this – i.e., it provides us with a way of making something which happened once, happen again. So if i want to repeat an event,i would symbolise the event through repetition with the waxing and waning of the moon. Remember wax on wax off.[

 How is the east won , by collapsing the two towers.Symbolism is more powerful than reality. It is more powerful because it is closer to the truth, and the truth is that what we call “reality” is only a symbol.As above so below.
The power of symbolism doesn’t depend upon the particular symbolism being used, for the symbol is useless without the observer to activate it. So it is the intent behind the symbol that makes it powerful. Consider the power of the moon. To time the affairs of your life according to the moon is to hook yourself into the lunar rhythm. Whether you plant on the waxing or waning moon;
All life on earth is attuned to the lunar rhythm, and the extent to which people are or aren’t in tune with this rhythm is the extent to which they are or aren’t in tune with the world around them. For example, the easiest way to head off the impending enviromental , economical spiritual and social crisis would be to get everyone in the world to switch back from a solar to a lunar calendar.
The moon doesn’t have one single, solitary thing to do with it whatsoever. There are no “rays” or discernible causality involved. The physical moon is just a symbol for this rhythm, just as the sun is a symbol for spirit. But both of these symbols are primordial – i.e. they meant what they mean long before we were humans on the earth.
The moon symbolizes one aspect of the Spirit, namely memory – repetition. Repetition, or rhythm, is eternal. It’s just one aspect of the Spirit. One can consider that the Spirit is made of light photons, in which case one is considering its solar aspect; or one can consider that it is made up of vibrations or sounds, and that is its rhythmic or lunar aspect. The lunar aspect is the joyous aspect – indeed, joy is rhythm, and rhythm is joy. This is how we are manipulated, you don't need pride to have joy but how many people know that if the possesions are their pride and joy. There are certain activities which are intrinsically lunar: travel, sickness, prayer, lunacy – anything which means a vacation from, or a pause in, the work day (routine) world is intrinsically a lunar activity.
So all we see is symbolic of the unseen.This is how this demension is manipulated through the use of symbols and repetition of symbols.This is how it works,attack pearl harbor,make a movie called pearl harbor , red dawn, and then make a tv show and video game called without warning. Then finally when the the US is attacked, it is already in memory bans which some what softens the blow.
One of the major reasons we are manipulated because we watch the clock instead of the 28 day gestation of the moon . The powers that be are on sacred feminine time of ebb and flow.Tomorrow is the inaguration which is Tuesday the day of man, governed by mars ie male agression and war. It is probaly a full moon which means all emotions will be high and propaganda will be soaked into the subconciousness of the masses.
Last edited by 777 The Great Work; 01-20-2009 at 10:12 AM.
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