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Ampgod 10-22-2008 06:03 PM

Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
This is a toxin found in many deodorant sticks.

Deodorant Toxin -

Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly:nono:

Ampgod 10-22-2008 11:54 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Found this as a alternative brand.
I have not tried it yet but plan to shortly.

Link is an Alternative Deoderant Option
http://www.thecrystal.com/product_information.cfm

Shellie 10-24-2008 01:33 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
The Crystal (and other brands of the same mineral salt) were very popular in the early to mid-90's. About two years ago I decided to try it... and was very disappointed. The product only works if you wet it and then apply immediately after taking a shower. I shower in the evenings. I found that by lunchtime I stink and need a reapplication- which doesn't work because the bacteria is already on the skin. Instead, the B.O. attaches itself to the crystal salts, resulting in a deodorant stick that stinks more than I do!

I have tried Tom's of Maine unscented original, and it works. The only deal with it is that it contains some pretty strong essences, which sometimes can be irritating. When I first bought it at the store there was another customer who warned me about it- he stopped using it because he broke out in a blistery rash the fist time he used it. But, it works for me so maybe it is an alternative for those who also find the mineral salts don't work for them.

mu2143 10-24-2008 02:59 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Try this it smells good and it is a natural product

http://www.rain-tree.com/amazon-passion.htm

Bobbi 10-24-2008 04:51 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Actually deodorant doesn't contain the aluminum - only anti-perspirants. It's what keeps you dry. Deodorants are fine, you'll just have to deal with the moisture.

whitecrow 10-24-2008 04:59 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Since I make so many of my own personal-care and cleaning products, I've experimented with natural deodorants for years. The crystal does not work for me because I have a skin reaction to that substance, alum. I've found that a little tea tree oil in the pits after the shower works as well as anything. The smell doesn't linger, and sometimes I add a little lavender and patchouli, or cypress and rosemary oils.

Since I've brought up using essential oils, I have to mention that most essential oils are NOT safe to use directly on the skin! Tea tree and lavender are two that are, for MOST people. Always test a small patch of skin, and just because you don't get a reaction does NOT mean it's safe to smear the stuff all over your body. Lavender and tea tree are however, very safe. Other oils should be diluted in a carrier oil. Some, like the citrus oils, evergreens like cypress and juniper, and cinnamon, are notorious for reactions. These I use by the drop in a blend if it's going on my skin.

Aluminum is a toxic metal that should NEVER be used in personal care products or in the kitchen. It is used in antiperspirants - not deodorants - because it shuts down the sweat glands where it is applied, thus disabling one of the body's vital processes, cooling and secreting pheromones through perspiration.

We're so obsessed with body odor that people even buy specialized deodorants and scents for their "personal" areas....give me a break. It's good to be clean...but there's a lot to be said for pheromones. Personally, I can't stand synthetic perfumes, and we're surrounded by far too many of them. I can instantly tell a synthetic scent from a natural one.

I say bathe often, and use natural oils for odor control. By the way, one of my best-selling soaps is made with activated charcoal, and is dandy for armpits and stinky feet as well as everything else.

mu2143 10-24-2008 05:00 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
It Seems some people forgot that the our Shadow-Gov
Is trying to posion with everthing they got. there lying there asses off like hell

Deodorant = Toxic . If you can't eat it then don't put it on your skin

our food Cleaning tooth past etc. All of it

mu2143 10-24-2008 05:03 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
I mean poison lol

elsinorelore 10-24-2008 07:55 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
I love that saying, heard it before somewhere."If ya cant eat eat dont use it on your skin!" Anyway, Ive had alot of luck with Aubrey Organics, out of Tampa Fla... Used it along with my family for years. Not all of their products seem to work the same on the next person, but I really like their Vitamin C and E one. Also, I know people who are on the coconut oil miracle program, and they swear by pure, organic coconut oil. After a-bit of time, your body builds up a type of shield from using and eating it. Maybe its good to look into. Also, changing what you use around every couple of weeks seems to help when 1 seems to stop working.

mu2143 10-25-2008 03:25 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Just becareful, what it say on the label. Because most of the Corp are using therms as Herb and spices and do not specify what is in the product there selling. It will get doggy here when the say new thechnology when there not want you to know what is exactly in the product.

Always read the label on the product if it does not specify all the ingredients.
then you know there hidding something.

What I found about Deodorant your using. If there is chemical in it you can look it up your self. This is just example what I found.

https://www.aubrey-organics.nl/produ...2bd91d4b2d30b1

CETYL ALCOHOL • An emollient and emulsion stabilizer used in many foods and cosmetics preparations including baby lotion, brilliantine hairdressings, deodorants and antiperspirants, cream depilatories, eyelash creams and oils, foundation creams, hair lacquers, hair straighteners, hand lotions, lipsticks, liquid powders, mascaras, nail polish removers, nail whiteners, cream rouge, and shampoos. Cetyl alcohol is waxy, crystalline, and solid, and found in spermaceti (see). It has a low toxicity for both skin and ingestion and is sometimes used as a laxative. Can cause hives. See Fatty Alcohols.

Natural news good info website
http://www.naturalnews.com/NP/Deodor...rspirants.html

Trishsgate 10-25-2008 03:49 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
I make my own from recipes I found on the net two of them are great alternatives. I also make all my cleaning and washing products as well as facial creams etc. My son just sent 20 pages to work with him for the employees who requested the recopies they are copying and giving them out to family members as well as friends.
Below are two that I use the first my son uses he perspires alot and it is really good for body odor. The second I use for my self.
Deodorant

1 tbsp.Corn starch
1 tbsp. Baking soda
1 tbsp. Olive oil
5 to 6 drops Lavender
5 to 6 drops tea Tree Oil
Stir into a paste this will not harden

To apply use two fingers and rub into the skin this is the best deodorant for body odor.

Deodorant
2 tsp. of baking soda
2 tsp. of petroleum jelly
2 tsp. of talcum powder
Double boiler
Small container with lid

Step1
Mix the baking soda, petroleum jelly and talcum powder.

Step2
Heat the mixture in a double boiler, over low heat.

Step3
Stir the mixture while it is heating. You will know it is finished when a smooth cream starts to form.

Step4
Put the cream in a small container with a very tight lid.

Step5
Use as you would use store-bought deodorant.

Love & Peace
Trish

TruthWillSetUFree 10-25-2008 03:50 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
I have had good results with Jason brand deodorant

organic and natural types

check out there site

http://www.jason-natural.com/products/deodorants.php


AmpGod........did you ever read my email I sent with the MMS information you asked for?

THE eXchanger 10-25-2008 05:23 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
i've had good luck with all NEWAYS products
they CLEAN UP MOTHER EARTH
when they go down the drain,
they have almost everything you need :)

www.ineways.com/workingwonders

all non toxic, the best science & nature have to offer
affordable/effective/natural/ safe solutions for almost everything -- even cleaning and laundry - essential oils

even non-toxic cosmetics -- got to love that red lipstick ;)

they have a deodrant - called subdue
and, a toothpaste called ultra shine radiance
and, a product called eliminator, that is used for 101 things
(spray it on lettuce, etc., and, it lasts 10 times longer)

they also have an amazing product
2nd chance to reverse hair loss, it is amazing
it's got the 8 leading technologies in hair fitness, in one simple easy product...

i am 49 / that is a recent picture -
and, i would NEVER go without these products
love/susan

whitecrow 10-25-2008 06:14 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elsinorelore (Post 60803)
IIve had alot of luck with Aubrey Organics, out of Tampa Fla...Also, I know people who are on the coconut oil miracle program, and they swear by pure, organic coconut oil.

I vouch for both of the above. Aubrey makes about the most thoroughly natural and organic personal-care products out there. Note that's not 100% natural and organic, though! Any liquid product will have preservatives and very probably emulsifiers in it. Aubrey uses a mix of grapefruit seed extract and vits A, C & E as its preservative...the vitamins act as antioxidants not preservatives per se. Citric acid is also used in many products. These do not have the shelf life of the chemical preservatives, but are far better for the body and the environment.

Coconut oil is wonderful stuff. We cook with it, and use it in soaps and skin-care products. Spectrum and Jarrow have the best prices I've seen. BTW there is no such thing as extra-virgin coconut oil, that's just marketing. Unlike olive oil and like humans, CO is either virgin or not. Not virgin simply means filtered. There are fractionated coconut oils for use in cosmetics, but that's probably not applicable here.

Someone mentioned Jason products, they are also very good although they do use some artificial preservatives and, I believe, some parabens in their shampoos. They make some very good biotin shampoos for those with thinning hair.

Shellie 10-27-2008 04:11 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Coconut oil? I thought coconut oil was drying to the skin?

Here, we use aged ghar soap, or an olive oil/laurel oil soap from Aleppo. Perfect pH balance, great for skin and hair (you have to make a vinegar rinse though- 1 tbsp vinegar to a gallon of water).

Olive soap has pretty much cleaned up my case of hereditary acne. It alone has done what four dermatologists and a round of acutane couldn't. The vitamins have healed and smoothed out a lot of discoloration. It costs about a buck at the import stores around Detroit, but you can buy it online for the outrageous price of $10 each (but each piece is about 4-inches square).

http://www.oliveoilsoap.com/varieties/syria.cfm

MMe M 10-27-2008 08:22 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobbi (Post 60689)
Actually deodorant doesn't contain the aluminum - only anti-perspirants. It's what keeps you dry. Deodorants are fine, you'll just have to deal with the moisture.

True.

MMe M 10-27-2008 08:25 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
How bout if no one used anything?!

Everybody smells the same. How bad can it be to smell natural? If we all smelled the same, nobody stands out and corporations dont kill and rape the masses wallets.

whitecrow 10-30-2008 06:47 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellie (Post 62514)
Coconut oil? I thought coconut oil was drying to the skin?

Well, it may be drying to SOME skin, that's according to reports. In practice I have never known anyone whose skin was dried by coconut oil either used directly on the skin or in soaps. I have made a 100% coconut oil salt soap, and even it seemed very moisturizing!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellie (Post 62514)
Here, we use aged ghar soap, or an olive oil/laurel oil soap from Aleppo. Perfect pH balance, great for skin and hair (you have to make a vinegar rinse though- 1 tbsp vinegar to a gallon of water).

I used to be in touch with a soapmaker in Istanbul who mentioned laurel soap, and I've searched unsuccessfully for laurel oil. I can get bay essential oil, but I think it's a different oil. I'd love to try that. What is ghar?

The rinse will be according to the mineral and salt content of your water. Real soaps do leave a residue in many kinds of water, which is why synthetic detergents gradually eased them out of the marketplace by 1952 or so. A vinegar rinse on the hair, or a dash in the wash, solves the problem naturally. You can make some nice herbal vinegar rinses for the hair, too.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellie (Post 62514)
Olive soap has pretty much cleaned up my case of hereditary acne. It alone has done what four dermatologists and a round of acutane couldn't. The vitamins have healed and smoothed out a lot of discoloration. It costs about a buck at the import stores around Detroit, but you can buy it online for the outrageous price of $10 each (but each piece is about 4-inches square).

http://www.oliveoilsoap.com/varieties/syria.cfm

Pure olive oil soap, such as made by Kiss My Face, is actually the only true castile soap, made since the middle ages and still one of the finest soaps available for the skin. It moisturizes without leaving a residue, and it cleanses gently but thoroughly. It does not lather abundantly, and it's expensive, which is why most soapmakers add things like coconut oil and palm oil. That price is outrageous. I charge $6.50 for a 4.25 oz. bar, except for handmilled and specialty soaps.

Swanny 10-30-2008 10:47 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Oh great news I just checked my stock of 6 roll ons and they contain Aluminum Chorohydrate Glycerin :sad:
What is this supposed to do to us???
I've been using this one for years so I guess using up these 6 is going to be ok, then I will buy something else.
I hope I'm not here after 2012 so as long as I can last another 4 years that's ok with me :)

elsinorelore 10-30-2008 03:17 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
READ labels 1st! I just decided to go out to a few stores to check out some deos, and guess what, I found 2 different types of those deo crystals, that everyone thinks are suppposed to be natural, well, they are not, they also have alluminum in them! I only found 1 deo crystal that didnt have the toxic stuff in it! That really bothers me that they label something natural, and its not! I know its been going on for years, I think the PTB think we are all too stupid to read, we really need to urge our friends and family to read more lables!!! Me, Ive been on Aubrey organics for so long now, which I love and advise my loved ones to look into!!!

THE eXchanger 10-30-2008 03:32 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
i love organic coconut oil--
it is quite amazing
to put on hair/skin and,
to utilise when cooking
you can fry in it, and,
you can make amazing salad dressings with it
love
susan - the eXchanger

Connecting with Sauce 11-02-2008 11:46 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MMe M (Post 62631)
How bout if no one used anything?!

Everybody smells the same. How bad can it be to smell natural? If we all smelled the same, nobody stands out and corporations dont kill and rape the masses wallets.

Funny you should say that... I shower at least once a day and all I use is soap (see my other thread on no shampoo)... I don't have a BO problem :) or maybe people don't get close enough to tell me ;)

On the soap front I think I will shift to using a natural one from the likes of 'Lush' when my soap stock starts to runs low in 2025 :)

burgundia 11-02-2008 12:33 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
I use a crystal salt stick first and then I spray an ordinary deodorant not containing aluminim. Works perfectly. I perspire but there is no bad odour.

Shellie 11-04-2008 03:44 AM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Ghar means "laurel/bey" in Arabic. Imho, it is better than true Castile/olive oil soap. I've used two Greek brands of Castile soap, one Israeli, one French, and a bar of Kiss My Face and they don't compare to ghar soap.

Laurel is the same as bey, only bey is a much more pungent variety of the same tree. Bey leaves are those tiny little leaves they sell in a jar for $5 (which you can buy for 2.99/pound at an import store), and laurel leaves are the big ones they sell in Indian groceries. I am not sure if the soapmakers use an oil to make the soaps, of if they just boil the leaves in the water they intend to use. Btw, the ghar soap is still made with olive oil.

Swanny 11-06-2008 12:27 PM

Re: Deodorant Toxin - Aluminum Zirconium Trichlorohydrex Gly
 
Bought some from tescos yesterday that has a big sticker on it saying Aluminum free :original:


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