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Re: Bill Ryan's thread

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Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 211670)

Absolutely stunning interjection Abraxasinas... is anyone paying attention?

I see it clearly that when we or other whisltleblowers use the "positive" or "negative" terms, please discern & keep them in context.

What I mean is that, even the "fallen" Zeta (fallen in quotations because it's context that matters), the ones whose agenda has us being taken into the "death" science... they are those have found themselves trapped, disconnected, having resorted to tampering w/we humans for their very survival, being skilled in ways we are not and we being skilled in ways they are no longer able,... that of the heart.... and steering us, quite scientifically, toward what we would normally deem hellish... howEver, it is their only seeming route Out of the mess they are in.... Now..

Doing your own internal cleansing, do you not find within your own lives (this one, as you more than likely have no recall of any other)
plenty of experiences that you would deem as not very savory?
Are there not defectors all the time from black-hats ?<< whistleblowers coming "clean" after having lived lives orchestrating their dirty deeds for whatever reasons at 'those' times...

not to mention that the "positive" Guardians, who are now being depicted as recognizable w/tools to get on board, have RULES... there are Rules, laws of operation, Universal Codes of Conduct, etc... that prevent their intervention beCAUSE WE, duh, have you figured it out yet?are or have been giving our power away, not only out of ignorance but even willingly, as is the case with some of our own human-being-family...

Hi Moxie!

I find this thread rather hard to follow and so I missed your post for a while, I apologise for that. The problem is that the ordering in this 'multithread' is not in a time sequence, but in a nesting hierarchy. This nesting hierarchy is very good for a small number of 'subthreads' but becomes confusing if there are many such 'subthreads'.

But your comments are aligned with my understanding. I have interspersed here, because you have mentioned 'the giving our power away'. Yes, this is precisely why there cannot be an 'alien physical contact' and 'for all to see disclosure'.

The present state of human group-consciousness is 95% aligned with 'normal' 5-sense stimulatory reactivity.
And because in the 'cosmic scheme' the major consciousness interaction is from universe to galactic cell to starsystem to planet-moon to regionality to individuated sentience within that regionality; the 'alien' presence must follow the 'natural law' to 'communicate' through this structure of the conduits.

Iow, for 'alien physical contact' to occur, and as many already know, the 'mother consciousness' is required to align to the star consciousness and so forth.
Then the individual human intelligence is required to act as a data/information collector for the planetary consciousness relying information to the higher systems.

This is really omni-science and a physical implementation of the metaphysics but shows that the INABILITY of the human agendas to UNIFY (towards a minimum % of 0.002 or so 1 in 50,000), prevents the 'human groupmind' to act as a COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE.

Once there are enough humans, individualised in creativity and being YET UNIFIED in say PHILOSOPHY or (religion or science or some other form of deep inner understanding about themselves, origins, reality etc); THEN this 'STARMIND' will MIRROR in the GAIAN mothermind reflect to the SOLAR Mind reflect back to the galaxy and so on.

Most people have it back to front.
It is not what the aliens can give us, but what what we can give to them.
It is not that we ar3e waiting for them, it is them who are waiting for us.
To get the Story about ourselves right - in simplest terms.

But I better stop, as this kind of talk seems a little 'off topic'.
If you like Moxie, you can start a new thread someplace and we can talk about the details and of course with anyone else who would like to contribute.

Abraxasinas

<< ignorance/willfull cooperation/ whatever the reasons.. there are LAWS/CosmicUniversal Treaties of respecting a sovereing being (even if you are not cognizant that you are )...

the (what we'd deem) benevolent ones do not directly intervene
WITHOUT YOUR EXPRESSED INVITATION....howEVER, we do not have enough information or hearted insight to even know for sure who they are...

There IS a way... there is Technology... there Is means to gain or shall I say, RE-GAIN what we've given away...

How can your decieved mind guide you towards Knowing?
THAT is the question.

Ask good questions.... Clean House,

I think that Greer states that there ARE NO BAD ETs because he realizes that we are ALL one family.... howEVER some of us are misdirected... are you one of them? Are you sure that you are not?
What difference does it make if you make a choice NOW, on you knees uncled to it!

I hope I've made some sense.. I wanted to write a paragraph or two from Voyagers I... as she posits this idea much more clearly than I do.

You must know who it is you are inviting... as it is the point that you DO the asking, the Invite! But you must know who it is you are dealing with, as there are those that are extremely desparate to survive and will do (with more limitations emotionally than your self but with more technology) whatever they must do to survive.

I cannot stress enough that we are ALL in this together, not just earth beings.... what is to come down soon involves much more than just we earthlings. Get OUT of your panic & fear and spend just about a week, geesh, a freaking week reading Ashayana Dean's work... take your time because your fear just restricts yourself... just a dazzling week of time.

I'm going ahead and sending this and will probably be a bit sorry for it, however, I just, at this point, don't care how I come off...
I CARE about all of you, the good and the bad... such an extraordinary time!

HeartFelts to EveryOne

Hi Moxie!

I find this thread rather hard to follow and so I missed your post for a while, I apologise for that. The problem is that the ordering in this 'multithread' is not in a time sequence, but in a nesting hierarchy. This nesting hierarchy is very good for a small number of 'subthreads' but becomes confusing if there are many such 'subthreads'.

But your comments are aligned with my understanding. I have interspersed here, because you have mentioned 'the giving our power away'. Yes, this is precisely why there cannot be an 'alien physical contact' and 'for all to see disclosure'.

The present state of human group-consciousness is 95% aligned with 'normal' 5-sense stimulatory reactivity.
And because in the 'cosmic scheme' the major consciousness interaction is from universe to galactic cell to starsystem to planet-moon to regionality to individuated sentience within that regionality; the 'alien' presence must follow the 'natural law' to 'communicate' through this structure of the conduits.

Iow, for 'alien physical contact' to occur, and as many already know, the 'mother consciousness' is required to align to the star consciousness and so forth.
Then the individual human intelligence is required to act as a data/information collector for the planetary consciousness relying information to the higher systems.

This is really omni-science and a physical implementation of the metaphysics but shows that the INABILITY of the human agendas to UNIFY (towards a minimum % of 0.002 or so 1 in 50,000), prevents the 'human groupmind' to act as a COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE.

Once there are enough humans, individualised in creativity and being YET UNIFIED in say PHILOSOPHY or (religion or science or some other form of deep inner understanding about themselves, origins, reality etc); THEN this 'STARMIND' will MIRROR in the GAIAN mothermind reflect to the SOLAR Mind reflect back to the galaxy and so on.

Most people have it back to front.
It is not what the aliens can give us, but what what we can give to them.
It is not that we ar3e waiting for them, it is them who are waiting for us.
To get the Story about ourselves right - in simplest terms.

But I better stop, as this kind of talk seems a little 'off topic'.
If you like Moxie, you can start a new thread someplace and we can talk about the details and of course with anyone else who would like to contribute.

Abraxasinas

Re: Bill Ryan's thread

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Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 211670)

You must know who it is you are inviting... as it is the point that you DO the asking, the Invite! But you must know who it is you are dealing with, as there are those that are extremely desparate to survive and will do (with more limitations emotionally than your self but with more technology) whatever they must do to survive.

I cannot stress enough that we are ALL in this together, not just earth beings.... what is to come down soon involves much more than just we earthlings. Get OUT of your panic & fear and spend just about a week, geesh, a freaking week reading Ashayana Dean's work... take your time because your fear just restricts yourself... just a dazzling week of time.

I'm going ahead and sending this and will probably be a bit sorry for it, however, I just, at this point, don't care how I come off...
I CARE about all of you, the good and the bad... such an extraordinary time!

HeartFelts to EveryOne

Very well said..and I very much agree :thumb_yello:

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Forgive me for posting on Bill's thread without posing a question to him but I didn't want HENNA'S post to go unacknowledged. Your thinking HENNA, on this issue, is pretty much in line with my thinking - sounds pretty level headed to me. :thumb_yello:

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Originally Posted by HENNA (Post 210940)

That is weird, I just got done reading the whole Wilcock ebook. Anyway, I am usually a fan of David's, some times things that he says raises a "mind flag" with me though. I have only read a couple things of Fulfords. His economic tales seem a bit wack..but that is just me.

As far as the Obama opinions, I would have to side with Fulford on this one. Something is just not right with David's story. He is fully defending (and is accusing anyone that doesn't agree of being a fear monger) a communist set of ideals and says that it is ok to do this because they are not one of the other 2 factions, so they must be good guys. I can't in good conscious stand behind socialist ideals because they coincide with a faction that might be behind a disclosure movement.
Does disclosure automatically give us free energy, peace on earth, no illness, no war, no pollution and a Kumbaya song for all? I am thinking the truth is what is right, disclosure is right, but it is not going to solve all our problems. Neither is Obama

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Agreed - I guess there is a remote possibility that he's a double agent working with the Great White Brotherhood and was sent in undercover to make the Elites think he is one of them and then he'll pull a whammy on them....but, naaah, probably not.:nono: Once again - forgive the intrusion into Bill's thread - I'll say no more.

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Originally Posted by powerviolence (Post 211650)

You ever think that both wilcock and fulford are probably wrong?

EDIT: And To further elaborate, isn't obama a proven skull & bones member? in other words, obama is a full blown illuminati member, which rules out ANY "white knight" scenario, which was absolutely ridiculous in the first place, obama was "elected" because the factions behind him decided to make it appear so, they portrayed mccain as a babbling outdated man and obama as a charismatic, ethnic, young sharp guy, remember these people are actors, that wasn't no coincidence. Does David Wilcock think that Obama somehow defeated both Rothschild and Rockefeller interestes? how? through the electoral process? you gotta be kidding me does Wilcock know anything?

Never in the history of mankind has a US president been some kind of radical white angel working from the inside, he was born and raised illuminati, he was trained for his role, he knows what's gonna happen, just like bush, just like all of them, they appear to be pawns, they are to some extent, but they will never, ever be, any type of positive force, they are all illuminati, they are all working for the same agenda.

And to top of that, we all know secret goverment is the real goverment, not the mainstream media white house/congress soap opera they feed people, you gotta be kidding me guys, ANYBODY who talks about obama like he's gonna make something happen or like he's a symbol of any importance is obviously uninformed in the workings of the US govt.

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Hi, i am new here.
After all the info put out and interviews done by Bill and Kerry, it has become quite clear that mankind is at a crucial junction for its future development. At the same time we are under massive influence and attack by the “dark” side in order to facilitate a particular outcome which for most of us is not desirable.
The workings of the “dark” powers are by most of us not well understood and definitely underestimated. I guess that just few of us were attacked, manipulated or influenced and came out of it unharmed and complete.
Because the playing – level of this “war for our souls” reaches far beyond the material world as we normally know it. We are not talking about weapons or jump-rooms, but about Mind Control, Spiritual Energies, Possession etc.
So how to make a difference? How to become spiritually stronger to stand up against the onslaught? Somehow we have to start, and believe me: Its a long way to go from here…
There is a saying: “Be the change you want to see”.
I think there is a lot of wisdom in it.
Or: “Don’t do to others, what you do not want to be done to yourself”.
What does it mean practically?
We are complaining that the Reptilians are eating human flesh. From their standpoint, why shouldn’t they? They are much more than we are in almost all aspects. Therefore they are regarding us as a resource – as livestock. Are they not having the same approach as we have towards “lower” animals? Additionally we are the only species on earth which is killing itself in Millions, either actively or inactively through hunger, untreated diseases etc. We don’t care for our own species, so why should they?
Eat and be eaten, that’s then the rule . An eye for an eye.
We are only complaining, because we are not at the top of the food-chain, and therefore we fear to be eaten. Don’t you think a cow would not be afraid, if it realizes that it ends up at the abattoir?
Have you heard that the “higher” spiritually developed, benevolent alien races are slaughtering “lower” animals and are eating them? I learned only about “Fruitarians”, drinking “liquid light” or direct energy assimilation.
So, for our (selfish) benefit, I want to make a strong case for becoming a vegetarian. In my opinion that’s one of the base stones for a strong spiritual development and protection. You don’t have to become member of any group or sect to start it. If you would really listen to your heart, then you would already be a vegetarian.
Before talking about how to gain psychic powers to fight the “dark” enemy, you should be sure about your personal moral stand. Power without love and compassion is extremly dangerous.
My opinion is: Develop your heart and LOVE first. Because in that field we are by far superior than the Reptilians and many other alien races. You can´t fight with a Reptilian by using weapons or psychic powers, because you are bound to loose. But what you can do is to respect and LOVE them.
Yes , I am serious: LOVE the Reptilians !
Because they can´t stand the high LOVE vibration and they will retreat and leave you alone (probably only for some time until they learned their lesson, because they are very stubborn).
That’s how to make a stand and keep the battle ground.
Start with yourself: Fight the temptation of the tongue and become a veggie. Then discuss within your friends and family. That’s to start making a difference.
Becoming a veggie is a first step to improved protection; because the more exposed you are, the more vicious the attacks. That’s not easy: Once they are hooked into you, your chances are diminished. Many are getting lead away into the dark, only to never resurface without help.
While I am not sure that Dr. Greer has been able to protect himself, I noticed that Bill and Kerry are seemingly doing well. And I don’t think that’s only because of the White Hat´s protective Psi-Ops.

So, my question to Bill:
"You briefly mentioned in the Freedom Central interview that you are doing some daily spiritual exercise.
Can you elaborate on that without creating a new sect?":winksmiley02:

.

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:cheerful_h4h::cheerful_h4h::cheerful_h4h::cheerfu l_h4h::cheerful_h4h:

i LOVE you people, and i LOVE PC/PA, and Bill & Kerry, and this thread! so much great info .... so many inspiring spirits .... such "inquiring minds"!!!

Bill -- this is my question -- do you think there are any defectors from the Reptilian overlords (Reptilian whistleblowers i guess) who would really like to help the "masses" of us to become awake/aware-enough re: the above-top-secret stuff (how we are being controlled/manipulated, off-planet bases and civilizations, free energy, etc.) that we can more consciously and deliberately as a race (human) strive to save our mother-earth and contribute to the well-being of our fellow travellers. In other words, is it possible for these entities ("royal reptilians") to empathize/sympathize with human beings enough to reject their own heritage to try to help us in a truly compassionate way??? would this be analagous to a human being who tries to help/save cattle from being used to advance our human agenda???

Thanks so much, bill & kerry, for sharing yourselves so generously. you are real heroes! May those of us who have come to respect your work and love your spirit follow your examples of courage, vision, and generosity. ya'll are Love Personified(at least on your best days!) Your friends and fans are MUCH blessed! :wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2:

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Hi there!
I've just stumbled upon a brand new video on youtube called "Jordan Maxwell exposed debunked" and it contradicts Jordan's statements one by one showing a lecture given by him. What do you make of that? Who's right? I kinda like Jordan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BApH6McCLoc

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Originally Posted by IMU (Post 213039)

Jordan really opened my eyes with his keen observations regarding symbols. A master at that. His website is very very good, I even showed some of my more "skeptical" type friends and they were extremely impressed.

Only, on a couple other things I totally disagree with JM.

Peace

Re: Bill Ryan's thread

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Originally Posted by Dougall (Post 213079)

All this spirituality and conscious raising stuff is silly.

Are you serious? :nono: ....surely your in the wrong place to be saying stuff like that....

Again this is BILL RYAN'S THREAD for questions and itelligent discussion.... not voice your oipion thread...

[Double post merged - A..]

Re: Bill Ryan's thread

Hello, Everyone:

This is a really quick message to say hello to all, and wish everyone a Happy New Year which contains everything you and we would all want for ourselves and the world.

I've been pretty much offline for the last week, and I'll continue to be offline until Sunday (2 Jan). After that I'll be able to return to this thread and will continue to answer questions and contribute as best I can. (Clearly I need to allocate several hours for this! And I'm looking forward to it.)

Most of you will have seen this already, but I do highly recommend this personal interview (done solo only because Kerry was not available) which represents most of my worldview and opinions pretty well - and is a very clear representation of everything Camelot stands for so far. Some of your questions may already be answered in it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ

Warmest regards to everyone - Bill

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Hi Bill. thanks for sending me the message that I accidently 'reported' a free energy topic when I actually meant to post a reply. Is there anyway that I can change my Avatar to say my old DoD security pass. So much of what is on Camelot fits my experience, not that I am a whistle blower becuase I was too low a Clearance to see what was really going on. But my life experience has showed that I was involved in the Dark side and worked for the dark side. The realisation that I was meant to experience all that I have experienced was always something that I have felft deep down but when I watched your latest video I was literally blown away as you were wording what my subconscious has often thought about during idle moments.

Finally my heart goes out to the whistle blowers who know the burden and carry the scars.

Re: Bill Ryan's thread

I have been doing something, on my own, since the 2nd day of this thread. I have kept a complete running copy of just Bill Ryan's posts, complete with all links, etc.

Quotes of posters referenced have links to those full posts. It's as complete as I can make it. My intent was to simply be able to read what Bill posted, without having to wade through 2-5 pages of off-topic stuff in-between.

All links lead, either back to this thread, or where Bill intended them to. There isn't even a single link leading to my own site.

I PM'd two mods, and Bill himself offering to do this, in advance. The responses I got were of the "no, don't delete it" and "please keep it up" variety; but I have never heard just what to do with it. So...

Working from the basic theory that "it's easier to get forgiven than to get permission" I am posting a link to a single page titled:

Bill Ryan's Thread - Filtered

It is complete, up to and including his post above(#560). Use it. Don't use it. Up to you.

Mods, if, at any time, someone wants this discontinued, please PM me, and delete this post, I will delete the page. Also, if you want to bring it "in house" that is fine also. The content belongs to Camelot. I don't want, nor make any such claim.

Fred

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Great work Fredkc - sure is a time saver and easier to read Bill's thread. Much appreciated.:original:

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That's a splendid idea. Thanks for doing the work that needed being done.

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Thanks Fredkc. I think it would work well to simply have one thread "Questions to Bill Ryan" where members could post their question.....

and another thread, "Bill Ryan's Answers"'; a closed thread where no one else could post at all. And since Bill includes the questions above his answers, it would be an uncluttered & complete Q & A.

Another idea (I know, no one asked for suggestions, but...) is to have all posted questions written in a certain color (I know I dream too much... lol)

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Originally Posted by Fredkc (Post 213500)

I have been doing something, on my own, since the 2nd day of this thread. I have kept a complete running copy of just Bill Ryan's posts, complete with all links, etc.

I also felt the need to check just for Bill's replies. You did a great job, but I should tell you that this forum already provides for the need to see one member's posts in a thread. To know how to do this for any thread and member, I explained the feature there and how I got the link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...668#post213668

If you just want the link, bookmark this to get Bill's replies here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/searc...threadid=17977

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Another idea (I know, no one asked for suggestions, but...) is to have all posted questions written in a certain color (I know I dream too much... lol)

And, it appears, you dream in technicolor. ;)

Cheap joke... had 2 be done.

Fred.

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Originally Posted by Fredkc (Post 213500)

Mods, if, at any time, someone wants this discontinued, please PM me, and delete this post, I will delete the page. Also, if you want to bring it "in house" that is fine also. The content belongs to Camelot. I don't want, nor make any such claim.

Fred

Hi Fred,

From a personal and moderator point of view I think this is a wonderful idea. Today is the first chance I had to look at the link - I like that all the messages are open and I can just scroll up and down the page. I see no problem with continuing this just like it is. Much appreciated - by me at least!

Many Blessings,
Karen

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Originally Posted by Fredkc (Post 213500)

Bill Ryan's Thread - Filtered

:thumb_yello:

Are you doing this by hand or is it scripted? If scripted then let me know and we may be able to get this fed onto the forum somehow.

PM me actually.

A..

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id like to say something briefly.

Dane Tops, like so many other 'whistleblowers' on this site, does not give his real name. Bill and others make great claims about how fantastic L Ron Hubbards work is.

I am not here to be confrontational, but i am genuinely concerned about this.

They tell you all the bad things that have been said about him are a smear campaign, yet this is being said by faceless and nameless people on a forum over the internet. (excluding Bill) why is it that i should believe this? Why should anyone?

You can, btw, do some real research, ie, look up his court case files when he was sued by Jack Parsons and ordered to pay him back over 20 thousand dollars (though only paid him about 1000 of it) that is a *fact* that can be *proven* in the records.

His wives and son wrote a *book* about his selfishness, at a time when they faced great opposition, and would have benefited much more so from a monetary not to mention safety standpoint if they had wrote a book saying what a swell guy he was.

It is my opinion that he was at best an exceptionally selfish man, lost in his own fantasy world, more concerned with fame, fortune and self glorification than he ever was about anyone else.

I have said i may be wrong, so i submit this with all due respect, do not take mine or anyone's word for it.

All this talk talk talk and you know what, i could say alot of whatever i felt like too, if i were an anonymous person on the internet hiding behind a pseudonym im sure it would be easy to say alot of whatever i felt like.

I now have great doubts about the validity of Project Camelot, either it is purposeful disinformation, (which is the far worse and unforgiveable possibility) or else a case of being lost in the labyrinth. I tend to believe the second one more so at this point, as Kerri and Bill seem sincere, which if the case, i wish you (Bill) and Kerri the best.

Do the research people. That is all i am suggesting. Beyond that, if you wish to, in my opinion only of course, remain in ignorance and be lead down this path where Ron Hubbard is some kind of great, heroic guy (?!?!?!?!) then go ahead, i gladly wash my hands of this whole business, hey, do whatever you feel you need to. We all have the freedom of choice, right?

IMO, the truth is within you. Everything is as it should be. All that we can do is submit to the divine plan, which is moving right along with or without your belief or acceptance.

There is no force on earth or in this universe that can cause harm to your Spirit, it is up to each of us, alone to decide from a moral and ethical standpoint what we will do and what choices we will make. Stop looking for the bad guy out there. We are all given the karmic lessons we need in order to learn at the very time we need them. Forget about all the conjecture and conspiracy. Come from the heart with absolute sincereity, gratitude, humility, and trust and YOU CANNOT GO WRONG. EVER.

I apologize, i realize this is not a question, i will no longer be posting on these forums, my peace has been said, you may if you wish, breathe a sigh of relief on that account.

P.E.A.C.E.

OneLove~*

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Yes I think Bill goes way overboard constantly talking about Ron L Hubby. Seriously whats that all about???

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Originally Posted by Bill Ryan (Post 213263)

Hey bill.
Hope you and Kerry are haveing a great holiday.
I'm sure your already aware of this, but i want to tell you.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VST2KKIYn50 ;)

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Originally Posted by Boober (Post 213855)

Yes I think Bill goes way overboard constantly talking about Ron L Hubby. Seriously whats that all about???

The fact that he was being almost rabidly vilified made me want to take a closer look at him and his work: the morphogenetic field rejects higher truths has been my observation. It was a case of "methinks they doth protest too much, hmmmmm".

His early work contributes to my spiritual awakening and understanding and is equivalent to the Bodhi path that Buddha taught his students.

There are other methods, but Buddha's bodhi path is simple and sure and brings wisdom and response-ability. Right now I am specifically talking about the method R3X, which I rely upon for attaining the abilities Buddha delineated. This R3X method came out of early writings of Hubbard. It would be a bit crass of me not to appreciate the work he did that is directly contributing to my very efficient and fast Bodhi path. It might have taken me 5 times as long without his further elucidation and exact processes for achieving the level of spiritual awakedness I have over the past two years.

The Excalibur processes developed by ex-church members and with auditors putting in hundreds of hours contributes to the rising consciousness on this planet. I am starting to be able to see that in my own clearing work.

The fact that the people you mentioned wrote defamatory books about him is inconsequential to me because I am not into cult of personality. The same with Dane Tops wanting to exonerate Hubbard. It is inconsequential to me.

I have no need to put Hubbard up or down, nor defend him in order to gain spiritual awareness from his writings. For example, Aleister Crowley had a quite perverted lifestyle but he sure was a good teacher and wrote a very good article on the practice of Yoga. I can read his article without any further association with him.

Perhaps that helps you understand why a good person like Bill Ryan can benefit from another person's research and compilations. In this case, Hubbard.

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[QUOTE=Gnosis5;214616],,,,,,,
His early work contributes to my spiritual awakening and understanding and is equivalent to the Bodhi path that Buddha taught his students.

This R3X method came out of early writings of Hubbard. It would be a bit crass of me not to appreciate the work he did that is directly contributing to my very efficient and fast Bodhi path. It might have taken me 5 times as long without his further elucidation and exact processes for achieving the level of spiritual awakedness I have over the past two years.

The Excalibur processes developed by ex-church members and with auditors putting in hundreds of hours contributes to the rising consciousness on this planet. I am starting to be able to see that in my own clearing work....

end of quote.

Hello folks, and Bill....

It's been sometime since I posted on Avalon, and reading through some of this thread today I am reminded how there are many teachers to challenge and facilitate our personal and spiritual growth. Some will resonate more with one than another. I liked what you shared about your own path Gnosis5, amd found myself resonating with your words. I find it quite interesting that such strong 'antipathy' appears to be generated with regard to some. My inclination would be to look at a little deeper at why I was feeling so suspicious, if that was the case.

It seems to me different processes are born from many schools of research, and many bear similarities. At the end of the day if a process helps me with my "clearing work", I welcome it!

Blessings to all of you, Angel :)