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back it up..

ok fair enough .

May i ask though to clarify what you mean as proof? Do you wish to see documentation? A presentation on my point of view?


i also ask if you , Anchor , could respond to me in private..

firstly ..i feel vulnerable, when i expose my points of view to publicly..and secondly, i am tired of hijacking abraxas's thread and being the focus of peoples anger.

i have no issue with criticism, i actually thrive on it..i want to know more and learn to ...understand this and other points of view.

Yes i agree Lionhawk should start his own thread.

i also want to encourage abraxas to read and comment on other peoples threads...You may learn something about us, that could surprise you abraxas.

i know this thread takes up a lot of your time, but there is so much more to PA , then just your soapbox...

in hopes to hear from you soon Anchor...

*celine steps off the soap box and goes back to her flowers*

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I cannot speak for other members but a lot of Abrax's posts are exceedingly difficult for me to even try to work out. I don't think I have got a high enough IQ to even try to put his posts into something I can understand.

The crux of the matter is I am trying to figure out where he is coming from and just when I think I could be, I read another of his posts and I am back to square one.

If he could put it in simple words for me to understand exactly What the Thuban Council is, what they are trying to say and how that can help me or other people on their journey I would be very appreciative of it.

You know I will say it, if I could get it in laymen's terms it would be helpful to me. I seem to going round and round in circles getting nowhere, sometimes plain and simple for a lot of us would be a big help.

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There is no shame in this. I dont think many people understand everything that is said on this thread (ie: said by abraxasinas or for that matter many others posting here).

One of the core themes is that you know all this stuff already and there is a sort of tuning process going on.

If I sense this correctly, Abraxasinas, as the Thuban representative Sirebard Beardris, is operating here under the maxim of non infringement of freewill. One of us (it doesnt matter who) has to ask questions -thus giving "permission" for triggered data releases to be encoded here in our language for us all to read.

Each of us, in addition to the original questioner is entirely allowed, at thier own option to accept or reject any such data.

It is entirely possible that for the moment, many of us may not be able to tune to the essence of the data and its wider meaning. Thats ok. It doesnt matter. There is plenty of other things to see and do :)

One can be illuminated by a passage of an otherwise obsure text in much the same way as a butterfly can land on you and then fly off again, and in doing so start a cascade of thoughts leading you to an important conclusion. Inspiration comes in many ways - one of them, for some, are a few of the posts on this forum and by extention this thread.

The notion that any of the above is in someway malevolent or evil is, in my opinion, a fear based reaction. This reaction is based on a misunderstanding or, or mistuning to what is being said and some projections based on life experience and the natural distortions that we as humans are working our way through at this time.

It is all ok.

A..

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Celine,

Sorry, my comment was not aimed at you specifically. It was a mistake for me to comment your post in this way - I was not singling you out and I am sorry I posted that way, it was an error.

Everyone,

I am not asking for proof - I did not use that word. I just wanted to see more than innuendo and would like specific examples of things or characterstics that people are seeing on this thread that would/could cause harm or be "negative" - or be an "abomination to what PA stands for".

I am very aware that there are people (members and moderators alike) on this forum that do not like the influence that abraxasinas's thread has commanded over an area of the forum; or the perceived message/agenda contained in this thread. Personally my suggestion would be to fight fire with fire in this regard, simply come up with something equally popular and thought provoking.

I am especially interested in why people feel it right to choose what should or should not be permitted in the attempt at answering legitimate questions posed on the forum - which contains within its purpose debate and understanding of humanities future spiritual and energetic evolution.

Many have dismissed abraxasinas's information and I fully delight in the freewill that allows this, many have not - and it cuts both ways. I for one, without exercising any admin/moderator bias, find abraxasinas's posts interesting, and I fail to see any harm coming from them.

Lionhawk has posted an equally interesting series of messages that I find are somewhat confrontational in nature but are done in a considered way that does not damage or at this point attack or cause harm (thus they stand).

It is clear that Lionhawk's repositories of information are deeper than average and I would like to see more come from that (please!) - maybe on a different thread.

I don't see it, which is why I am asking for it to be spelled out. In what way is there a risk of dishonor? (A serious question for a serious accusation)

Personally all this talk of changing the forum guidelines in a way that would not permit this kind of thread is not fair, nor (in my view) substantially accurate.

A..

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Speaking of serious accusations... I think it's time to take a couple of deep breaths...

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abraxasinas...I haven't been following this thread...due to it's difficulty, complexity, and obscurity. I have wished to take a couple of days to focus on it exclusively. The time may have arrived for me to do so. I wish to see both the forrest and the trees. Thank-you for taking so much of your time to answer everyone's questions. Forgive me if a lot of the following questions have already been asked. To me...taking a long, hard look at Solar System Governance (SSG) is the key to extricating ourselves from this mess. This includes looking at who controls DUMB and Secret Space Program activities throughout the Solar System. It includes an honest and penetrating look at Theology and Theocracy. It includes why we are here...and how we got here...and any major ancient or contemporary binding deals which were cut with Human or Non-Human Races. There may be some deals and situations which have existed for thousands (or millions?) of years...which may be nearly impossible to get out of. If we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...what are our options...exactly? Are various Earth Nations in league with various competing Alien Nations? Who really and truly are the three major factions in this Solar System? We need to look at the very deep and hidden underlying factors, factions, and individuals who really determine what goes down in this Solar System. Who really writes the scripts. Someone does. I keep feeling that we are running out of time...and that we are actually living on borrowed time. I feel that we should beware of Cornered Megalomaniacs. If we push their buttons...they might push some very nasty buttons. The answer...my friend...may be deep beneath the Western United States...and the United States of America may have very little to do with it. Is the Subterranean United States really Babylon?

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the Annunaki? With Nibiru? With Aldebaran? With Sirius A? With Sirius B? With the Pleiades? With Andromeda? With Interdimensional Reptilians? With the Greys? With ET Humans?

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Zionism? Teutonic Zionism? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the United Nations? The Vatican? The City of London? Washington D.C.?

What are the ten most important binding documents, agreements, covenants, and treaties in the Solar System?

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?

Who are the Founders or the Ancients? Where are they? Who are they loyal to? Who is loyal to them?

Are the exotic 'Secret' Technologies and Nuclear Weapons Really Ancient Human Technologies?

Are the 'thus saith the Lord' statements in the Old Testament really Reptilian statements?

What is the true nature of Original Sin and the War in Heaven?

Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This Solar System?

Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This World?

Who owns and operates the Solar System?

Who is Babylon in modernity?

Who owns Humanity?

:original:Namaste:original:

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I cannot spell it out more than I already have in the past.
I am very intuitive and when this person first posted here many will remember my reaction.
I stand by it. I know evil when i sense it.
I am not in a position to do what should be done so I watch and wait.
It is, a matter of time.
I just hope the damage is repairable

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Excerpt from post #75 on thread: What was Jesus then?

Originally Posted by Providence http://projectavalon.net/forum/image...s/viewpost.gif

One very powerful statement made in the Secret Gospel of Thomas which truly resonated with me is this:


"Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all".

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension

I read a fair amount of Elaine Pagels work and I have just purchased a book called The Third Jesus by Depak Chopra.

A note on Christianity... as others have said.. the parallels between Christianity and Mithraism are uncanny. And why shouldn't they be? Mithraism was one of the competing (and popular) belief systems when Christianity was in its infancy. The virgin birth was but one of the many cross-pollinating ideas between the two religions. All completely fascinating.

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension



Richard T. replied:

He will be disturbed because he will realize that everything he had based his evaluation of reality will dissipate, because he will meet himself at the other hand of the tunnel and realize that who he meets is more real than who he was. His beliefs will be annihilated. He will be astonished because he will find reality to be greater than what he could have imagined, because he will have access to the mysteries, to everything that was hidden, and he will rule because it is through him that what he will have found will rule. All will be ruled, even the hierarchies who work under the laws of domination and who used those laws to render humanity insignificant, limiting it to beliefs and refusing it the right to know.

All churches, all religions have recuperated the coming of the Nazareen, of the avatar of Pisces, to bend his words to their own advantage and power. All religions have been used within a sphere of comprehension that was limited to beliefs. None have ever really explained, none have ever really unveiled what was behind the words. The words were used as shields against the spirit they carried.

So that today, those who believe are left with a caricature that they try and imitate.

The problem is that people don't read by vibration. They study the form and the vibration is replaced with the cultural value of the words, which of course is different according to the diverse transcriptions and translations, to languages that were created within the limited scope of experimental consciousness based on ignorance and manufactured concepts that in turn were used to steer the destiny of nations at the expense of the individuals. So, the spirit of the letter was lost and today people adore the letter as an icon.

Abraxasinas comments:

Indeed, this passage in the Gospel of Thomas is the most profound statement ever made by any sentience at any time in the universe.
This saying did NOT derive from a human or ET mind, but stems from the Cosmic Logos of Creation.

Anyone understanding this particular saying through a thinking heart and a feeling mind would become enabled to translate the 'hidden meanings' of Jesus' words in the New Testament and so become familiar with his mission as this Logos of the Universe.

The 'trouble' with the interpretation of Providence is, that heshe assimilated hisher own attempt of decipherment with the 'expertise' of others, such as Elaine Pagels or some theological-historical academic authority or some other 'expert' like Deepak Chopra.
Iow, the attempt of decipherment becomes an exercise in second-handedness.

It is ok to do so, but the final illumination cannot be found anywhere, but the World Logos of Jesus itself and in communication with the individual Logos of the discerner.

The archetypes of Christianity originate from the same source as the symbols of all other religious philosophies like Mithraism, Zoroasterism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam.
So a convergence of the mythologies is to be expected.

The 'trouble' with Richard T.'s response is, that he misunderstands the function of vibrational discernment with respect to the processor of this vibration, namely the aformentioned coupling between a thinking heart and a feeling mind (to use one form of labeling).

The vibrational energy of the saying is omnipresent and for anyone to 'tune into'.
But this vibrational energy must be PROCESSED by the receiver and if the processor experiences interference from ingrained mindsets, tunnel vision or natural biases as part of individuated worldviews, then the 'vibration' will be filtered by the processor in a personal and egocentric manner.

Then, and as is the case in Richard T.'s reply, the actual 'Purity of Form' relayed by the archetype cannot be discerned in its most elementary function.

As a consequence, Richard T.'s first paragraph circumvents the core meaning of the saying.

"Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all".

"He will be disturbed because he will realize that everything he had based his evaluation of reality will dissipate, because he will meet himself at the other hand of the tunnel and realize that who he meets is more real than who he was. His beliefs will be annihilated. He will be astonished because he will find reality to be greater than what he could have imagined, because he will have access to the mysteries, to everything that was hidden, and he will rule because it is through him that what he will have found will rule. All will be ruled, even the hierarchies who work under the laws of domination and who used those laws to render humanity insignificant, limiting it to beliefs and refusing it the right to know."

When one finds (the actual PHYSICAL presence of God within), then the heart-mind (or feeling-intellect) realisation of this as a fact, will OPEN a Channel to the Universal Logos.
Metaphorically, the 'thinking heart' of the receiver/finder will RESONATE with that of the Cosmic Christ via a mental attunement of the so labeled 'feeling mind'.
This 'proves' that the saying cannot be understood by the mind, unless the communication between the Individual Logos and the Christ Logos is pure in resonance.
This process so requires the RECEPTOR MIND of the Finder to reflect the processed information back to the EMITTER MIND and EMITTER HEART of the Source through the EMITTER HEART of the Finder.

The disturbance (in the mind) eventuates, because suddenly the switching of polarity between mind receiver and heart emitter allows the seeker/finder to be omnipresent and to suddenly appear to accomodate a multiplied personality.

In practical terms, one is enabled to BE the environment, to BE the ant crawling on the wall or the dog one takes for a walk in the park.

The astonishment derives from this as a consequence of becoming a hologram of the creation. The environment becomes miniaturized within the seeker/finder and so nothing exists except yourself and then of course you RULE OVER YOURSELF as the Creator-Creation of All That Is.

This 'rulership' so is not a Lordship over anything else in existence; but in actuality defines the plan of plans of using a protoverse as a seedling universe for many universes to be born from.
This protoverse is hierarchical in environmental nestings; say your garden graduating to your park, township, city, country, planet, starsystem, galaxy, groupgalaxy, supercluster, universe.

The seekers/finders so become inaugurated as such multiversal seeds of the archetyped protoverse defining the Creation-Seed before the thing (Physical Godhood) is found by the seeker.

AA

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All is Ok - the Council of Thuban and I agree and the below is YOUR STORY and reason for BEING Here at this point in timespace.

WE BECOMING - The Story of a Gnostic Charm of a Pearl of Wisdom

Once upon a time, I lived in the land of my father and my mother and my brother.
Because I was so young and inexperienced, I had to go into a foreign land of great
perils, dangers and temptations - to learn many things and also to help my parents.

My dear father had lost a precious pearl there a long time ago, when he was visiting that foreign land to court and marry my mother.
Yet my father knew that he would lose his most dearest treasure in meeting my
mother.

Alas, he was so lonely in his castle and he wanted children and no fair maiden
could be found anywhere in his kingdom.
So my dear father sacrificed his pearl for a family and sent his sons and daughters to
retrieve it for him when the appropriate time had come.

My dear brother, being next in rank, came into the perilous land to meet the serpent-
king who had found my father's pearl and who guarded it very jealously.
My brother was however the result of my father's loss and so after becoming our
parent's pride and joy, he had to return to the kingdom without our father's precious
pearl.

Many years did pass , but when the time was right, our parents desired to regain
their common treasure, the pearl my father had used to love my mother and to beget
their firstborn son; and I was asked to go and see what I could do.
Before I left the kingdom, my parents gave me a thing to take , nothing really, but
yet a heavy burden because of its lightness; it was so light I could carry it all by
myself.
But my wonderfully fitting clothes I left behind, when I set out to search for my
parent's lost treasure.

And so I parted from my guides as soon as I had entered the perilous land of the
dragon and proceeded to do the solitary work my parents had sent me to do.
I was a stranger to all the people except one after my own kind, an inheritor of the
ancient crafts and wisdom and a daughter of the kings and queens of old.
Her I trusted and she and I agreed on taking care of each other in the dangers we
would be facing from the many monsters and dwellers in the serpent's land.

For that purpose I put on my unclean clothes, so as not to arouse suspicion towards
myself.
But they cunningly found out to themselves that I had come from a foreign land; they
beguiled me and I forgot my work and my heart fell asleep as I served their dragon
king.

But the love of my parents and the memories of my past were written in my heart,
so that I would not forget what I had come to do when I had left my king and queen.
My parents got deeply concerned about my sleeping my time away and it was
decreed, at the gates of our kingdom, that a message should be sent to me.

The letter was signed by my father who wished for me to think of him, and by my
mother who had waved me good-bye and had asked for my love; and by my brother
who craved to help me in my work.

The message I received came by way of an eagle, the emblem of my brother's
testimony regarding the honour, the grace and the beauty of our mother.
And just before my brother did return from his birthplace, did he ask me to provide for
our mother and to look after her many inheritances.

And so the same right hand of my father which had the power to seal and which he
had used to court my mother, this same hand had sealed the message for me in a
strange melody of song and speech.

I awoke to this wondrous happening; I kissed the messenger and I fell in love.
And my love remembered my heart and the broken seal revealed the way to fulfil my
mission of retrieving my dear father's lost pearl.

And so I used my magic to enchant the terrible and snorting serpent.
The charming thoughts of my unsealing lulled the dragon to sleep when my father's
name became the serpent's name and my brother's name moved a little and my
mother's name was joined to the name of the next in rank.

And so did I take my dear father's lost treasure from the dragon who snorts and
who bites his very own tail.
I took off my unclean clothes from that foreign country and proceeded on my mending
journey back home towards the east.
My unsealed letter remained next to me, like a Beloved and guided all my ways.

When I had arrived home, I put on my beautifully fitting garments, which I had left
behind and in the care of minders and I suddenly realised the unity and altogetherness
of my very own self.
Two could be apart, each with its own burden, and yet two could be together as one
in two and two in one.
And my clothes were moving with the wisdom and the words of all in one and one in
all and I perceived the acts of my upbringing in my father's house to relate to my own
growing selfhood.

And my love had urged me on to meet the minders of my garments and I relished
the beauty of their colours and the royal splendour of the movements of the him in
her and the insights of the she in him.

Then I ascended to the gate of my dear father's great love and adoring her, heshe
received us joyfully in herhis queendom and our dear Father was so happy, that we
had brought our precious pearl to our Mother.

Greetings and Love from the Shalom in Exile!

John of Patmos
　

AA

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I think this is all a parade, and some may be enticed to call me "rain" after reading this post. Correction, I know it is a parade indeed…..

When this thread was first posted, I took issue immediately because it reminded me of others such as Hidden Hand. However, we all have the right of expressing in whatever way we choose, but I believe we all are missing what should be seen here. I've tried things like this before, but sometimes you can't show people what they choose not to see.

All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

Why?

Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions? By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence.

Most of you viewing this thread, will not feel or be any closer to any answer or understanding in general, after reading and asking questions on this thread. What’s does that tell you? *Distraction would be a good start.

Ultimately, if there is a grand message to be delivered to humanity, it will simply be delivered, and not become a Q&A session through posters on a forum whom you cannot see or hear.
This also applies to the Hidden Hand material. First HH told everyone what the rules would be before they proceeded. Unfortunately, many blindly “obeyed”. Secondly, HH stated that they were allowed to communicate (per the royal bloodlines/illumined elders, etc) information to us. We should have then immediately allowed HH to communicate the information. Period. Instead of being told and then agreeing through cooperation to the premise of “I can only tell you what you ask me”. Again, the answer can be what they want you to receive, but it could never be the truth from A-Z or the centuries old Illuminati gig would be up. Get it?

So,…Why allow these messengers the time? Distractions indeed.
Please step out of this gullible and slave mindset, and understand that if there is to truly be a pure messenger for the better good of all of humanity, it will not be in such a fragmented format and from individuals whom you don’t know, and can’t confirm. To be honest, it could be someone whom is simply VERY informed on what they believe and studied, therefore being able to hold a Q&A with you. However, again, we have to pause and notice that it is in actuality -WHAT THEY BELIEVE- (or what they want YOU to believe). We all know what that means very well, don’t we?...Another belief system is born and amongst us to ponder. Please......Do not participate with anything that upholds conflicting and confusing information/messages or agendas. For it will simply cause you to pause and miss what you should really be paying attention to.

I shared this in a post a while back, which I think applies here as well... Do you really think they are staying out of sight for centuries to not impede on our free will, but yet hit us with message and messenger after message and messenger? Please, enough with this hoax and those whom are acquaintances of such efforts. Yes, as I’ve said this before, there are some whom job is to support such nonsense to give it life and credibility on these forums. You have to really look to know what’s going on.

Stop letting outsiders hold court in your kingdoms.

We all choose our paths to focus our intent, but I would like to strongly encourage you to null and void these sporadic "approved messengers and messages" that just so happens to be sprouting up now, oppose to years ago when it would have allowed humanity the time to digest and evolve from messages intended to provoke the greatest good for all.

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*smiles as the light grows bright *

Oh thank You...my feelings are so hard sometimes to translate to words...i am humbled and honored to share this world with people like you gscraig...thank You


*celine points to the quoted comment and says to Anchor...that is why*

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Referencing some of the side discussion, and without meaning to hold this thread off topic, there are some underlying energetic plays working themselves out here and pretty much everywhere that people doing something towards aiding themselves and others in this shift are interacting to compare notes.

I don't know of a single truthful individual who would say they weren't having a struggle to integrate the changes they are co-creating.

The illusory interface between us has been dissolving. We used to have a much easier time hiding differences than we do now. We each create our own reality, and when we agree with one another, (by frequency matching) we form collectives where co-action and co-creation occur, exactly as planned.

But many of our "agreements" are now under review, because we can no longer really use the mental trick of cognitive dissonance to blend the perceived but overlooked differences. We are being required to move towards personal honesty and integrity, and we set it up that way. The illusions are dissolving and we are why that is happening.

A big example of this phenomenon on this forum is in the differences between those who have recognized the "internal" nature of all struggles, and those who still try to hold them "outside" of themselves. Those who've done their work, (as opposed to those who think they have) can clearly trace every perceived external struggle, contest, conflict, flare up, etc, to a personal internal issue, as it's total source. You can not even perceive let alone fully experience what you are not the vibration of. You see a battle in heaven going on? Right now and right here? Well then you have your own battle integrating your selected "sides" back into a harmonious whole, at the level of your own divine self.

If you are off chasing old demons, as though they are some external beasts which have an agenda of their own which can be in opposition to your own self and your own wishes, then you have simply not recognized how cleverly you have avoided bringing your process home to where it belongs. Every such struggle is only, and can only ever be within you. What messes you up in your attempt to rectify this, is that the law of attraction actually works. If you have failed to calm your internal struggles, they will manifest, because that is the loudest "order to the universe" that you are broadcasting.

The illusions we created, with lots of help and co-operation, have been nearly complete in their apparent authenticity. We did a good job of tricking ourselves into believing these constructions were real. What's real is you and I. That's all. You and I are real, the rest is illusion.

The illusion is now dissolving. The veil is dissolving, and we are left here with the illusory mechanisms chugging away, like the wizard behind the curtain, and we can see through the illusions we placed to enable blending of differing points of view and perspectives.

Think of it this way. Let's say these illusions and their supporting mechanisms were analogous to "manners" and "etiquette" in our social interactions. The manners and etiquette Grease the wheels of our interactions, and permit us to forego the brutal honesty which would otherwise be sitting right there. We say "don't you look good today" while thinking "cake has been very good to you". Or whatever. You know what I mean. Manners smooth social interaction so we can pretend what's really going on behind the scenes, isn't.

Well to continue the analogy, let's say people could suddenly no longer ignore the true intentions and feelings of people using "manners". What would that be like? The grease would no longer smooth the way, and social interactions would become strained.

In a broader sense, this is what is happening in our broader co-inhabited/co-created environment. We've been able to blend the differences between our varying perspectives and viewpoints and orientations and chosen styles of play, into a homogenized illusory mix which was satisfying.

Now it's more like "hey...you're wrong about that. That's not the way it is at all. You're full of it." "You're dropping cow poop, while my magnificent self wields this gleaming sword of righteousness!"

The thing of it is, that every one of us has been creating our own illusions as the cloak of our game piece in this grand play we've been engaged in. Now, we've collectively decided that this game was lots of fun, but is pretty much in the 'been there...done that' box. So we decided to ease ourselves out of it and create a new one. But as the veil disappears, all or our formerly homogenized realities, are no longer blended and we're being forced, by our own decisions and actions, to drop the illusions and wake up to who we truly are.

The polarity in play is internal/external. One is the way of return to self determination as a creator, they other is to fully embrace the victim consciousness, and finally go for the all out battle to end all battles, or whatever name it's being called these days. You either see that it's your creation, or you see some agency outside of yourself is doing the creating, and you are part of the creation and were at some point created. This one is a tough one, because it traces all the way up the line. ALL the way up the line. Which is why it'll be the last one resolved, if it even is in this round of play. It could be that this is the source of the split in timelines many have noticed recently. It could be that some number wish to continue with the illusion that "outside" can impact "inside", and those of us who are truly moving on, will simply create a new playpen somewhere else, and at a different frequency range, where the polarities are not a factor as dissonant or disharmonious elements in the game.

So the observant can see a couple of fairly broad groups which on the surface appear opposed, but in reality are simply approaching their play from opposite ends of the spectrum. We created this place for contrast. And we have full choice and freedom to place ourselves anywhere within that contrast. Those of us who are fulfilled and satisfied with our experiences in contrast, are moving out of them, which necessarily involves recognizing our part in the creation of the play in the first part. If some choose to dally, that is their choice to make. No one can judge another for their choices. Because that is just judgement of ourself for when we made the same choice and weren't particularly happy with the outcome.

The major difference is in whether one has recognized them self as the creator of their reality, or whether they choose to hold onto the "been done to and going to continue to be done to" attitude of the victim.

The loudest voices advocating battling the forces of evil, are actually the terrified little children who've been handed their heads to them once too often in this "OH SO SERIOUS" game of contrast in polarity.

As to Thuban? I don't know yet. I've confirmed the existence of Thuban with my higher guides. But so far don't know how this all lines up. I get mixed signals, personally. Those I have contact with, which I'm satisfied are here for my highest good, repeat often that no being from their level of existence will come and tell us how it's going to be. They uniformly and without exception, maintain our sovereign right to choose without limitations imposed from without, with the only governor being we must also respect the choices of all others. So I don't personally allow that any group is going to come in and give or grant us anything. They can come and participate with us as long as they respect us as equals. otherwise... there's the door, thank you very much.

I see higher truths shining through the Thuban material, but it's just so seemingly difficult to contact. As though it's truly foreign or alien. But that doesn't make it good or bad, right or wrong, or any other polarized thing. It just means it's new here. So I won't judge, unless or until my personal criteria are violated. Which is free choice for us, without limit.

I have personal recent experience with true "Dragon" Consciousness, and things have changed from the days of old. I came upon it quite circuitously, and prior to Thuban's arrival on this forum. I suggest setting aside judgement based on old and dried up archetypes of Dragons as enslaving lizards with an imperialist bent. Much has changed. Where it reminds some of how it used to be, it is simply remembrance mixed with projection.

We are free to move forward by our own choice. outside interference is not a factor. We have the eyes of all of existence on us right now. Any major power plays and interference is coming from our midst. It's not coming from without. That's a projection from that place of victimhood. Humans are the ones trying to steer the outcome this way or that. The ET's who are involved here, are all in some way related to us consciously/genetically and are permitted to work their own agenda's as we are part of them or they are part of us or however you want to look at it. Soul level agreements govern their interactions with us. And we will more fully see that as the veil dissolves the rest of the way, over the next while. The process is being driven along at an often uncomfortable pace, because certain clearings must have taken place amongst a certain balancing proportion of the beings incarnated here on earth. We ourselves provided for friends who would not be drawing a veil of forgetfulness around themselves, to come here at this time to act as alarm clock and gently shake us out of our illusory slumber. We asked them to do this service, because we knew we wouldn't remember. So here they are, channeling through those who arranged to carry out that function in prior agreements, with news of the arrival of the time we preset for our wake up call, and reminders of who we are apart from the illusory cling-ons of artifacts from our 3D playing.

If you believe there is a huge all important battle taking place, great. Have fun with that. The outcome is the same, no matter what path you select in your personal journey. But if you don't think there is any big battle going on, then for you there isn't. Just don't buy into the propaganda that you're in grave danger if you ignore their game. That's just B.S. THEY are in danger if THEY ignore it, because that is the game they are playing. But we all have choice now, and You can simply choose a peaceful, lovely, calm, embracing ascension into your next selected realm of existence for your primary seat of consciousness, and the noise from this distant battle will be like a nearly remembered dream.

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An excellent summary of the present planetary (and universal) situation experienced by the cosmic consciousness myplanet2.
Thanks for this reply and I shall colour in your fully integrated description in due time.

Also allow me to thank you for your publicity in regards to the reality of the Thuban sources.

Abraxas

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Thank-you for your answers abraxasinas. You are speaking a language which I have yet to learn. I keep thinking...if you can't convince them...confuse them...and in their ignorance...bind them. Just my feeling. I'm very paranoid and disillusioned. I trust no one. So far...in my whole life...I have found no one who has honestly answered my questions...in my language. I end up talking to myself...and answering my own questions. I am my own best friend...and my own worst enemy. I have found no one who I truly identify with. My search continues...but I doubt that it will ever be successful. Nearly seven billion people...and no soul-mate. I often think that I'm not from around here. Maybe I really am from Pleon. Sorry for the rant. No more questions. Actually...I see eye to eye with Buxtehude, Bach, Widor, Vierne, Dupre, Franck, Durufle, Cochereau, Roth, Choplin...and Mother Nature. All else is folly. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKImiR7a4zw 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UE-Z...om=PL&index=34 (I used to be able to play this one!) 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqbe...eature=related 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4kn...eature=related 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XSH...eature=related 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLnTm...eature=related I guess music is the universal language. Perhaps music is the true basis of ecumenism. Hmmmmmm. Again...thank-you abraxasinas. I am now beginning a complete read of this thread. You are very different...and I respect that. I sense that this thread is partially to help you transition from isolation to communication and fellowship. Just a guess. I sense that you may have been 'above it all' for a very long time...and that it is therapeutic to converse with us 'common folk'...and I am not being sarcastic. I appreciate what you are doing.

:tears:Namaste:sad:

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My Planet2,

If I may?....
In a straight forward way, I sometimes will choose to share my opinion on topics that reminds of "me" of clutter at a time when clarity is desired by all. It is up to you to agree or disagree. Nothing more or less.
Sometimes building a community will require the difficulty of discarding tools that does not erect a new foundation. Even when the tool feels comfortable in the hands.


Okay, so let's say we continue on and obviously by our choosing, await the next message and messenger. This time it is the Coral Reef Group from the 8th dimension thread, and then the next message and Q&A is the channeler for the Federation of Enoch thread, and then the next is the Brotherhood of the Blue Galaxies thread. When it's all done and said, you will be close to where you are right now. That makes us stagnant with a huge amount of information to ponder, but yet that does not equate to creating or co-creating a new anything, yet alone a new paradigm. We have religions that have successfully done this for us and to us already. I will have to pass, and simply suggesting to others to evaluate and assess if they should do the same. Of course, each has the right to simply conclude that I'm some lost ill-mannered soul who is judgemental and fostering a lack of contrasts for comparable note taking.
:mfr_lol:

Now, again this is gscraig's opinion, but we all contribute what we can if we think it will assist in "moving us forward". Does this thread move you and everyone forward? Just some of us? For how long? Why just some of us?

My point is that if it does not move you forward (all of us meaning humanity) Then what is its true value?

We can't co-create a new paradigm when we are being influenced and sometimes trapped by elements of the old.

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abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

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Hi everyone --

I'd like to thank Anchor and MyPlanet2 for their wise words and harmonizing vibrations. Discussing multiple facets of an issue should always be a vital ingredient in our authentic spiritual growth, as long as it's done with mutual respect ..... with care to honor one another's divine essence. Thank you not only for reminding us of this truth but also for so beautifully modelling it for us. :wub2:

Abraxas

A few more questions from me:

1) i think i may have asked something along these lines earlier in the thread, so forgive me if i just haven't quite gotten it yet. What i'd like to ask about is the necessity of acquiring esoteric (often "secret") knowledge, as well as embracing what some may call "new-age" or "occult" spiritual practices (lucid dreaming, astral travel, chakra-cleansing, etc.) to the prospect of a successful "ascension" to 4th/5th dimension. IOW, what if you've never read any "esoteric" texts outside mainstream theology (of any stripe), or ever consciously attempted any of the above-mentioned types of spiritual exercises ....... but you DO try to love God, yourself, your neighbor (including your enemy) and your planet as well as you can ....... and you DO maintain an active "relationship" with what you perceive as God, the Source, the Creator of all that is, trusting innately in Her/His intimate love for yourself and each particle of the universe ..... is this ENOUGH to raise the 3-d vibrational frequency of the person to enable his/her Ascension?

2) I'm curious about "saintly" people who have died in the modern era, e.g., Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Padre Pio, etc. Have they "ascended" yet, or are they waiting for the general Harvest in 2012, or what?

3) In several places on this thread you have stated that we each must "eat Jesus," and the last time you referred to this you even said "eat Jesus physically" (or something like that). I doubt you were saying that we should all participate in a Eucharistic liturgy, as do Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans who believe Jesus to be TRULY PRESENT in the bread and wine. So -- could you describe (again, i guess!) exactly how we are to "eat Jesus physically?"

Thank you as always, Abraxas. :cheerful_h4h:

hippihill

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we kept noticing many of you,
keep making comments about some of us,
typing in 'cryptic' form

first there are 7 aspects of communication
of which, the written word, is only visiable to the naked eye
so, the written word ~ isn't even one of those aspects

1) light of eXKa(33)vier(27) = 33 + 27 = 60
2) sound of eXKa
3) tone of eXKa
4) frequency of eXKa
5) vibration of eXKa
6) masculine of eXKa
7) feminine of eXKa

and, then 8) the infinite loop of the blending of all 7 aspects
thru the divine masculine/and, divine feminine of all of them
so it eXpressed, as, a unified; and; united force of all of it

we call this - eXKavier

any comments 'a' - on this eXKavier stuff is,
that we have ?

the 9th aspect of it - is the choice, to take words
and, to do a few things with them
ie; read things of importance - 3 times - so; you can discern it,
does it sink in, or NOT ~ it is always a lot more, than, what can be said

hmmm-60
if you know anything about flying
(in a plane) or, under your own powers
there is a rule you use
called the 1/60 rule
the nullification of an item that is mixed
with 60 times its volume of another item
for example a dream is 1/60 of death
or a dream is 1/60 prohecy
or fire is 1/60 of hell
or honey is 1/60 of manna
or shabbat is 1/60 of the world to come
a poster is 1/60 of the full exchange :mfr_lol:
a person who visits the ill takes away 1/60 of the illness
even in organic foods, for an eXample you can have
1/60th in it, that is NOT organic
so, anything that eXists, but, is NOT quite there,
like the bud / or flower of a flower/or fruit
so, that might be termed "one sixtieth."
eXKavier is 60 - so, it holds the all in the all

so much information you are eXposed to, isn't going to do
all the learning for you - you must put your 59/60th's into it

this is much like being eXposed to information

you will likely 1/60th of it, in the first read thru it

read it; 60 times, you are likely to get the all in all of it

the 'real' world is the world of 'will' (17) thru 'eternity" (44)

viviane (37 ) seraf'ina (37) = 74

(there is also the solar grandmother-will get that onto another post)

6 x 10 = 60 33/27 = 60

eXKavier - what are these keys,
we've brought thru in that name exka(33)vier(27) = 33+27=60
NOT yet revealed to this world ?

(we will add to this post = 33) and, also (we will add to this post = 27)

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Post 1211 indirectly refers - I already mentioned the freewill maxim - abraxasinas concurred.

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People you all have a brain inside your skull.
Use it.

Think logically for a second now, everything surrounding us has a reason why it exist,move,dance,breathe,live.

There are forces unseen and laws unseen but mathematically present and very alive,people know that.

So use logic now and bare with me;

Creator has created us .
He loves us and always helps us on our path .
He does not do that by force, he`s offering help by motivation of love towards his creation.

When he speaks to his children he speaks that his children can understand on every level.

Emissary of the Dragon here, or the Dragon himself are constantly quoting Jesus Christ. They go further and even claim that actually Jesus was and is a higher "Dragon", and that Lucifer is his friend .

Further when they explain their stuff here it is extremely confusing and occasionally non aligning with itself.
You find your self reading Abraxinas post and at the end or in the middle of exhausting post you find a small sentence which null files text above,nevertheless he continues further.

I ask you did Jesus Christ spoke like that?
Did he hide truth from his disciples and whom ever wanted with honest heart?
Did he aimed to amaze people with hard -to-know phrases and words?


Pharisee`s did that.
Scribes did that.

How did he named them?

Den of VIPERS.


No matter how hard you try Dragon apprentice, you can`t hide the fact that you lie with cold blood.

You write rants here ,elaborate with confusing data, and bluntly overturn clear words from Bible.
No wonder why sooo many people today don`t trust Bible any more. It is because of your kind, twisters of God`s own word, deceivers of worst kind, trappers of souls.

Nevertheless word of God will judge you;

Revelation 22

18.I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19.And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this

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Your a courageous, wonderful, good soul Beren. You stand up for what you know is right and are trying to show the light to the good people here.

I must admit I get very darn confused with Abrax answers especially when he quotes Jesus and the bible in his answers and then throws lucifer in for good measure, that makes my head spin, knowing what I know of the good book, Jesus, lucifer and so on.

When Abrax said that Jesus was a master templar that spun me out, if anything I thought he would have maybe been part of the Essene group.

Someone wrote on this thread that Abrax does play to people's ego who support him and I have read and know this is true.

Your spirit which is not encumbered by 3D has the answers to all knowledge so I suggest you go within and seek answers to this information given there.

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Hello Abraxas,

I briefly visited your website as well as watching this ever-growing thread - you are one busy guy!

I have one question that I am hoping you can shed some light on....

All of my life I have shied away from any religion or spirituality that has a foundation that you must "do, believe, act, look like, be born into, etc" in any specific fashion in order to be "saved, redeemed, spared, evolve, ad nauseam".

This includes having to "know or understand" secret, sacred or complex knowledge that is only available to the "followers". You do state that the knowledge you are attempting to impart with this thread is truly available to all but that we may not be currently able to understand it. However, you also state that only a very few will be able to utilize it to "ascend" to a better place/space ( reminds me of a rapture type statement). Once again - how is that possible if we are all ONE? How is it fair if a majority of the beings we share this world with do not even have the ability to see this information? ( I am not just directing this towards you - it is my "own problem" with this type of material) Most of the information is not translated, it would have no frame of reference for someone not familiar with Judeo-Christian teachings, people who experience developmental disabilities, illiteracy, who are blind, under educated etc. so how can it be the only way? I just do not believe that any "way" that limits it's audiences ability to truly participate and/or promises it's audience that they are (or could be) the only ones, thus creating seperation from their fellow beings - is NOT the WAY.

Ok - so there were a few questions there :sneaky2:
El

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Actually he had to, he often had to speak in parables because the core truth was too much for the average man in his audience. To some extent it was necessary to de-tune the message for wider coverage.

I agree that it is better to speak truth with clarity so far as it is possible.

Many times this means not speaking at all. However, on this forum, there are topic titles that can allow people to ignore that which they dont want to read - and it is for this reason I keep asking people to let it be.

I think abraxasinas has demonstrated accuracy with the bible and I dont see where words are being twisted. I myself tend to restrict myself to the reported "sayings" of Jesus since they appear to me to be the least distorted parts of the bible. Since many of them are wrapped in parable, they were probably deemed by the editors to be so open to debate and inpenetrable, they did not require distortion to support any elitist agenda.

[with no particular focus on you Beren...]

Once again I see many here falling into the same old trap of judging the messenger and not the message.

It also seems as if inpenetrable data seriously offends a few egos - I say tough! Deal with it. Have you considered this is one of the distortions we all need help working through? Data is data.

Two sides of the polarised arguement against this thread - on the one hand there is no such thing as Dragons so Abraxasinas is clearly off his trolley - on the otherhand Dragons are very real and us poor humans need protection by the gallant knights in shining armour and experienced dragon slayers. Which is more preposterous? To me neither. Data is data.

What is not preposterous is that questions and answers to those questions yeild pure DATA. Data can be left or worked with - your/our choice.

Context can manipulate that data - but the assembled masses here are not vulnerable chooks that need protection. We are more on our guard against any potential contextual manipulation and trickery; not that I myself have discerned any yet from the OP and subsequent posts - all I have discerened with every fibre of my own intuition is a desire to deliver information/data in the context of the questions asked.

This Dragon (personae) - is providing answers - so far - in what looks like good faith. On that note, Abraxasinas, I have a few more questions of my own for you :

1) to what extent do dragons have a bearing on the functioning of the elite/dark forces currently attempting to control the evolution of human kind on this planet?

2) are there good dragons and bad dragons (where good and bad have the meaning of service to the interests of humanity or service to self, not in the interests of humanity).

3) please re-state the exact relationship between what you call dragon and what you call human.

4) dragon iconography crops up a lot. In the recent video by Bill Ryan one is struck by the number of dragon images in the opening sequence of shots around London, England. Additionally I recently have cosidered that there are the Eastern (I'm thinking about chinese) Dragons who are associated with the power elite - emporers etc - in a more mystical way, and Western Dragons who live in caves and get slaughtered by "heros". Can you elaborate more on the role of the dragon iconography through the human ages? When did it start and why?

A..

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Ellie,

people manipulated in this manner only have themselves to blame. The path is long for them, but all will end well.

Ego is not anyones problem but the person in whom that ego manifests.

You play with fire you get burned, unless that is, you know how to play with fire. [1]

A..

[1] Mental image of GregorArturo firedancing springs to mind :D

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the templar group/and, the Essene group where different grand cycles

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Until you confront a real one you will never KNOW. If you do ever have that experience, you are going to be sifting through the data is your britches and it will be to late then. You want all the data, get all the data. Get the real data. The data that isn't written in plain site for you to see. Anyone can be spoon fed with data.

Since when does somebody have the Authority to speak on someone's behalf without any supporting documentation? That's like me saying I can speak for a Mod here at the forum when I have no authority to do so. Just because Abrax here has this so called authority from this council, doesn't mean he has the authority to speak for Jesus. As we all know that the bible was edited and reedited how many times, by TPTB in the first place. So that is why he is using the bible because it was actually taken control over by the Dracs. It serves their purpose and I know that the "data" has been twisted to exploit.

144,000 were chosen. = false = Bible
144,000 must choose. = true = What Jesus actually said.

When Jesus said to find the truth, one must go with in and not with out. Meaning everything you want to know is within you already. The without means that you won't find that truth on the outside of self ie not with out. How much data does one need to make sense of that?

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I have a curious mind Anchor as you know. Things to do with why we are here, where we are going etc have always interested me, occult, esoteric, gnostic knowledge that's been my whole interest and direction in life for decades.

It would be nice if there could be a "Thuban Council for Dumbies" book written. This thread is way too long for me to read the total way through it but I am interested enough to want to know the answers to these questions:-

1. Is Abrax a channel for the Thuban Council. If so, when did such communication start?

2. Abrax 3D present life also encompasses that of a Phd in string theory so maybe the way he communicates on this forum is a bit above the level of someone like me and maybe if he took a step back and tried a simpler way it would be easier for people in general.

3. I cannot understand why he infers Jesus and dragonhood in the same sentence, etc.

If anyone else on the forum could explain this I would be appreciative.

I do not agree with you Anchor regarding your statement I think it was (I am not going to go back and look now) that some people are not attuned to the frequency or whatever. I am not sure what your words were, but things should be a little bit easier than that especially if he wants to share the Thuban Council's message to the people of the world in general.:sneaky2:

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Lionhawk,

It is true I cannot recall at the moment ever having met a "real one" - to me they have all been personae/personifications. I dont deny that. I am not entirely convinced I even know what a Dragon really is and am keen to learn - at least in terms such as you and abraxasinas appear to refer too, and even then you are not in complete agreement with eachother.

I might point out that you have not really been forthcoming about any of this stuff either. The deal with you is: "I know, you dont, take my word for it". I shall attempt to cut to the bottom of what I think you have said in more paraphrased detail:

1) I, Lionhawk, know about and have history in dealing with Dragons

2) Abraxasinas does not totally conform to what I know about dragons - he either isn't one or "must be a young dragon" that doesnt know a lot about what it means to be a Dragon

3) Dragons are not nice and destroy humans and if left to it, themselves.

4) You are all potential chicken dinners - take it or leave it - caveat emptor. Don't expect me to haul your ass out of the fire, even though I might do that anyway because I am here to help.

In case you havent worked it out yet, I am not scared of either Dragons or Dragon wranglers. There is a reason for that, and I am guessing that you probably know what that is.

A..

PS: You added stuff to your post after I read it and wrote this, my comment above does not address that.

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Anchor,
I disagree with you on few points.

1.
Abraxinas quotes Bible and continues with abstracts explanation which have little or no common sense related to particular verse.
Bible has layers but bear in mind that often what is written means exactly that. Satan (which means adversary) is the one who complicate things in order to confuse and lead astray people to his own aim.
Just remember the scene from Eden; God said do not eat for you will die...Satan comes and says;" Really? Is it that ,that God actually said-no he knows that...lalalalal..." Twisting and complicating simple things and statements. That is a sign of a mind which is cunning. Also that kind of mind lures in people who naturally have tendency of abstract thought and like mental challenges so they fall as easy prey.Bear in mind that no matter that we are to inherit the kingdom and be rulers in universe ,as Bible says to humans ,we are not there yet. And Satan knows this ,being a spiritual being far older than we.He knows tricks and ways to deceive.
Never forget that.
Abraxinas goes away ,far away with explanation.

2.
You stated that Jesus spoke in parables to de tune understanding, that was my point too.
Where you find clarity in Abrax posts?
Where does he really try to explain things?
His replies drags questioner deeper down in confusion plus he tend to contradict himself.

3.
This is a distortion as you said. Saying "don`t judge the messenger" is passe in this case.
He claims that he represent in essential a high order of Dragons.
I am offended since he in order to win some here lies constantly.
What exactly have in common truth and a lie?
He essentially says that white is black and black is white.
When asked a simple question he slippery whines off. Into complicated equations ,rants,long posts in different colours,which in order to be seen makes you switching from electric to minty all the time,so poor people quit in half of his answer here...Who does that? What does he hide ,why is he afraid to stand in the light? Oh-light shows all...What kind of cunning person you must be to think even about this small tiny details in responses in order to more confuse and burden people,so that they will quit reading and finally think :"well he must be right ,look at all this intellectual post here...!" ?
That do not pass with me.It has a name - weasel.

He partially quotes the Bible ,whatever soothes him.
But the very Bible says that Dragon ,that ancient serpent will be destroyed.
Very Jesus for which he claims that actually is higher Dragon will destroy the Dragon and all of its kind.


I am not and will not be one with the kind that killed and still kills humans.

Every human should ask himself that question.
Are you one with Dragon kind or human kind?

There is no peace and love between those who raped,killed,lied,deceived humans through out history -and us.

And if all this is a game for them, well count me off your bloody games Dragon & crew...

P.S.

I will finish with this, what ever Dragon knows about all,from technology,ascension and whatever- it is a lesser knowledge.
You feel when you read his answers,a cold blooded ,calculated persona.
You don`t feel love,compassion,humbleness.

What does that tell you in the first place?

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I respect that.

An engine in poor repair (state of tune) does not generate the power expected of it. A mind suffering from years of mind control and dumbing down cannot function to its full potential - its frequency range restricted - and signals attenuated.

It is a fact that some minds cannot accept certain information until a measure of decluttering, self-work and at this time even healing/repair has been carried out. That is what I mean by the capability of tuning. Only those minds that have been restored to nearer the levels of intended function are capable of tuning to higher conciousness.

A good deal of physical techniques delivered across a wide range of human cultures, have been dedicated at improving the function of the mind. Physical and mental fitness is a common theme amongst the esoteric orders for a reason.

Update: The comments above are not a reference to IQ, but clarity - clean pathways - there is some correlation between the two but they are not the same thing. I realised after reading and being quoted that this could have come over as a reference to cleverness or stupidity and it is not.

A..

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You said it in a more concise way Beren than I did.

Giving truth and showing the light and way to people should be a hell of a lot easier than what Abrax is saying here. All of us do not have IQs above 140 or even 130, not that makes any difference. Jesus himself did not talk above the people, he was easy to understand even reading his parables.

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Well Anchor, thanks for relating that to me and I do know what you mean as far as it relates to me personally.

I love you too and always will and that is why I continue to post on this thread and will continue to do so because I do love you and everyone else.:wub2:

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Hi All,

I wanted to comment that What I really do not understand is why it is necessary such a complicated language an stories to expelain things and scenarios in this thread. I have followed project camelot for a while in part because they and the whistleblowers use a simple and direct language.

my question is: waht is coming?.....a time to physically leave the planet?...a time to spiritually leave the planet?...a time to stay and differentiate ourselves from the rest?.....

do we need all these metaphores and biblical passages to understanf a fouth or fifht dimension and a possible world without shortages?

are we still looking for a master to guide us? are we just expanding our current religions to accept additional stuff?

I believe that initially abraxas started talking more about things of the jewish religion but people started askink about jesus.

I believe that lionhawk uses a very direct language but he does not clarifies the things or situations we need to choose from.

thanks,

Miguel

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Ellie ,the more IQ you have ,the more you are simple. When you know ,you do not complicate. Elaborating as it was seen here is straying from truth,facts and real explanation.
I sense the need here to amaze people with quasi knowledge.

Why Jesus beside all ,told people ;"unless you became like little children,you will not enter kingdom of heaven."

Are we becoming?



Gives you time to think...

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ellie

I'm going to tell you something and it will come across as quite rude. I'll apologise for that now but here me out.

This abrax guy uses words and language in a way that you are not familiar with. What he actually writes is eloquent GIBBERISH. I can tell you now that the reason he does that is to baffle you with bull ****. 2,3,4 syllable words do not make an IQ. He may have a better command of the English language than some here but, I can assure you,much of it is just contextual rubbish. Much of what he writes does not say or explain anything. It's just big ol beguiling words to confuse, evade or side step.

Unfortunately friend, you have been beguiled. The "baffle you with bull ****" has given you an impression that this geezer is an intellectual. It's only language used in a confusing way. His game, his rules and his experience.

Edit You are no less a person for being covered in snake oil.

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I love you as well. By the way, I realised my post read wrong and have made a small change

"The comments above are not a reference to IQ, but mental clarity - clean pathways - there is some correlation between the two but they are not the same thing. I realised after reading and being quoted that this could have come over as a reference to cleverness or stupidity and it is not."

A..

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If there are no questions asked Richard and if the posts are basically opinion of the poster, then I exercise my integrity and honour to reply or comment or not on the content of the messages.

As you have asked to comment on gscraig's opinion, I shall comment on it.

Originally Posted by gscraig http://projectavalon.net/forum/image...s/viewpost.gif
All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

Why?

Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions?

This is answered rather simply by stating that MOST of the answers which are given to the questions asked are, at least in context, already answered by the material found on the linked website.
So noone NEEDS to ask any questions at all if one searches for the Thuban information in a more colloquial say 'earthbound' context.
But the present situation in the universe, albeit focused on Gaia, represents an unprecedented occurrence in the cosmic evolvement and part of this unfoldment requires extraordinary solutions to solve extraordinary 'problems'.

In essence; and that is why the 'fulfilment of scripture' is often accented; this unfoldment retraces the entire cosmology to its primordial beginning in archetypes.

So to UNDERSTAND the END of say a Cycle regarding the evolvement of a galactic civilization; one must discern the BEGINNING of this Cycle.

This is necessity, because when the universe became archetyped, its symbology required to define the End of the Universe before it could define its own Beginning.

By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

The Thuban Council does not set any stage for anyone. The Thuban Council is exactly what it claims to be - the emissary or messenger from the Logos, the Universal Logos of the Christian scriptures.
The Thuban Council functions under the auspices of the 24 Elders, archetyped in the Book of Revelation.
Noone is required to accept or believe this in any form or manner.
The 24 Elders are the Thuban Dragons, who receive their authority from the 4 Beasts and through them from Prime Source or God.

If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence .

All of these messages from Thuban are rather more poignant than messages. The data shared and freely given is generally NOT directed towards the 'ordinary' waking consciousness of the reader (~86%), but to the superconsciousness of the reader (~0.3%).

On the superconscious level you Richard and sweet Celine and Beren and Gscraig and Elli and Viking and Lionhawk and Steve X and Stardustaquarion and all other 'detractors' truly cherish and value this information as their own (and it is, because before space and time, all of you, including the beneficers came to a collective agreement to become EXPOSED to this data stream in just such a 'strange' manner).
In a sense all of you have coauthored the Thuban Archives in a Unity of archetypes, which will trigger your remembrances once exposed to them in a scenario of self-forgetfulness.

It was also agreed to that a necessary OPPOSITION, mainly triggered by the collective subconscious (~14%) will then become an agency - actually you all are SECRET AGENTS from Thuban - to allow anyone confronted by the Thuban data to SELFPROCESS this 'forgetfulness' through the vehicle of feeling indignation and vehemently opposed to it.

Many of you 'hate' and 'ridicule' this data stream BECAUSE it WAS EMPOWERED by yourselves before incarnation and before any of you experienced embodiments in any of the 10 dimensions of material manifestation.

So there is a PURGING going on, a SELFPURGING of the multitude of astral thoughtforms, by yourselves through your superconsciousness, which many of you perceive as hostile ETs.

When you think you are intuiting and thinking your own thoughts, then more often than not, these thoughts are induced NOT BY PTB agendas (which are just synthetic mindcontrol substitutes for a much more potent natural phenomenon), BUT by the astral sentiences, including what you term the 'dead ones'.

Thanks to one of you, I have found a vehicle to greatly expand on this 4D-5D spacetime interaction.
This is the reason as to why I have decided to comment on a related thread by Jonah on the Spirituality thread (thank you Anchor for resurrecting this thread): "What is Jesus?".
I shall post on this thread and as certain data there is HIGHLY RELEVANT to this thread; certain excerpts of my expositions shall be reproduced here in their appropriate contexts.

But generally, it will be a function of your subconscious processing and NOT your waking conscious understanding of these messages, which will determine your level of remembrance. On the superconscious level WE are as One and Unified in Thuban Dragonhood.

Again, Dragonhood MEANS the manifestation of a Fourth Merkabah-Brain, supplementing the Reptilian brainstem of the First Level and the Mammalian midbrain of the Second Level and the Human Cortex of the Third Level.
This then brings the LINEAR evolution of the old human merkabah to an end and RECIRCULARISES your reptilian brainstem with your starhuman perceptions, accessing your 'obscured' superconsciousness.

This then is the TRU meaning of the Ouroboros, the Milky Way abd the Zodiac in the Serpent who swallows its own tail.
All of you are Ouroboros and all of you are Serpent-Tamers under the 13th starsign of Ophiuchus transforming the Scorpio of John into the Eagle of John.

AA

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Ask Abrax of what I have spoken of in his thread? Did you even consider why he did not want to have a conversation as to what I posed to him? I was also actually "nice" about it and not as confrontational as you put it. I have seen other way more confrontational comments in this thread but you never even mentioned any of those. But since it would appear that I am near attacking this Dragon and someone you feel more in alignment with, anything I say is going to be more amplified in your mind. Why is that Anchor? I'm just curious as to how you play this game.

As far as what I know, I am not the only one who knows. However I do bring something to the table as to a soulution and for the most part none of you who have this new alignment with Abrax here see that. Now that tells me there is a spell on you. And I can not write what some of my scans have shown me about this thread and some of the participants.

The reason why I don't say it all out and put it on a silver platter for you is that you also have your free agency I must respect that and I have given enough big clues here so that you can actually go validate it for yourself. Again don't take my word for it, but go prove it. If you want the real data, go prove it. I am not here to spoon feed you or anyone else here. That would be disrespectful and would lack integrity if I was to do so. Get the data in the first hand so that no one has to convince you other wise in the second hand. In other words, get real. I really thought you of all people could handle that. But that is not what I see is being reflected back in this thread.

And by what responses and energies I am picking up, apparently I am not the only one here and many don't really want to say what they really feel because they seen from the past what kind of reactions they will get back. And it is because they care and know what side of the fence they are on. Not the lukewarm like Jesus spoke of as he would spit that out first as compared to knowing if it was cold or hot.

I may have said I know but I have never said to take my word for it. I always say don't take my word for it because I want everyone to find that validation for themselves. You've taken that way out of the context of what or where I stand, for the record. Everyone who really knows me here will also tell you that. So where the hell did that come from? Fact is I want people to know what is going on and it isn't a game here as some type of fictional drama between polarities that you just read about. The ones that only want to see love and light are blanketing their horrific memories. They are in essence the most wounded and I really don't blame them from everything I have seen. But always remember there are different domains of knowing in a soul's life. I guess the Arch types refer that as cycles as well.

Point is I am in the now and have done much work in remembering who I am. I am not going to deny who I am because someone has a prejudice and think that warriors suck. If it wasn't for a lot of the warrior cast I am aligned with, many things would be much worse. Look at the records and see it for yourself. Personally, I hate war. But I defend what I love and if anyone has a problem with that, tough. I have paid my dues and I don't need to be disrespected because I chose to defend that. I don't need to be spat on because I have served the Creator. At least I know who I serve. Which leads me to a question as to some here and who they serve. I also don't have to point fingers as some of you here have already pointed your own finger onto yourselves and if you think no one noticed that, then you are blind. To think just because we are not all Einsteins here, you are smarter, is one of the biggest jokes in this Universe. And that joke is on you.Intelligence is just an aspect of Creation. It isn't the whole ball of wax. Do some tuning work on that.

Problem is that many are still sleeping. And you may think what I have spouted off as a dream. I am not here to take you away from dreamland. It is your choice what you do with that or as you define it. And you will surely be limited if all you can see is 3D data. It will keep you asleep. That is how the second hand information highway has been used.

As far as young Dragons go, was not said in disrespect. Just an observation as compared to other Dragons I have known. Just be what I had written in the construct of that sentence. Ask him.

Well then, Anchor, you haven't tested your fear in this other domain of knowing. I always have tried to keep people from it, but you know what, to hell with that from now on. The door is opened and you choose to open one of the door and keep it opened here at this forum. If you are as good as you try to convey with your subtleties , then by all means step on through. Just make sure you bring an extra pair of britches.

What shocks many here is the double standards and who it suites. I have seen other threads closed for much much less. And although I am not into slamming threads closed as I do support free speech, I am really surpirised by the past history here as compared to what you all are allowing now. It doesn't seem like your normal ways of doing things.

As far as starting my own thread, that idea is a dead horse on life support. Let me just put it this way and you can read between the lines if there are any lines. I did start one thread and it got slammed closed. I learned my lesson. Now I appreciate you suggesting that I should start one again. As that would take the pressure out of this thread if I took myself out of this one. But all you had to do was ask. So this is what I am going to do. I am just going to bow out of this one as I have only asked for a fair handshake as to integrity, and I didn't get that despite my efforts. Good luck with this thread. May you all learn many valuable lessons from it.

I know when to detach.

God Bless :thumb_yello: