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droid56 03-21-2010 06:32 AM

This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
This division among the awake people that participate on this forum shows why we humans aren't ready to join the galactic community of beings that are committed to a service to others approach to life.

It's sad, but it's our current reality.

I'm not saying that none of us are ready to be part of a compassionate, loving world.

I'm just saying that Project Avalon is a well above average example of human activity, and the opposition is clearly here.

We have a long way to go to be ready to be a part of the enlightened planets of our galaxy.

I hope we become ready before it's too late.

futureyes 03-21-2010 07:25 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
as the division ... the drama of what was occuring within our family here was unfolding ... i too felt such deep sadness ... sadness that we were becoming separated ... i felt it within my heart ... enough that i decided to leave ... couldn't remain where there was such pain occuring ...

after some time ... i realized leaving was not the answer ... leaving no longer resonated with me ... remaining here and once again locating unity with us all was the work we had ahead of us ...

free will ... we can choose whatever feels appropriate for us ... and we should ... but isn't this ... a part of our journey ... individual and as a unit?
isn't this ... learning towards unification?

what learning ... will leaving bring ... that resonated with me even less ...

no ... perhaps we as a human race are not ready for our destination right in this moment ... but ... our learning ... our experiences upon our path of truth ... IS indeed ... our process to the new world ... a very different way of life ...

i feel ... the time is now to know our truth ... realize what is actual and what is merely illusion ... transcend ego ... ascend to BE with our higher selves ...

i feel ... this break up experienced ... initially surfaced our weaknesses as a whole ... but ... since then ... i feel we have realized immensely what we have learned from it ... how we allowed our ego to govern us ...
how we allowed the wedge of agenda ... however it arrived ... to divide and separate us ...

realize ... learn and move forward once again ...
as a whole once more ...

i feel this process strengthened us ... in many ways ...
i feel this experience by all ... was not a weakness ... not in the big picture of what is unfolding ...

perhaps not in this moment ... perhaps not tomorrow ...
but ... we WILL ... and we ARE ... BEcoming who we really are once more ...
and this ... this was merely a stepping stone ...
a big stone for certain ... but i feel ... we have learned and are navigating our path as a whole to one that is even more truer ... than what was ...
i truly do ...

we are learning ... to disintigrate our fears ...
we are learning ... to live within truth ...

and we are ... BEcoming stronger for it ...

avalon ... certainly is a well above average example of human activity ...
remembering ... there are NO coincidences ...

if we can't figure this out here ... seeking and coming to know our truth by way of integration with others ...
how in the world will others figure it out ...

whatever happens here is quick ... boom boom boom ... learn it ... live it ... continue moving forward ...

CONTINUE ... moving forward within love and wisdom and strength gained ...
on this journey ...

no sadness ... just happiness that we are transcending ...
within our own selves ...
within our beloved forum ...
within this world ...

it takes time ... and experiences ...
we are strong ... we WILL ... arrive ... :thumb_yello:

carpe diem ...

:wub2:




aloha 03-21-2010 07:46 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2...8m_e65ab3a.jpg

we will never arrive
there's no-thing to arrive at
there's no-where to arrive
we're already there
we are what we are - AWARENESS
re-member . . . .

and there's no-one to arrive any-where
there's just what you are - AWARENESS

nagual 03-21-2010 09:15 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
"Division has started at third-dimensional level, and the groups of frequencies present in your plane of existence are being regrouped.

From now on, you will be seeing many signs of division and regrouping manifesting in your reality. Companies will split, friends will stop seeing each other, families will separate, groups will be divided, etc. And at the same time you will be witnessing the absolute opposite; you will join new groups, you will feel closer than ever to your loved ones, family and friends.

This change is neither positive nor negative. It is existential.

This is a natural step in the mass-ascension process."



source: http://www.emmanuelmessages.com/?p=668

.

greybeard 03-21-2010 09:31 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Birth Pains thats all.
Not be-littling the process.
We are in the crucible, all in purities are being burnt off.
Why worry God knows what he is doing.
Only ego can feel this type of pain.
We are seeing the dying thros of the lower state of consciouses.
Not pleasant but necessary.

We made it through this stage, dident we?
Love to all.
Ch

Ross H 03-21-2010 09:50 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aloha (Post 259983)
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2...8m_e65ab3a.jpg

we will never arrive
there's no-thing to arrive at
there's no-where to arrive
we're already there
we are what we are - AWARENESS
re-member . . . .

and there's no-one to arrive any-where
there's just what you are - AWARENESS

Thank you.

Peace.

tone3jaguar 03-21-2010 01:20 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by droid56 (Post 259976)
This division among the awake people that participate on this forum shows why we humans aren't ready to join the galactic community of beings that are committed to a service to others approach to life.

Whats this we stuff? I am not waiting for everyone else.

JesterTerrestrial 03-21-2010 01:24 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar (Post 260043)
Whats this we stuff? I am not waiting for everyone else.

:mfr_lol:

good point!!!

And to add to that...

WHO SAID I WAS HUMAN!!!

:shocked:

:mfr_lol:

TRANCOSO 03-21-2010 01:29 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JesterTerrestrial (Post 260045)
:mfr_lol:

good point!!!

And to add to that...

WHO SAID I WAS HUMAN!!!

:shocked:

:mfr_lol:

5.232 posts?
You must be Super Human!

micjer 03-21-2010 02:39 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

"The downside of spiritual education is the buildup of the vanity of 'I know' and the devaluation of people who are 'not spiritual'. Therefore it is important as a foundation to spiritual training and education to learn how consciousness manifests as the ego and its mechanisms."

Dr. David Hawkins


There is too much "You are either with me or against me" mentality in this world in general. I just wish everyone could just get along. The ego won't let many do this.

Anyone who has studied sociology will know that there are different personality traits out there in the world going from Dominant downwards to being just a follower. Certain personalities do not work well together.

sammytray 03-21-2010 05:01 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
the division of avalon has nothing to do with humanity and it's ability to transcend, ascend whatever. I look at this drama as a play... Entertainment etc. We are human therefore display human behaviors like competition and drives to succeed. One just needs to keep one foot in both worlds per say. Enjoy the experience, learn from the avalon drama. I sure hope most don't look at avalon and it's leaders as humans hope.

take it for what it is...a wonderful information freeway.

sammytray 03-21-2010 05:02 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by micjer (Post 260051)
Dr. David Hawkins


There is too much "You are either with me or against me" mentality in this world in general. I just wish everyone could just get along. The ego won't let many do this.

Anyone who has studied sociology will know that there are different personality traits out there in the world going from Dominant downwards to being just a follower. Certain personalities do not work well together.

here, here... Simply put. Wisdom

dddanieljjjamesss 03-21-2010 05:26 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
The site going down really only means as much as you make it.
I'm still going to network with you fine folks. Like I keep saying in all these threads
my contact info is in my profile. the people are still people and they're still HERE regardless of what forum they type their words on.

hollylindin 03-21-2010 08:46 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO (Post 260046)
5.232 posts?
You must be Super Human!

Yes, but most of JT's posts consist of:

"WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?!?!?!" :lol3: That response can work for ANY topic. :) (Your posts always make me smile, JT!)

<3

hollylindin 03-21-2010 08:47 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dddanieljjjamesss (Post 260080)
The site going down really only means as much as you make it.

When IS this site going down? Anyone have any information on that? (Here's hoping Bill will reconsider . . . :winksmiley02:)

<3

Snowbird 03-22-2010 01:01 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar (Post 260043)
Whats this we stuff? I am not waiting for everyone else.

Exactly Tone3. We are on an individual-collective journey and we each have to think/act/feel/love on our own terms.

ellie 03-22-2010 01:09 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
There has been millions of good souls over time that have lost their lives, reputation etc because they stood up for what they believed in.

I am stating what I believe because I know for a fact there were some really good people, very humble and spiritual people who cannot understand what they did wrong, have worked out stuff in their head and are mystified and hurt because they did not get a call to .............over there.

All one has to do is look over to see who is over there already and I am sure you will be totally aghast on why some got early invitations and others have disappeared.

The ones who have disappeared, the humble, happy, spiritual, giving people I am really grieving for, and I am not happy about it.

If that puts me on the outer with the ascension or whatever process then that's my decision I suppose.

cueballri 03-22-2010 01:11 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
you can't break up from something you are one with. It is you and we are it lol. Everything is unfolding according to a beautiful divine plan sit back, smile and enjoy the ride. Our multiverse doesn't offer this experience often. Out of all life in the cosmos we made it here to experience this! damn we're lucky. wouldn't be here unless we are supposed to be
So let that light shine through and light up creation!

3optic 03-22-2010 07:28 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar (Post 260043)
Whats this we stuff? I am not waiting for everyone else.

Way to help a brother out! :bleh:

Céline 03-22-2010 08:43 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nagual (Post 259987)
"Division has started at third-dimensional level, and the groups of frequencies present in your plane of existence are being regrouped.

From now on, you will be seeing many signs of division and regrouping manifesting in your reality. Companies will split, friends will stop seeing each other, families will separate, groups will be divided, etc. And at the same time you will be witnessing the absolute opposite; you will join new groups, you will feel closer than ever to your loved ones, family and friends.

This change is neither positive nor negative. It is existential.

This is a natural step in the mass-ascension process."



source: http://www.emmanuelmessages.com/?p=668

.

Balance...THIS is what it is...

i do not see division here...as one of my favorite poets says..


"Stop trying to calculate the difference between people, people dont need division"

The hurt that some speak of (or dont speak of) is also something we have in common..

"we will only find equality in our number of tears"

Misunderstandings are both ways. Some ,in this thread, this forum , other forums, are still holding onto truths that are Un true..this breaks my heart.

I spent time trying to figure out why, no matter how much it is repeated some still prefer to believe these un-truths...The conclusion i came to was that they wish to believe it.I cannot change this, realizing that has given me a freedom from responsibility...but it greatly saddens my heart.


No matter what, my love never falter..through all the name calling....the talking beyind my back....


The satan poll.... Though i must say that one gave me a laugh...(who knew satan is a florist?? lol)..but the other ones did not may m laugh..

Most of the time, i am very used to being a target...But to see the name calling and schoolyard tactics that were aimed at my husband (both public and private)...REALLy got to me...still does somewhat...picking on me is easy, i am reactionary and emotionally based, no big skill there...but what was said about him, was truly beyond my understanding of how enlightened and loving people behave.

"Justice isn't Justice.. It Just... IS"


ellie..in the name of moving on.. i offer some clarity...

The invite process is mostly random. As the MODS have stated more the once , YES some are NOT getting invited because they have been trouble makers.. I think Karen said she had about 12 people that she saw as "toublemakers" (not sure if she used that term or not ).... Perhaps instead of holding onto the pain of this consequence...working on healing and growing would be best.


I am sorry for any pain, anger or confusion my words and actions may have created. All was done in the name of love and my only desire through all of this was to help. My mistakes are a part of who i am, i can only grow stronger by accepting them I am honored to be amongst some of the most enlightened and loving people on the Internet . I listen and learn very well and am always seeking opportunity to add to my growth.

So i must disagree withe the OP's statement and say that this is a natural path to ascension...

TheChosen 03-22-2010 09:31 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Individual paths yes, but right now 'the' task at hand is the 'collective' ascension of humanity to a higher level.. and I have to agree with droid56.

There is a technique in marketing called focus groups, they gather 100 people from a target demographics and see how well they fare.. then they use this to extrapolate to the entire demographics.

One could say that this forum is a focus group of behavior of people who have reached a great part of the consciousness that will be the norm in the world of tomorrow.

It is funny how synchronicity works.. just few days ago in an article I wrote I gave this forum (and what happened) as an example of why even those that have advanced considerably in awareness are not ready to function in a self-sustaining society run by them.

Its good many are starting to realise the problem here (which is collaboration). Perhaps the solution will follow.. many are watching and waiting :wink2:

Daft Ada 03-22-2010 11:20 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
I spend considerably more time reading these threads than talking on them and by doing so eventually a pattern can be seen for different members.
I am not commenting on any particular member, but Some think that being spiritual means constantly saying love and peace in every post and having fancy dreamy avatars and names.
Some think it means pouncing on posters and telling them how they should think and behave.
Some of those who claim to be the most spiritual and loving shout the loudest and complain the most.
I said it before in another thread, You are not judged by what you tell people you are or by what you want people to think you are, but by what can clearly be seen you are, in your behavior on the forum.
The True you will always shine out when the going gets tough, or someone upsets you or has a go at your friend.
Everyone likes to think they are kind and loving and spiritual, but for many it is just an act of what they would like to be, and so is just on the surface, not a way of life and deep in their soul and everyday life.
The genuine ones will know exactly what I am talking about, and with that inner peace comes a very important trait, Patience, there doesn't seem to be much of that about.

dAkapacity 03-22-2010 01:27 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
I feel that overcoming this so-called division is necessary, but cannot be done through the limitations of the medium (this forum) we use. It can help us in that direction, but in my opinion this needs to be done in 3-D.

I didn't get involved too much with the Avolonian struggling pains. Yes, on one level it's a pity we (let ourselves be) divide(d), though I agree it's all part of the process and we have the potential to rise out of its ashes. I followed the different threads, witnessed Bill and Kerry splitting / dividing core focus, etc... Three words kept bouncing back to me in my brainuter (brain & computer :-): 'all that jive'...

Last weekend I attended a workshop on how to built a sweat lodge in the Dakota tradition. We didn't speak much, but were in a same vibe! We made a fire and spoke out our intentions, after we sweat it out for 2 hours. In the sweat lodge there was room for more talk. We let go of old inner and outer connections which didn't work anymore. When it was my turn, I spoke out that there was too much story, after which I decided to speak jibberish. I invited the others to speak their jibber. We all jibbered :lol3: after which everything became relaxed. :smoke:
I felt like we were in a broader vibe where story evaporated and our hearts got in tune. :thumb_yello:

In Avalon most of us try to look at our own thoughts, judgements, emotions and have decided to walk our inner path, listened to 'the call'. We became more sensitive to what's out there (the different stories) and how we are being manipulated, but more important we see how we keep ourselves in this mental and physical state (ego clutching on to a story for its survival).

Yup! It's a process of breaking free from that and I think by getting together on this forum we can get feedback from likeminded / likehearted people. It's my opinion, however, to try to incorporate this in real life after which you can give back what you've learned. I hope one day some of us can get in contact with each other to get to that 'next level', free of (too much) story!

Anyway, that's how I see it. Getting to know the bigger picture is important. I don't believe everything that's out there, but by wanting to deal with the possibilies, we have the oppurtunity to explore our potential and to change our relationship with the world, how to let (ego) go and at the same time be aware and take 3-D action from the heart.


Pz, light and 1Love!

xxdA.

Peace of mind 03-22-2010 04:03 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
If you only speak of complete truth, than you will have nothing to hide. If your beliefs are real and strong for you than you can handle any form of criticism.

If you lie, or are not sure of your beliefs than you might feel threaten and nervous that your plans/agenda will be exposed with some tough questions.

I want us all to live in a better future…I’m just not so sure if everyone else here wants the same. Restrictions and favoritism has always caused more harm than good.

The truth haves a way of making itself known. Thru all the talking and typing, action always speaks louder than words, just watch what happens...

Peace

orthodoxymoron 03-22-2010 05:50 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
I don't think we are as advanced as we think we are...and that goes for me as well. I think we are in more trouble than we think we are. I'm afraid that a lot of the transcending and ascension talk is just a lot of New Age BS. I think there is a genuine version of this...but that a lot of what is presented is not the real deal. I think we have huge potential...but I think we need to work really hard at facing reality and responding responsibly. This is much easier said than done. This break up stinks. I hate it. :wall::mad3::zip::lightsabre:

TRANCOSO 03-22-2010 10:56 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Céline (Post 260243)
Misunderstandings are both ways. Some ,in this thread, this forum , other forums, are still holding onto truths that are Un true..this breaks my heart.

I spent time trying to figure out why, no matter how much it is repeated some still prefer to believe these un-truths...The conclusion i came to was that they wish to believe it.I cannot change this, realizing that has given me a freedom from responsibility...but it greatly saddens my heart.



The invite process is mostly random. As the MODS have stated more the once , YES some are NOT getting invited because they have been trouble makers.. I think Karen said she had about 12 people that she saw as "toublemakers" (not sure if she used that term or not ).... Perhaps instead of holding onto the pain of this consequence...working on healing and growing would be best.



I am sorry for any pain, anger or confusion my words and actions may have created. All was done in the name of love and my only desire through all of this was to help. My mistakes are a part of who i am, i can only grow stronger by accepting them I am honored to be amongst some of the most enlightened and loving people on the Internet . I listen and learn very well and am always seeking opportunity to add to my growth.

So i must disagree withe the OP's statement and say that this is a natural path to ascension...

Truth, my dear Celine, is a bitter medicine to swallow. If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat & has the size of a rat, you can call it a mouse, a unicorn or an airplane, but that does not change my viewpoint.

It occurs to me that your perception of what truth & un-truth is, has been coloured & clouded as it suits you. Lying has become second nature to you.

You want me to believe that this whole PA2 operation, has been set in motion to get rid of 12 'troublemakers'?

Celine, I believe you!

You are sorry for the pain, anger & confusion you have created?
Good for you, Celine!

Your mistakes are part of who you are?
Whatever, Celine.

You want to be loved & you don't care by whom.
That is so sad!

I also want to be loved.
But only by people I highly respect &/or admire.

Your love, Richard's love, Bill's love, the pope's love; it means absolutely nothing to me.
Never has, never will.

Listen & learn very well, Celine: One is master over that what hasn't been said, & a slave of the words which came out of your mouth, & have been heard.

Think before you speak, Celine.
And learn when to listen & when to talk.
You can't do both at the same time.

The above is not meant to insult you Celine, although you have been insulting my intelligence more than once.

TRANCOSO 03-23-2010 12:38 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron (Post 260337)
I don't think we are as advanced as we think we are...and that goes for me as well. I think we are in more trouble than we think we are. I'm afraid that a lot of the transcending and ascension talk is just a lot of New Age BS. I think there is a genuine version of this...but that a lot of what is presented is not the real deal. I think we have huge potential...but I think we need to work really hard at facing reality and responding responsibly. This is much easier said than done. This break up stinks. I hate it. :wall::mad3::zip::lightsabre:

Yo! Ortho!
The Mists of Avalon has been created for the Chiefs of PA1.

No moderators, no retards, no spoiled chideren & bored housewives, no fake love, light & blessings, just people like you & me.

The 'Troublemakers', the 'Undesirable', the (Un)invited, the Good, the Bad & the Banned.

C U when I C U, Ortho!
:thumb_yello:

Karen 03-23-2010 04:58 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hollylindin (Post 260127)
When IS this site going down? Anyone have any information on that? (Here's hoping Bill will reconsider . . . :winksmiley02:)

<3

Project Avalon 2.0 has been being worked on for several months and be a bit more focused in the direction of the original intent of Bill Ryan. It was planned long before the recent forum descent into chaos - which has nothing to do with the move to the new forum. This current forum will be closed, but remain online as an archive. Any favorite threads can be moved to PA2, but most will stay here. Just send a PM to Gareth or GaiaLove if you want a thread moved. 99.9% of the people - those in a constructive frame of mind (vs destructive) - will be invited to the new version of the forum. If you would like to hurry up and be invited, this sounds really strange, send me a PM with the email address you want to use and that will speed up your invite. :mfr_lol:

droid56 03-23-2010 05:56 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
I will not ask to be invited because I am too proud.

But if I'm not invited, I will be crushed, in a psychological way.

The good news is I'm fairly optimistic so I think I will get over it. It might take a while, but I am quite resilient.

droid56 03-23-2010 06:07 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
OK, I won't be crushed.

I was not being serious.

Karen 03-23-2010 09:23 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO (Post 260403)
Yo! Ortho!
The Mists of Avalon has been created for the Chiefs of PA1.

No moderators, no retards, no spoiled chideren & bored housewives, no fake love, light & blessings, just people like you & me.

The 'Troublemakers', the 'Undesirable', the (Un)invited, the Good, the Bad & the Banned.

C U when I C U, Ortho!
:thumb_yello:

Oh, I see, you do have a list of "undesireables." :mfr_lol:

3optic 03-23-2010 10:03 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by droid56 (Post 259976)
This division among the awake people that participate on this forum shows why we humans aren't ready to join the galactic community of beings that are committed to a service to others approach to life.

It's sad, but it's our current reality.

I'm not saying that none of us are ready to be part of a compassionate, loving world.

I'm just saying that Project Avalon is a well above average example of human activity, and the opposition is clearly here.

We have a long way to go to be ready to be a part of the enlightened planets of our galaxy.

I hope we become ready before it's too late.

".. the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and
you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living
Father."

His disciples said to Him, "When will the Kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will
not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather,
the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men
do not see it."

-The Gospel of Thomas

"There is nothing to practise. To know yourself, be yourself. To be yourself, stop imagining yourself to be this or that. Just be. Let your true nature emerge. Don't disturb your mind with seeking...

"This beingness, this conscious presence... is the beingness of every sentient being on the earth, the very soul of the entire universe, — and indeed, therefore, this-here-now, this conscious presence, cannot be anything other than God."

-Sri Nisargadatta

TRANCOSO 03-23-2010 01:26 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen (Post 260468)
Oh, I see, you do have a list of "undesireables." :mfr_lol:

Who has told you about the 'U'-list, if I may ask?
That was supposed to be kept secret.
There's a 'T(roublemakers)'-list, which B. gave to R&R, but the 'U'-list is FEO, as in For (my) Eyes Only.
I don't think B. will be happy with this development, as his Swiss 'donation' account will be activated only, when Project NPA is completed as agreed. That means; no lose ends.
Houston, we have a problem, but it sure ain't mine. :nono:

orthodoxymoron 03-23-2010 11:24 PM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Why couldn't certain posting and moderating guidelines have been applied to the current Avalon...making Avalon 2 unnecessary? I can understand refining the forum to make it more pastoral and user friendly...but I still have a problem with the move and with other happenings over the past several weeks. It seems as though something was deemed to be too hot to handle within this forum...and that it had to be shut-down. I still haven't heard an explanation as to why 'Thuban Thoughts' was removed...and not returned in even a read-only form. I fully understand reasonable censorship and the calm revelation of new information and concepts. I fully support evolutionary change over revolutionary change. But really...the number of people who view this forum is very, very small...and most of them are already unconventional thinkers. People who are upset by the material discussed...probably go elsewhere...rather than becoming upset day after day. Having said all of the above...I would like to see a more scholarly forum. Not necessarily populated by arrogant PhD's...but rather along the lines of a class of eager graduate students. Even when Avalon goes to read-only...I plan to spend a lot of time reviewing the information within this site. I've been brain-storming up to this point...and I suspect that the real learning will occur during the review process. A university should offer a graduate degree in Avalon Studies!

I think we humans have a long way to go before we are genuinely responsible. But I'm really mad about the alien intervention and manipulation. If it was just about reigning in a renegade human race...I might be a lot more understanding. But it seems to go way beyond that...into the realm of unspeakable cruelty and corruption. I still want that Solar System Exorcism. Who knows...it might be well underway. I suspect as much. I'm beginning to think that the rest of the universe is more screwed-up than we are. Correct me if I'm wrong. To me...the biggest part of 'ascension' would be for the human race to be sovereign and responsibly free throughout this solar system. I'm not into all of the dimensional, density, holographic, and vibrational new age mumbo jumbo. With me...it's very down to earth physical and spiritual development...which is highly ethical and psychologically well-balanced. We need to all be the new elites...instead of being treated like children or even cattle. :wink2:

Karen 03-24-2010 06:36 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron (Post 260563)
Why couldn't certain posting and moderating guidelines have been applied to the current Avalon...making Avalon 2 unnecessary? I can understand refining the forum to make it more pastoral and user friendly...but I still have a problem with the move and with other happenings over the past several weeks. It seems as though something was deemed to be too hot to handle within this forum...and that it had to be shut-down. I still haven't heard an explanation as to why 'Thuban Thoughts' was removed...and not returned in even a read-only form. I fully understand reasonable censorship and the calm revelation of new information and concepts. I fully support evolutionary change over revolutionary change.

I'm a mod and I don't know why your Thuban Thoughts thread was not returned. I was simply going to return it for you some time ago when some other problem took me in another direction. Would you like it returned, kind of like - better late than never? And to which sub-forum. PM to me would be helpful, in case I get distracted again.

The Thuban issue was complex. Here is just one facet of it. I heard of 12 reports like this.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...&postcount=353
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...&postcount=355
I've never in the history of the forum seen a topic divide us like this one did.

Here is a copy of a post to another thread: Project Avalon 2.0 has been being worked on for several months and is to be a bit more focused in the direction of the original intent of Bill Ryan. It was planned long before the recent forum descent into chaos - which has nothing to do with the move to the new forum. This current forum will be closed, but remain online as an archive. Any favorite threads can be moved to PA2, but most will stay here. Just send a PM to Gareth or GaiaLove if you want a thread moved. 99.9% of the people - those in a constructive frame of mind (vs destructive) - will be invited to the new version of the forum. If you would like to hurry up and be invited, I know this sounds really strange, send me a PM with the email address you want to use and that will speed up your invite.

Plus I'll add:
1) A new version of vBulletin became available, version 4.0, and piqued the interest of the admins.
2) They started playing around with it and noted the forum skins, (colors) of Avalon Electric and Minty used here would not work with 4.0. So they worked to pick two similar theme skins for those who like the light background, and those who like the dark background.
3) Bill started showing up and noticed the mods spending a whole lot of time talking about just a few members and what actions to take - if any. He began to share more about his original vision for the forum why couldn't the mods be talking about being an inspiration to the forum members rather than acting like police. ( All my own choice of words as I don't remember his exact words.) And he talked about rolling out a new refined vision for Avalon with a new look. Bill also talked about developing the orphaned site http://projectavalon.net.
So 1 + 2 + 3 = Avalon 2.0.
4) A poll was taken of the mod team and we decided by a vast majority vote to just get a fresh start with PA2. Leave PA1 as a closed archive. We will close PA1 in a month or two.

And that 's my story, my perspective of where PA2 originated.

The guidelines are the same basic common forum guidelines that were developed 20 years ago - there are very few limits on free speech - as long as you can do it respectfully without flinging insults, flaming, name-calling, etc. You can make critical posts, just keep it in balance with constructive, edifying posts.

orthodoxymoron 03-24-2010 07:19 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
Thank-you Karen. The whole abraxasinas/Thuban phenomenon was bizarre. If the thread can be restored without angering the spirits...so be it. Actually I sort of want to make them mad! :mad3: I flip them off and swear at them all the time! I feel like I've been under continual attack for most of my life. :mad3: Bring it on! :mad3: Let's go! :mad3:

:mfr_omg::mad3::mad3::mad3::mfr_lol:

Carmen 03-24-2010 07:40 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
I love the words, the passages on your post 3optic, they are just beautiful. Thank you.

Love

Carmen

P.S I feel much grief, my own and others from the breakup of this original Avalon!

aloha 03-24-2010 08:35 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
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Originally Posted by 3optic (Post 260474)


"There is nothing to practise. To know yourself, be yourself. To be yourself, stop imagining yourself to be this or that. Just be. Let your true nature emerge. Don't disturb your mind with seeking...

"This beingness, this conscious presence... is the beingness of every sentient being on the earth, the very soul of the entire universe, — and indeed, therefore, this-here-now, this conscious presence, cannot be anything other than God."

-Sri Nisargadatta


aloha

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2...2m_dabd317.jpg


and if the concept God is too limiting/misused, just say AWARENESS
we're all AWARE
and that AWARENESS is our very nature - it's what we actually really are
call it God, Love, Beingness, Conscious presence or whatever you want

all the rest of the nonsense we think we are (including the 'Ego')
are just 'points of view' - that comes and goes - like clouds in the sky

mahalo

SteveX 03-24-2010 10:47 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
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Originally Posted by Karen (Post 260623)
SINPPED

The Thuban issue was complex. Here is just one facet of it. I heard of 12 reports like this.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...&postcount=353
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...&postcount=355
I've never in the history of the forum seen a topic divide us like this one did.

I wonder just how many of these psychic attacks are genuine? What I mean by that is actually instigated by the accused....Abrax. Non I'll wager. These allegation are nothing short of medieval mumbo jumbo that’s probable brought on by the recipients own thoughts and as they cannot prove their claim, is wholly unfair. Then there's the bandwagon factor. One said it then loads jump in on it.

Something else that amazes me. We all have eyes to see but some choose to look at something else. Thuban did not divide the community .... mismanagement and paranoid arrogance did. Karen you gosta keep em peeled.

justpeter 03-24-2010 11:48 AM

Re: This break up shows why we humans aren't ready to transcend. Or maybe ascend.
 
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Originally Posted by Karen (Post 260623)
The guidelines are the same basic common forum guidelines that were developed 20 years ago - there are very few limits on free speech - as long as you can do it respectfully without flinging insults, flaming, name-calling, etc. You can make critical posts, just keep it in balance with constructive, edifying posts.

I think any forum needs guidelines but I personally don't see them being adhered to in either PA1 or PA2. It's not worth discussing PA1 so I'll stick to PA2. There is the usual rule of not posting long passages of outside text yet I see it being done regularly. One person recently posted pages of the stuff.

As for keeping posts "in balance, with constructive edifying posts", there are several people already in PA2 who are mainly negative and dismissive of other people's ideas. One of them has rubbished at least 5 different threads covering all kinds of things that most people here would consider normal and in one thread he even suggested he may not belong on that forum. But he's still there.

I don't understand why some people complain about these forums being too strict. As far as I can see PA1 allowed people to violate the guidelines pretty much at will until eventually things got out of hand and the mods had to do something about it. Now I see the same thing starting at PA2 also. Maybe it's just me. Sorry for being negative but I'm trying to help create a forum that will be beneficial to us all.

Why can't there be a rule that says anyone can report a violation to the mods and they will be given a reply as to the action the mods will take? At the moment I would feel guilty about "snitching" but on the other hand I don't like seeing perfectly good threads being stopped by negative posts and I don't want to get into a flame war with the negative posters.


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