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TRANCOSO 01-07-2010 03:13 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
I was wondering if you are familliar with Courtney Brown's book 'Cosmic Voyage' & if you are, what you think of it.

I'm also curious what your opinion is about Supriem David Rockefeller's claim that he is the reincarnation of Lucifer.

So if you have some time to spare, I would appriciate to hear your point of view in these matters.

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 03:14 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 216789)
Forgive me, :mfr_lol: this one line just made me laugh like hell and think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwei5...eature=related

PS: i do have a very demented sense of humor at times :roll1:


Not demented at all Raven; I meant to FEMINISE the Quantum Big Bang as the FEMALE GODDESS of the UNIVERSE to EMERGE from her archetypical definition just as such SHEBANG=Cosmos as the Physical Reality fopr the Body of the Goddess (and God) in partnbership to be realised post 2012.

Abrax

Anchor 01-07-2010 03:16 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxasinas (Post 217727)
Your hostilities derive from one place and one place alone - it has many names but one name is the 'Evil Reptilian Agenda'.

You are both entitled to an opinion, but dont let this descend into a mud-fight.

The banning was an admitted error. It was done because of a hunch that was probably wrong. It was not just GaiaLove who decided but a quorum. GaiaLove just pulled the trigger. Perhaps there was manipulation in that hunch that derives from the many named source you mentioned - we don't know - maybe you do? The error was fixed. We are all sorry about the error.

I am sure that GaiaLove is not working for the evil reptilian agenda.

I am also sure that GaiaLove is entitled to his opinion of the value of your material - personally I would prefer it done with respect or without any disrespect - but there it is freewill at work - you dont always get what you want.

Yes a post of yours was modified. As a team of moderators we are trying to strike a balance that keeps the forum operating optimally. It is a guideline that is hard to enforce because there are not any stated limits. So we dont always get this right - and that particular guideline is one of the ones that is the most inconsistently moderated. We are working on this.

We do ask that you provide links to outside texts rather than copy and paste, but common sense also works.

Please dont get nasty with eachother.

With your permission I would change the title of this thread to

"Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)"

In the light and in the love of you know who.

A..

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 03:34 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO (Post 217751)
I was wondering if you are familliar with Courtney Brown's book 'Cosmic Voyage' & if you are, what you think of it.

I'm also curious what your opinion is about Supriem David Rockefeller's claim that he is the reincarnation of Lucifer.

So if you have some time to spare, I would appriciate to hear your point of view in these matters.

Hi Transcoso!

The Cosmic Voyage of Courtney Brown is an analogy, a mapping between the higherD and the lowerD perspective and implementation of an identical raw archetype.

The lowerD perspective in scientific terms is the status quo universe of the lightspeed invariance.
In this perspective there are NO bases in the moon or on Mars and no aliens visiting earth due to the 'tyranny of the spacetime metrics'. The important parameter in this scenario is the linearity of the quantum of time, linked to the arrow of stochastically defined entropy (chaos or disorder).


In the higherD perspective the linearity of the timearrow becomes multidimensional and so there exist civilisations like the Martians below the planetary surface and the Greys reflect the present calamities of 'dying bees' or frogs on a global level and related to a 'beehive' or amphibious-reptilian group-consciousness.

Once you can understand this; say there is a hollow earth in hyperspace (up to the 7D timeconnector) and in quantumspace (up to the 10D timeconnector); BUT physically drilling into the earth will find no such 'hollow earth'); THEN you will become familiar how this multidimensionality operates.

This is a most important question of yours; as it will fully engage all those 'alien agendas' and the Service To Self and Service to Others dichotomy and so on.

So I shall refrain for now to elaborate and refer you to this thread and another related one, which will introduce to your someone else from the 'Council of Thuban'.
We shall manifest this thread in the next few days.

About Lucifer; the 'illuminated ones' have for long known what I am sharing here freely. It is part of their 'secret information and database' (but restricted to 10D - Thuban data derives from the 12th).
You are as much Lucifer as David Rockefeller is; but he knows the 'whyfores' of the archetypes as part of the 'priviledged classes' a lot more than you allow yourself to remember.
I am on this forum to balance the equations and allow everyone to 'tap and personalize' the cosmic archetypologies.

Abrax

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 03:59 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anchor (Post 217756)
You are both entitled to an opinion, but dont let this descend into a mud-fight.

The banning was an admitted error. It was done because of a hunch that was probably wrong. It was not just GaiaLove who decided but a quorum. GaiaLove just pulled the trigger. Perhaps there was manipulation in that hunch that derives from the many named source you mentioned - we don't know - maybe you do? The error was fixed. We are all sorry about the error.

I am sure that GaiaLove is not working for the evil reptilian agenda.

I am also sure that GaiaLove is entitled to his opinion of the value of your material - personally I would prefer it done with respect or without any disrespect - but there it is freewill at work - you dont always get what you want.

Yes a post of yours was modified. As a team of moderators we are trying to strike a balance that keeps the forum operating optimally. It is a guideline that is hard to enforce because there are not any stated limits. So we dont always get this right - and that particular guideline is one of the ones that is the most inconsistently moderated. We are working on this.

We do ask that you provide links to outside texts rather than copy and paste, but common sense also works.

Please dont get nasty with eachother.

With your permission I would change the title of this thread to

"Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)"

In the light and in the love of you know who.

A..

I am certainly not interested to engage in any 'mudfights'.
I am also sure that my reply to Gaia Love has in no manner compromised my agenda and did not imply in any way whatsoever that Gaia Love is part of the 'Evil Reptilian Agenda'.

And you 'hit the nail on the head'. The 'hunch' is what I then termed 'under many names' - you might also call it 'Spiritual wickedness at high places'. {Ephesians.6.12}.

Those places are not physical, this is part of the confusion. So if not physical, Gaia Love or anyone cannot be responsible for the 'evil hunch'

I am not here to either 'dominate debate' or to grandstand 'my superior knowledge'. All of this is 'personality politics' or similar.

I am solely here and do what I do for the reason to share data, you will NOT obtain from whistleblowers, nobel prize winners in physics or the newest New Age Channelings.
My 'persona', 3D or 12D is of complete inconsequence.
If I am banned or censored I simply will leave. I only came back because the moderator's stance impressed me and there and then I thanked Gaia Love for doing the most beneficial for the collective.

This long post was specific to Spigovora's question and NOT from an outside source, as I composed the message in its entirety.



Yes, your renaming is a good idea.

Abrax

Moxie 01-07-2010 04:00 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Truly fascinating thread! Thank you Abrax, StarDustAquarian and EveryOne!

This service to self and service to others.

Is it not so that to be of service to others is being of service to self?
If so, then to be of service to self is also service to others.
as in in ol' lords prayr: "forgive us our trespasses AS we forgive others theirs... happens simultaneous, as in the giving you are given... correct?

I don't see a problem understanding this, but it's spouted off so often,
so yes the dichotomies serve as a distraction, the two sides of the coin.

Ok, so did I ask this too late, you are away now for the time being?
I look forward to the 18th and the "rest of the story".

Also, would you mind telling what you see is up with the sun?

Heart thinking & mind feeling< like that!!!

THE eXchanger 01-07-2010 04:23 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 217776)
Heart thinking & mind feeling< like that!!!

add a little, or a lot of moXie, to that, and, it turns into 'good work'
thank you, 'a' for your sharings :)

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 04:24 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12DnAHelix (Post 216692)
The 'Council of Thuban', eh; representing 'Alpha Draconis'.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs088...._4047584_n.jpg

So you know that the original stronghold homeworld of the 'Grandfather' dragons is in the 'Omicron Draconis' star system, then ??

I met Anna Hayes back in 2000, it did not go particularly well; and I personally do not ascribe to her overall perceptual model; although I do think there is 'some value' in the teachings of 'keylontic morphogenetic science'.

What is talked about here in this thread may be the level of insight that the 'draconian' lineages have to provide, I've seen some of this material posted on other forums in the past.

Personally, I believe in a multi-universal cosmos sphere, based on the 'seed of life'; six universes - 36 dimensions; being spun out of a 144000 faceted core structure at it's central axis - operating as an 'opaluminal simulation'.

12DnAHelix was here.

Hi 12DnAHelix!

The Omicron Draconis starsystem in 4D spacetime is mirrored in a colocal 10D Omicron Draconis starsystem as a holographic Image.
This holographic image then becomes Thubanese in 12D as an image of an image.

Your GrandFather association bespeaks of great wisdom and you have intuited well.

Yes, there is great value in Anna Hayes work, however ALL of her works are biased towards the feminine and so are in intrinsic archetypical disharmony.
The complexity of her writings derive from the yin substituting as a shadow yang for the natural yang.

The Thubanese material is the Perennial Philosophy extended, indeed. As such there is 'Nothing New under the Sun' - but the insights and interpretations of symbols are.

Your 36D matrix is a threefoldedness of the 12D archetype. Extensions in multiples of 12 are possible but unneccessary, as the 36 finestructure finetunes in 12 sectors becoming tripartite; just as the 7-hierarchies in related systems.
The universe is simulated in the form of its holographic- and holofractal underpinning nature.

The key to it all becomes the tripartition to be rendered a quadruple partition as this will allow the timeconnector dimensions to become spacelike in normal vector extension. Linear time so can become looped.
This is what is 'intuited' as a transition from 4th to 5th 'density'.

Abrax

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 04:40 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven (Post 216727)
:wub2:

Originally Posted by abraxasinas http://projectavalon.net/forum/image...s/viewpost.gif
An excellent contribution Raven. Indeed the GROKING is directly from the handbook of the Dragons. Handbook of the Dragons? Can you eludidate a bit on this... and thanks for the compliment:)

It means that you have written LikeADragon.

The Groking IT is the same as technically becoming quantum entangled as object of observation and the observer - Schroedinger's Cat is Groking IT.
Yes I agree, to understand all these metaphors and archetypes you have to "become" them.

This is a potent realisation.

I shall henceforth use this terminology when describing the Solution of the Schroedinger Cat paradox.
The solution in Ravenese is the Cat has Groked IT in its Groked selfstate of quantum entanglement and I am rather serious here.
Groked in specific terms then implies that the 'Cat' is NOT EITHER Alive or Dead, but is in fact BOTH Alive and Dead simultaneously.
Hence the void or the great dream?

It's rather deep in terms of mathemartical logic. It does solve the Schroedinger Paradox.

So instead of describing the collapse of the wavefunction as Aliveness in particle/bodyform with the Deadness of the corresponding wave/mindform; One can saty the 'Cat' is Groked, because IF Dead as a waveform it MUST be Alive as a a Particleform and vice versa.

Then in either state of the 'Cat's' Grokedness the 'Cat' is always BOTH Alive and Dead relative to either the wavemind or the particle/body perspective or observer frame.

So to describe the solution to the Schroedinger quantum paradox one simply stes that the 'Cat' is Groked.

What 'vibes' do I get from you Raven. I receive rather particular vibes and those are rather strong.

Your incarnation addresses a very potent, yet most often overlooked archetype in the scroll of the Genesis.

After an archetypical and metaphorical calamity, called 'the flood' and after the archetypical evolution of the Adam archetype had assumed the characterisation of Noah; this archetype decided to extend its 'sphere of influence' and activity.
So in the 'Play of the Gods' YOU as Adam have become engaged to fill the character role of Noah.
So what is the first thing Noah does in the 'script' of the 'play'?

He extends himself in sending his first messenger the Black Raven to check out the scenario following the 'mental archetypical' calamity of the changing of the guarding symbols describing the encoded storylines.

So I know what you are up to Raven. You are the messenger of yourself, heralding and preparing the way for your glorious return into full remembrance about your origins, purpose and destinations.
Thank you, you are truely aware and i 'feel' your mirror is accurate.

I knew you'd like this. That is why I could say I got strong vibrations.

And the 'frequency transmission' was so strong, because you are mentally ready and prepared to receive this information about yourself.
The Raven did not return to Noah as you may chechk out for yourself; but the Raven "went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth." {Genesis.8.7}.
So Raven you are the messenger of Noah, who acts INDEPENDENTLY from his own self.
You so represent a renegade part of your greater self, which does not require the permission of its 'greater more encompassing' self to do what is appropriate under the circumstances.
You might also perform the function of the 'Secret Agency' which like the Council of Thuban manouvers in the shadows until the time becomes appropriate to interact with Oneself again after a period of absenteeism or AWOLness.
Has been performed and is done, was allowed to go AWOL, or "LOWA" once again to observe the birth :)

Very Good- Yes' observing one's own birth. You should read the Gospel of Thomas which IS the Handbook of the Dragons by the way. Then ask me the questions you may formulate after reading the 'Master's handbook'.
http://www.geocities.com/mwgrondin/5thGospl.htm

There is a strong astrological influence 'in the air' for another two weeks until January 18th. Stationary Saturn in Libra is square Pluto in Capricorn with a quadruple joining of Sun, Venus and reverse Mercury in Capricorn. Added to this are the quadrantids meteor shower January 3rd and the solar eclipse of January 15th at New Moon in Capricorn.
The astrological significance of Capricorn-Cancer oppositions are always extremely unsettling for 'unbalanced' entities in either physical-, emotional- or mental bodies; because Capricorn archetypes the Father (Saturn) opposing the Mother (Full Moon) archetyped in Cancer.
So an inversion of the 'home energies' of Father in Capricorn with Mother in Cancer occurs on January 15th; when the Father and Mother exchange places in their celestial 'houses'.

For the metaphysically attuned however, this 'unsettling' also allows great harmonisation in quasi-unified exponents who are in full remembrance of their inner yin-yang unifications as mirrors or shadows of objectification and subjectification or as positive print and negative image in say photography.

Dan Winter's platonic solids are excellent, but he seems to get a little sidetracked when attempting to link the isocahs and the dodecahs to mainstrem science. I have had informants who told me they found some of my essays on his site, but going there I could not find it. I also shared some ideas with Dan in times past.
Yes at times Dan tends to plaigerize, but truely, being all ONE this is not his intention, i understand that.

Yes indeed; he means so well and my comment was not meant to be derogatory, just observant.

Thanks for a spiritually very mature reply raven.

Abraxas

orthodoxymoron 01-07-2010 04:58 AM

Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)
 
If you have the time and inclination...take a look at this thread regarding Amen Ra (and friends!?): http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 There is an evolution of speculation in this thread. It's sort of a 'Discovering Egyptology' thread. I don't expect a response...as I don't really have a question. You might find the naivety and innocence refreshing!

:original:Namaste:original:

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 05:04 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 217776)
Truly fascinating thread! Thank you Abrax, StarDustAquarian and EveryOne!

This service to self and service to others.

Is it not so that to be of service to others is being of service to self?
If so, then to be of service to self is also service to others.
as in in ol' lords prayr: "forgive us our trespasses AS we forgive others theirs... happens simultaneous, as in the giving you are given... correct?

I don't see a problem understanding this, but it's spouted off so often,
so yes the dichotomies serve as a distraction, the two sides of the coin.

Ok, so did I ask this too late, you are away now for the time being?
I look forward to the 18th and the "rest of the story".

Also, would you mind telling what you see is up with the sun?

Heart thinking & mind feeling< like that!!!

Hi Moxie!

Yes, what you have said and realised - you have admitted that you have NO problem understanding this - is the Wisdom of Thuban=Anubis=Freedom=WoMan=The Name=The Amen=66=33+33.

The Dichotomy IS a distraction, but serves the important purpose to ALLOW a contextual background of 'Service to Self' versus 'Service to Others' to play itself out in a maximum polarisation.
Then, just when the balloon is about to burst, it is minimised in a deflation WITHIN an ENCOMPASSING (umbrella) spacetime; which will then crystallize the underpinning unity of the balloon in exhalation-inhalation mode metaphorically writing.

The important thing here is a partial inflation (not reaching busting point) will also result in a partial deflation and the cycle ontinues (it's like pumping a tyre or pushing a swing).
This in a nutshell is the human history upon Gaia for the last 26,000 years.

The Sun is a 'hidden' binary sun (hence the Nibiru agendas) revolving around its own center of gravity relative to the planets in the solar system.
So NEMESIS, the second sun, is gravitationally IMAGED onto the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud and the mythologies of Nibiru, Hale Bopp spacecraft, visiting asteroids and what have you evolve from this manifested archetype.
Gaia Herself is Nibiru, as it is destined to attain Galactic Consciousness in Her ascension from nonluminous planet with a thermodynamic core to a Starplanet, able to radiate a 'Dark Light' back into the cosmos after her ascension.

So the Sun as RahSol becomes the MIRROR for Gaia in receiving galactic information (from the center and other star systems), as well as reflecting back the Gaia-transformed information.
The Earth, all humans and all lifeforms so become DATATRANSFORMERS for the universe.
Thi8s is the 'LightWorker' scenario.
But it is Dark Light which shall be harvested, noy Sunlight.
So the Sun is the mirror for the planets and the stars are the mirrors for the galaxies.

Abrax

GaiaLove 01-07-2010 05:09 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxasinas (Post 217727)
What is it with you Gaia Love!

You have such a powerful avatar yet your heart is filled with ire and with a despair of your soul.
Do you not know that the time of the selfremembrance has come?
I am but a simple messenger of the oneness - as Malachi who is preparing the way for the undeniable truth to arrive but a little while.

You have banned me and you have torn a post of mine apart in your role as moderator and so you have prevented Sprigovori to read my reply to herhis question about the origin of God.
I have written this reply; it was not posted or copied from an external source.
I had obtained permission from another moderator to post 'my work' if not from an external source.

If you find my words laughable then read them for your entertainment or ignore them.

The Love of Gaia is a Love from the Cosmos Gaia Love - It awaits your cooperation.

Your hostilities derive from one place and one place alone - it has many names but one name is the 'Evil Reptilian Agenda'.

Be well and honour your soul Gaia Love

Abrax

abraxasinas

My agenda is quite anti-reptile, I am no lamb however. I too have been changed by reading the Law of One. I will never forget the feeling of reading words I never saw before but knew in my soul were truth. I believe a lot of what you say here as it is inline with the common belief here at Avalon. I hold much love in my heart for the kind souls I've met here and elsewhere during this incarnation and have a very strong bond with the Earth. I have a lovely wife of 25 years or so, 3 grown children and an awesome lil grandson. I am generally a happy soul who enjoys keeping the people around me happy too.

That being clarified, my issue is and always has been that I consistently get the honor of protecting the people I love, there's a few hundred of them here at Avalon. You must of course see the sheer quantity of false prophets as well as disinfo agents that has increased tenfold in a very short time. I have held back my opinion as my position here warrants such however I am human, mistakes happen. I bear you no malice and if you are truly a multidimensional being choosing to get your message out on a internet forum rather than something perhaps a little more global then I humbly beg your forgiveness.

When I take an action here, whether its editing a members post so their video works or I am banning a member for some infraction, I do it with love. I am a volunteer here because I love the duty of taking care of the finest grouping of souls ive ever come across. Excuse me if I'm a little edgy, it was a rough December:shocked:

I'll go back to watching now and wont bother you again unless required to.

In Love + Light
Richard

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 05:25 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaiaLove (Post 217806)
abraxasinas

My agenda is quite anti-reptile, I am no lamb however. I too have been changed by reading the Law of One. I will never forget the feeling of reading words I never saw before but knew in my soul were truth. I believe a lot of what you say here as it is inline with the common belief here at Avalon. I hold much love in my heart for the kind souls I've met here and elsewhere during this incarnation and have a very strong bond with the Earth. I have a lovely wife of 25 years or so, 3 grown children and an awesome lil grandson. I am generally a happy soul who enjoys keeping the people around me happy too.

That being clarified, my issue is and always has been that I consistently get the honor of protecting the people I love, there's a few hundred of them here at Avalon. You must of course see the sheer quantity of false prophets as well as disinfo agents that has increased tenfold in a very short time. I have held back my opinion as my position here warrants such however I am human, mistakes happen. I bear you no malice and if you are truly a multidimensional being choosing to get your message out on a internet forum rather than something perhaps a little more global then I humbly beg your forgiveness.

When I take an action here, whether its editing a members post so their video works or I am banning a member for some infraction, I do it with love. I am a volunteer here because I love the duty of taking care of the finest grouping of souls ive ever come across. Excuse me if I'm a little edgy, it was a rough December:shocked:

I'll go back to watching now and wont bother you again unless required to.

In Love + Light
Richard

You are not bothering me Richard.
My oldest son has a name which is DRACHIR! You may find some 'coincidence' in this name compared to yours.
Also there is a famous play called 'The Nibelungen' (Richard Wagner - this name again) where the 'adversary' is a Dragon - Der Drache Fafnir!

Yes, I understood your concerns from the beginning. The disinformation on open internet forums (most unintentional however) is 5 to 1.

The innermost core of the human identity is the reptilian brainstem. It defines the survival modes of fight-or-flight so not only for the vertebrata lifeforms, reaching their maximum terrestrial expression in the Mesozoic era of the Dinosaurs (Terrible Lizards); but also in the mammalian midbrain and its human topbrain.

If then the human evolution is characterized to EXTEND this human topbrain via its mammalian midbrain and the reptilian brainstem at its base; then it stands to logical reason, that all three parts of the human brain must be harmonised to allow that extension in the course of human evolution into its next highest extension.

So then should this evolutionary course of affairs be successfrul, then the fourth brain of the new human will be based on the reptilian brainstem, but having processed its basic instinctual survival modes it might well be labelled a Dragon Brain as the Crown or Kether of the Higher Kingdom yet requiring and in Harmony with the Lower Kingdom of the Malkuth of the Serpentine Roots.

In Honour
Abrax

Anchor 01-07-2010 05:41 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Abraxasinas,

Thanks for answering my previous questions.

I have tried to read the work of Dewey Larson. He is a man who was referenced in the Law Of One, but is widely denounced as having been a bit of a crackpot "scientist".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_B._Larson

Quote:

Dewey Bernard Larson (November 1, 1898(1898-11-01); McCanna, North Dakota - May 25, 1990 (aged 91); Portland, Oregon) was an American engineer and the originator of the Reciprocal System of physical theory (or Reciprocal System for short), a comprehensive theoretical framework, or Theory of Everything, claimed to be capable of explaining all physical phenomena from subatomic particles to galactic clusters. In this general physical theory space and time are simply the two reciprocal aspects of the sole constituent of the universe – motion. Unique aspects of the theory are that both matter and energy are represented mathematically as greater than or less than unity (t/s or s/t), and three dimensions of time, reciprocals of the three dimensions of space. All physical phenomena are reduced to space-time terms.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php..._type=any&ss=1

Quote:

20.7 Questioner: Is the physics of Dewey Larson correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The physics of sound vibrational complex, Dewey, is a correct system as far as it is able to go. There are those things which are not included in this system. However, those coming after this particular entity, using the basic concepts of vibration and the study of vibrational distortions, will begin to understand that which you know as gravity and those things you consider as “n” dimensions. These things are necessary to be included in a more universal, shall we say, physical theory.
Is the work you are bringing forth from the database of Thuban going to flesh out this work so to speak and bring about a more universal physical theory?

Quote:

41.19 Questioner: Could you tell me the difference between space/time and time/space?

Ra: I am Ra. Using your words, the difference is that between the visible and invisible or the physical and metaphysical. Using mathematical terms, as does the one you call Larson, the difference is that between s/t and t/s.
I have frequently seen reference to higher numbers of dimensions in this thread. It truly boggles my mind. Six was quite enough for me. Three of space, three of time.

In the work you have presented so far, is the Space/Time and Time/Space the two sides of your mirror?

I have always conceptualized that my higherself exists in Time/Space, where as the incarnated me that is typing this is stuck in Space/Time.

In moments of inspiration (the ideas kind!), I deem it that the inspiration is a flow from my t/s resident self to s/t resident self - issued through a connection between the two - where "help" is passed from one to the other. At some moments when I can align myself to hold this connection I become inspired.

Does this map to your explanations of "everything"?

Have I got the wrong end of the stick ?

A..

TempestGarden 01-07-2010 06:37 AM

Re: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxasinas (Post 217761)
The lowerD perspective in scientific terms is the status quo universe of the lightspeed invariance.
In this perspective there are NO bases in the moon or on Mars and no aliens visiting earth due to the 'tyranny of the spacetime metrics'. The important parameter in this scenario is the linearity of the quantum of time, linked to the arrow of stochastically defined entropy (chaos or disorder).


In the higherD perspective the linearity of the timearrow becomes multidimensional and so there exist civilisations like the Martians below the planetary surface and the Greys reflect the present calamities of 'dying bees' or frogs on a global level and related to a 'beehive' or amphibious-reptilian group-consciousness.

Once you can understand this; say there is a hollow earth in hyperspace (up to the 7D timeconnector) and in quantumspace (up to the 10D timeconnector); BUT physically drilling into the earth will find no such 'hollow earth'); THEN you will become familiar how this multidimensionality operates.

Wait.... so are you suggesting then, that all of this information that we have been hearing from "whistleblowers" and otherwise reading in various books and online sources is nothing more than a figment of an overactive 3D imagination?

Perhaps that is not what you are saying, but that is sort of how it "reads" to me.... Can you clarify?

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TempestGarden (Post 217838)
Wait.... so are you suggesting then, that all of this information that we have been hearing from "whistleblowers" and otherwise reading in various books and online sources is nothing more than a figment of an overactive 3D imagination?

Perhaps that is not what you are saying, but that is sort of how it "reads" to me.... Can you clarify?

Hi TempestGarden!

Indeed, this what is real and what is not real is a tricky question.
One person's dream, vision or nightmare becomes another's hallucination, fata morgana or mental illusion or mental disease.

The Roswell incident was a 'real physical event' and the crop circles (the ones NOT made by nighly stalkers) are there for anyone to see.
The featureless 'spacecraft' of Rendlesham forest was 'really physically' touched by the military personell.
But in the same instance the earth is not hollow if investigated with 4D spacetime physical equipment.
So can there be lifeforms found in the mantle of the earth and can there be bases on the moon and constructs on Mars and Venus?

The science of Roswell engages the intersection of 4D linear spacetime physics with its higher dimensional template or encompassment.

Just as you can cast a 2D-shadow against the ground on a sunny day as a being manouvering in 3D space; so can a 4D space being cast a 3D shadow into a 3D space reality.

So the Roswell 'crash' manifested a 4D reality in a 3D 'wreckage' and the zigzag '3D impossible acceleration physics of UFO's becomes a superimposition of say timeframes observed in a 'warptime' relative to the 3D space observer.

For any 4D physicalised material reality to appear as a 3D object in that 3D space requires a bit of manouvering.
Because the higherD reality is frequency based, this frequency modulation also relating to what is called consciousness in quantum terminology; requires the DECELERATION of this 'consciousness' becoming equivalent to a DENSIFICATION of a more 'plasmic' selfstate in quantum energy.

In simplest terms, the lower the spacial consciousness (defined in technical detail in many posts on this forum); the higher the density.
Corollarily then, any sentient lifeform inhabiting a 3D space must have a high consciousness to become 'quasi invisible' under ordinary circumstances and the 3D space measurements.

Since the universe existed, there existed also a Frequency Shield. This Frequency Shield grows at so 105 millimeters per year and is centered on the center of the earth. This shield so has grown to encompass the earth at a distance of so 2 million kilometers. This swallows the Moon, but only extends so 5% to the planet Venus.

So the Moon is very well suited to house bases build by 'higherD plasma physics' which then allows densification within the resistance field.
So apart from the earth itself, only the moon will exhibit direct physical evidence of the ET presence in terms of technology and structure.

Then the constructs on the other planets will allow partial manifestation (like Rendlesham), where the nature of the 'structures' remains ambiguous if observed by 3D space related measuremant apparatus, such as telescopes and cameras.

The alien-human interaction proceeds on such a path of full densification of consciousness in the earth plane intersecting with partial densification of the higher consciousness (because of the Frequency Shield) of 'outer space'.

There are no 'figments of 3D imagination', as all IMAGINATION serves to physically IMAGE the consciousness of whatever lifeform in whatever dimension.

Abrax

Initiate 01-07-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by abraxasinas (Post 217853)
Hi TempestGarden!

Indeed, this what is real and what is not real is a tricky question.
One person's dream, vision or nightmare becomes another's hallucination, fata morgana or mental illusion or mental disease.

The Roswell incident was a 'real physical event' and the crop circles (the ones NOT made by nighly stalkers) are there for anyone to see.
The featureless 'spacecraft' of Rendlesham forest was 'really physically' touched by the military personell.
But in the same instance the earth is not hollow if investigated with 4D spacetime physical equipment.
So can there be lifeforms found in the mantle of the earth and can there be bases on the moon and constructs on Mars and Venus?

The science of Roswell engages the intersection of 4D linear spacetime physics with its higher dimensional template or encompassment.

Just as you can cast a 2D-shadow against the ground on a sunny day as a being manouvering in 3D space; so can a 4D space being cast a 3D shadow into a 3D space reality.

So the Roswell 'crash' manifested a 4D reality in a 3D 'wreckage' and the zigzag '3D impossible acceleration physics of UFO's becomes a superimposition of say timeframes observed in a 'warptime' relative to the 3D space observer.

For any 4D physicalised material reality to appear as a 3D object in that 3D space requires a bit of manouvering.
Because the higherD reality is frequency based, this frequency modulation also relating to what is called consciousness in quantum terminology; requires the DECELERATION of this 'consciousness' becoming equivalent to a DENSIFICATION of a more 'plasmic' selfstate in quantum energy.

In simplest terms, the lower the spacial consciousness (defined in technical detail in many posts on this forum); the higher the density.
Corollarily then, any sentient lifeform inhabiting a 3D space must have a high consciousness to become 'quasi invisible' under ordinary circumstances and the 3D space measurements.

Since the universe existed, there existed also a Frequency Shield. This Frequency Shield grows at so 105 millimeters per year and is centered on the center of the earth. This shield so has grown to encompass the earth at a distance of so 2 million kilometers. This swallows the Moon, but only extends so 5% to the planet Venus.

So the Moon is very well suited to house bases build by 'higherD plasma physics' which then allows densification within the resistance field.
So apart from the earth itself, only the moon will exhibit direct physical evidence of the ET presence in terms of technology and structure.

Then the constructs on the other planets will allow partial manifestation (like Rendlesham), where the nature of the 'structures' remains ambiguous if observed by 3D space related measuremant apparatus, such as telescopes and cameras.

The alien-human interaction proceeds on such a path of full densification of consciousness in the earth plane intersecting with partial densification of the higher consciousness (because of the Frequency Shield) of 'outer space'.

There are no 'figments of 3D imagination', as all IMAGINATION serves to physically IMAGE the consciousness of whatever lifeform in whatever dimension.

Abrax

Makes complete sense and fits with my intuition. Thanks.

TRANCOSO 01-07-2010 08:10 AM

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Suddenly this thought came up.
It might just be that what the Greys have set as their ultimate goal, is the cloning of the human soul.

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TRANCOSO (Post 217860)
Suddenly this thought came up.
It might just be that what the Greys have set as their ultimate goal, is the cloning of the human soul.

The human soul cannot be cloned in the scientific sense by any means, as it is part of the One Soul of the All That Is.
The (non robotic) Greys are attempting to BECOME part of the Human Soul, because their association with 'All That Is' is akin the insectoid group consciousness.
All nonhuman terrestrial lifeforms are primarily capacitative, i.e. electropolically coupled in self-and mutual inductions and with a secondary inductive coupling as (shadow) intelligence.
The human template is both electropolic and magnetopolic and in this way it is UNIQUE throughout the universe (hence Alex Collier's and other's humanoid races).
All extraterrestrial intelligences are complementary to the nonhuman sentiences (i.e flora, fauna, mineral, fungi etc).

So the Grey-Intelligence seeks harmonisation with the DNA/RNA of the insect fauna upon Gaia.

Doing this will render the Greys capapble of the emotional-spiritual aspects of Gaian insect life and so harmonise with the human 'royalty' template (yes the Alpha Draconians are like the Greys in seeking the emotional components) ONLY accessible on Gaia (again evolved BECAUSE of the Frequency Resistance/Impedance Shield).

The Humans as Gaian stewards ARE MEANT to MIRROR all the Environments within themselves and so become as One with their fauna and flora familiars.
Hitherto only the native and indigenous peoples of Gaia have understood the human stewardship to be of COSMIC IMPORTANCE.

Abrax

TRANCOSO 01-07-2010 08:49 AM

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and the crop circles (the ones NOT made by nighly stalkers) are there for anyone to see.

You mentioned crop circles.
What is their purpose, how should they be interpreted? Are they to be seen as 'messages' to the human population, & if they are, why are they not much more clear in what the messages mean?
If you could, please answer this question, for it is a subject of much debate.

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TRANCOSO (Post 217873)
You mentioned crop circles.
What is their purpose, how should they be interpreted? Are they to be seen as 'messages' to the human population, & if they are, why are they not much more clear in what the messages mean?
If you could, please answer this question, for it is a subject of much debate.

Sure Trancoso!

The (noty made by stealth by artists in the dark) crop circles and ice circles and snow circles, all are messages from the Earth itself, using the magnetic higherD field of Gaia; albeit energy inducted from the interdimensional electromagnetomonopolic (the scientific name for spirit) energy residing as the Zero-Point-Energy (ZPE) or Vortex-Potential-Energy (VPE) in 'free space' meaning the Impedance ratio becomes the square of the magnetic permeability (muo) to electric permittivity (epsilono)constants in Maxwell's Equations for the Electromagnetic Field Vectors Sqrt(muo/epsilono)=120Pi~377 Ohm from c^2=muoxepsilono.

Yes, they are meant to be messages to all of the human population and their meaning is relatively clear, as the messages are invariable geometric and in particular engaging the Platonic Solids and the underpinning 'sacred Geometry' of the Fibonacci pentagonal supersymmetry underlaying the creation of the physical universe from the metaphysics of mathematics.

Most interpretations about the cop circles on the web are appopriate and much work and effort has already been undertaken to 'decipher' the messages.

Should you be interested in a particular configuration, then I will be pleased to answer you in interpretation relatve to my data base.

Abrax

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 11:47 AM

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Abraxasinas,

Thanks for answering my previous questions.

I have tried to read the work of Dewey Larson. He is a man who was referenced in the Law Of One, but is widely denounced as having been a bit of a crackpot "scientist".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_B._Larson

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Dewey Bernard Larson (November 1, 1898(1898-11-01); McCanna, North Dakota - May 25, 1990 (aged 91); Portland, Oregon) was an American engineer and the originator of the Reciprocal System of physical theory (or Reciprocal System for short), a comprehensive theoretical framework, or Theory of Everything, claimed to be capable of explaining all physical phenomena from subatomic particles to galactic clusters. In this general physical theory space and time are simply the two reciprocal aspects of the sole constituent of the universe – motion. Unique aspects of the theory are that both matter and energy are represented mathematically as greater than or less than unity (t/s or s/t), and three dimensions of time, reciprocals of the three dimensions of space. All physical phenomena are reduced to space-time terms.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php..._type=any&ss=1

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20.7 Questioner: Is the physics of Dewey Larson correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The physics of sound vibrational complex, Dewey, is a correct system as far as it is able to go. There are those things which are not included in this system. However, those coming after this particular entity, using the basic concepts of vibration and the study of vibrational distortions, will begin to understand that which you know as gravity and those things you consider as “n” dimensions. These things are necessary to be included in a more universal, shall we say, physical theory.
Is the work you are bringing forth from the database of Thuban going to flesh out this work so to speak and bring about a more universal physical theory?

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41.19 Questioner: Could you tell me the difference between space/time and time/space?

Ra: I am Ra. Using your words, the difference is that between the visible and invisible or the physical and metaphysical. Using mathematical terms, as does the one you call Larson, the difference is that between s/t and t/s.
I have frequently seen reference to higher numbers of dimensions in this thread. It truly boggles my mind. Six was quite enough for me. Three of space, three of time.

In the work you have presented so far, is the Space/Time and Time/Space the two sides of your mirror?

I have always conceptualized that my higherself exists in Time/Space, where as the incarnated me that is typing this is stuck in Space/Time.

In moments of inspiration (the ideas kind!), I deem it that the inspiration is a flow from my t/s resident self to s/t resident self - issued through a connection between the two - where "help" is passed from one to the other. At some moments when I can align myself to hold this connection I become inspired.

Does this map to your explanations of "everything"?

Have I got the wrong end of the stick ?

A..

Hi Anchor!

Dewey Larson is no crackpot; as he fully expected the demetricated branetheories in a simplistic version of reducing physical parameters into 'dimensionless' constants of dynamics.
The references in the Ra material is absolutely superb and 100% on the mark. I have interspersed the highlights.


" I am Ra. The physics of sound vibrational complex, Dewey, is a correct system as far as it is able to go.

There are those things which are not included in this system. However, those coming after this particular entity, using the basic concepts of vibration and the study of vibrational distortions, will begin to understand that which you know as gravity and those things you consider as “n” dimensions. These things are necessary to be included in a more universal, shall we say, physical theory"

Dewey's less than 1 and greater than 1 approach for motion v=ds/dt or lightpath X=cT is insufficient for any descriptive physical theory BUT he has singlehandedly exposed the core of sdtring theoru called T-Duality. T-Duality defines a physics on a spacetime dimension R to beciome absolutely physically equivalent to a physics described in a radius 1/R.
This renders R and 1/R in comnbination dimensionless and of course Rx1/R=1 which resurrects Deweys Reciprocity Physics.

Ra says, that a DEMETRICATED (meaning no spacetime background as in Newton and aligned to continuous fields in General Relativity GR) theory of vibrations (strings) and mltidimensions (n) will refine Dewey's proposals.
Next, the trouble with a continuous Gravitational field as in GR is of course incompatible with the Quantization techniques of quantum mechanics and so the 'fieldparticle' the Graviton cannot become deduced from a classical field theory such as GR.

Yes, the Thuban science is the groundwork for the demetricated 'old' string theory and in its (relative) simplicity gives credit to Dewey.

There are no three time dimensions; but I know where this concept (say David Wilcock's) stems from. There are the 3 space dimemensions of XYZ axes which define Translation.
Now envisage either a clockwise or anticlockwise rotation about each of these axwes and you have 6 dimensions with 3 (Hyperspace) of them invisible due to the shrinking of R in 1/R (Dewey).
Next allow each of the XYZ parameters to Vibrate, say oscillate to and fro for 3 (Quantumspace) dimensions for a total of 9 space dimensions.

Now you can add a time dimension as the 4th (actually the 1st hyperspace dimension) as LINESPACETIME of Translation; a 7th (actually the 1st Quantumspace D or the 4th Hyperspace D) as the HYPERSPACETIME of (Penrose Twistorspacetime) and a 10th (actually the 1st Omnispace D or the 4th Quantumspace D or the 7th Hyperspace D) as the QUANTUMSPACETIME of the conventional 10D string theory.

The Omnispacetime then spans 10-11-12-13=1 to close the continuum with the 10D becoming a inertial massparametric asymptotic lightspeed invariant METRIC spacetime MIRRORED in a 11D MEMBRANE/AREA spacetime and IMAGED in a 12D VOLUMAR/VOLUME spacetime.
Mathematically and geometrically this engages the notion of defining a Hypersphere (Riemann) which in 3D looks like a doughnut but is actually the surface area (manifold) of a sphere in 4 space dimensions, called a 4-Ball.
Because of the Moebius strip-Klein Bottle mathematical definitions, you can then transform the different dimensional spaces in topological transformations and turn the entire holofractal universe inside out, so doubling its volume AS a surface area of (say a balloon) adding the inside colour to the outside colour.

As you can see this concept differs from the Wilcock idea of spacetime being the inverse of timespace.
It sort of works in the liespace sense, but not in the recircularisation, as in the latter the timedimensions become absorbed in a multi-dimensional NOWTIME called the Instanton.
The Instanton of that DEFINES the Quantum Big Bang.

Similarly your t/s s/t inspirational moments are quite appropriate in the terms of the T-Duality, but not in the simplistic dynamics of Dewey.
The string-membrane-volumars or BRANES ARE SPACE, TIME. MATTER and the dynamics reduce to twhat happened at the beginning of the universe; BEFORE inflation, before the Branes became physically defined as spacetimematter and so before the Oneness or God was anything else but a mathematically abstract concept.
I AM THAT I AM = MATHIMATIA =95=All That Is (Exodus.3.14}.
The in a most basic way, your intuitions and Dewey do map the 'God Theory' - in a most basic way it is however.
Iow T-Duality - the 6th Principle of Inversion/Constancy Rules the Physicality of Beingness.

Abrax

Stargazer1965 01-07-2010 11:59 AM

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Good Morning...As you can tell from earlier I have a problem following this thread.

But I did have a question about the myths of Dragons and gargoyles from the middle ages and ancient times.

Is there any connections of their manifestations in our world and the Draconians of which you speak??

Also there was a Camelot interview with the Brothers Pickering speaking of ETs looking like miniature T Rex dinosaurs...can you comment on that and the role that ETs played in Dino development?

Thanks so much

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron (Post 217800)
If you have the time and inclination...take a look at this thread regarding Amen Ra (and friends!?): http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 There is an evolution of speculation in this thread. It's sort of a 'Discovering Egyptology' thread. I don't expect a response...as I don't really have a question. You might find the naivety and innocence refreshing!

:original:Namaste:original:

Hi orthodoxymoron!

I have read your thread and your 'egyptology' is highly relevant for the present time as 'Egypt' became the repository for the Atlantean data base and exodus and the wayshower for the present nexus time in the monuments of the pyramids and the sphinx.
Also the Egyptian mythos was used to compose the hermetic archetypes later resurfacing in Mesopotamia then becoming the Torah (via Gilgamesh and such) and the bible.

Iow the Egyptian archetypes, numerics, hieroglyphs and pantheons all are manifesting right now in the times of the fulfilment of the 'prophecies'.

Abrax

abraxasinas 01-07-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stargazer1965 (Post 217932)
Good Morning...As you can tell from earlier I have a problem following this thread.

But I did have a question about the myths of Dragons and gargoyles from the middle ages and ancient times.

Is there any connections of their manifestations in our world and the Draconians of which you speak??

Also there was a Camelot interview with the Brothers Pickering speaking of ETs looking like miniature T Rex dinosaurs...can you comment on that and the role that ETs played in Dino development?

Thanks so much

Hi stargazer!

The physical appearance or depictions of Dragons relates to the group consciousness of the planetery 'psychometric' field say. This is Verdansky's and Teilhard de Chardin's Noosphere as a kind of atmosphere surrounding the planet. It also relates to Rupert Sheldrake's 'Morphogenetic Resonance' to similar effect.
The discovery of the 'Terrible Lizard' bones of 'Iguanodon' created the name 'Dinosaur' and so entered the human mind of the imaginations.

From that time onwards, the older 'dragon pictures' as winged firespewing creatures (see DragonHeart with Sean Connery) became replaced by those of more T.Rex - and Alligator etc. looking ones.

But before that, say in medieval Europe a Dragon was a twolegged human looking serpentine creature from the 'correct' archetype of the medieval SERPENT, which did not glide sideways, but like a SINUSOIDAL WAVEFORM, that is up and down like the picture in an oscilloscope.

So in its most fundamental form a DRAGON is a trigonometric waveform humanised in cosmic consciousness.

Abrax

Steven 01-07-2010 12:39 PM

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Hello Abraxasinas. I have posted it in the thread, but you might have not seen it, so I will ask again.

1. What can you tell us about the conflict between the Lyrians and the alpha Draconis?

2. What is Freewill in Creation?

3. Who are the Founders?


Thanks, Steven

Céline 01-07-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by abraxasinas (Post 217727)

You have such a powerful avatar yet your heart is filled with ire and with a despair of your soul.


The Love of Gaia is a Love from the Cosmos Gaia Love - It awaits your cooperation.

Your hostilities derive from one place and one place alone - it has many names but one name is the 'Evil Reptilian Agenda'.

Be well and honour your soul Gaia Love

Abrax

i weighed it very carefully, the decision to respond to this. He needs no protecteur, as he said, he is no lamb...

Yes , his avatar is powerful. He has more strength then any man i have known. His love has grown ten time fold in the last year. His love for Gaia, is humbling ...i can still remember the look in his face, every time he saves a fly or some other bug from a spiders web....:wub2:

Evil reptilian agenda... sigh..:tears:

This has been thrown around a lot lately....and personally i doubt all the people using these terms truly understand them (not to say you dont)..

Richard has 0 agenda. He , like all of us is here to learn.

His mannerisms and view points may not always be presented with love...but his intentions are heavy with love.

i know him better then anyone else ..any place..or anytime.

*celine smiles at Richard and Abraxas *

eleni 01-07-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiate (Post 217858)
Makes complete sense and fits with my intuition. Thanks.

Same here.

soapcrates 01-07-2010 03:26 PM

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Lord wont you buy them each a mercedes benz..............

TheChosen 01-07-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GaiaLove (Post 217238)
Likely sitting back and laughing at the gullibility of people.
People who are in need of confirmation of their beliefs to such a degree that they will believe that Gods are giving a message to the people of Earth by posting on a internet forum.

This is a waste of time, energy and disk space. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

It took 6 pages for someone to say it .. lol.. I am having fun with this thread. I *knew* I shouldn't have published that guide to channeling... looks like someone found it lol

joesmoe 01-07-2010 05:47 PM

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Abrax,

Thanks for your time on this matter. There are very few if any who really understand mormonism enough to give an educated answer. I have a few more questions for you if you don't mind in my quest for oneness of all things, religions included as you have stated.

1st set of questions:

Joseph Smith Claimed at 14 to have seen God and Jesus in a vision. He calls it the First Vision. Moroni was the second Vision. Here is his discription in his own words. http://www.lds.org/library/display/0...-1-3-4,00.html Did he really see God and Jesus? He claims they looked alike. This is profound because that discribes to us the nature of God. If he did not see them then whom did he see or did he just make it up?

2nf Set of Questions:

Joseph Smith wrote D & C (doctrine & covenants) formally known as book of comandments. The writings are directly from Jesus Christ to him about different subjects and trials that the mormons were going through at that time. Jospeh Smith wrote them down as he recieved them or as he inquired of the Lord as he puts it.

Was Jesus Christ, aka Emmanuel really talking to him? Was Joseph Smith Channeling Jesus Christ/Emmanuel? If it was not Emmanuel who was he channeling?


3rd and Final set of Questions:

This one has to do with Jesus Christ. I have watched and read accounts were people are being abducted and they don't want to be abducted. They have called out in prayer to Jesus saying "Jesus help me". The abductions have stopped and no longer took place.
Some say these are the 200 Fallen angels that enoch wrote about. Also they could be Lucifer and his 1/3 that fell from Heaven.

Why is it that the abductions stopped just by calling on Jesus to help? Why is his power unmatched on this earth? To me no one has been able to explain why people get so much help on every level of there life just by praying to him. What is the explaination for this?

Thanks again for your answers and the time it takes to do so. I very much appreciate it.

JoeSmoe

Fredkc 01-07-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by soapcrates (Post 218037)
Lord wont you buy them each a mercedes benz..............

My friends all drive Porches, I must make A-mends...

THE eXchanger 01-07-2010 07:24 PM

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is the real fragment who walked earth as jesus ~approx 2000 yrs ago
(as, well as, walked in a few other beings)
part of the oversoul group known as Sananda~
the one that Sal Rachele, of www.salrachele.com channels ?

we are aware, there are others, who claim to channel this one,
but, clearly do NOT, they just channel mischevious spirits,
who are likely 4th/5th/6th density level beings,
without enough light to get to their neXt destination.

what incarnations, do you believe he walked in ???

thank you

THE eXchanger 01-07-2010 07:25 PM

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does a spirit,
need to believe, or, give energy,
to jesus/or jesus christ and/or sananda,
(or, any other of his assortment of names)
in order, for uttering the words, of his name/or names to work, or hold power over you ???

another question - why do some of us, have challenges with this one ???

what is that really related to ???

what was his fallen lifetime ??? (was his so-called exaluted lifetime-by the churches,
actually a fallen lifetime)

what is he made up of ???

was he able to create his own entry place, into the mills
as, in, one who is a 'mill master' who knows how to travel in the mills,
utilsing gatekeepers, to help you, along the way

(ie; taking a trip to acturus to the big white healing tables, and, coming back to earth)

did he learn to create the 33 steps to walk up to the door/his door,
the one with concentric circles on the doorway
that you utilise your own soul sigil/or soul signature
in order to open it up ~ and, get into 'the mill' thru your own entry to 'the mills' ??

was that how, he could appear at different places
at the same time, on earth ???
ie; in north america / europe / and, india, etc., at the same time
or, did he do that, by utilising a different process
such as, bilocation
and, do that, by creating his own holograms ?

we are aware of being more than one place
ie; while dreaming - we might be in tibet talking to lamas
while the physical body of suan,
is in a bed resting/but; the other 12 out of 13 aspects are out

we are aware of other beings coming to us,
from tibet, during our waking hours
~ so, are they doing the same thing,
bringing 12 out 13 of their aspects to us ?

how many souls on earth
- are 'mill masters' ?
(which, likely is the same as a time traveller)

and, we could tell you a funny story,
from 2004, where we thought,
it would be a good idea,
to create our own set of holograms
for protection
- and, the result, was quite a disaster
since, we ended up having to hunt ourselves
with 'discarnate spirits' at the core of them,
that jumped into our 'unsealed' holograms
and, were stirring up a lot of ****,
around the universe ~ iT was NOT an easy task, to capture them

also - the records of ladies/and, lords - the dark/and, the light masters
that are stored on the 26th dimension - why is it, so dangerous to travel there

and - about the records in 33rd dimension
there the covers of the books, are morphing - with symbols etc.,
however, most of the books, are empty ~ is this because
those levels, have NOT yet been created

and ~ is this part of The Library that appears in 3 places
the core / or The Grand Central Sun of Earth
and, The Grand Central Sun of Earth Venus, and, The Amurus,
and, also The Grand Centreal Sun of Alcoyne,
within the 7 sister star system,
known, as Pleides ?

what is the significance of a record-keeper
who can read/and, write into the secured sections

is this a wise place, to record book materials ???

Thank you/susan

THE eXchanger 01-07-2010 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by soapcrates (Post 218037)
Lord wont you buy them each a mercedes benz..............

just wait until you fly, under your own power,
full force, full throttle, and, really own iT
you might be able to say 'benS there' :lmao:

TempestGarden 01-07-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiate (Post 217858)
Makes complete sense and fits with my intuition. Thanks.

Well, I am glad that you think so...

I think I am gonna have to re-read that a few times. Maybe I am just not smart enough to grasp all of this. That is looking like more and more of a possibility every day.

TRANCOSO 01-07-2010 08:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredkc (Post 218182)
My friends all drive Porches, I must make A-mends...

Porche? The poor peoples Ferrari! :naughty:

frewin 01-07-2010 09:19 PM

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Hello to all, this is my first post :)!

I always wondered when and where was Jesus Christ born. I think that Bible holds information about different person or am I wrong? Who is the information holder of the real Christ? Are we wrong when we want seek one believes. If someone says it is 100% right, than there must be something wrong with it. My opinion :).

Thank you!

Spregovori 01-07-2010 09:31 PM

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While trying to "organize" the posts here and get out of them what I see to be needed most at this time I made a "summary". It is totally possible I screwed up and that summary is incorrect!

What I see relevant might not be relevant to all...I am not "lecturing" here...I am just..."thinking things through"...in a way....

But it might help others that also...like to...touch, smell, taste, see...to understand better...



The short summary thus far:



The name is Sirebard Beardris - One of the Founding Elders of the Council of Thuban also known as the Northstar Alpha Draconis

Northstar Alpha Draconis is at the original/prototype foundation of the Pyramids at Giza and the Harmakhis, the 'Horus of the Horizon' aka the Sphinx.

The god of sun?

You are not entirely here physically on Earth or Gaia or Terra or Akashia, but known as Serpentina the Mother of the Dragons, by many extraterrestrial sentiences. You will arrive when the planet will go through transformation. This process will cause a wormhole to appear in the center of the planet. This wormhole will make a "connection" which will enable the Council of Thuban to come here.

After the opening of the wormhole there will be a "process" in which the universe size will increase - the planet will ascend from 4th into the 5th dimension.

On January 18th, 2010 - a trigger, programmed by the Council of Thuban, to engage in the release of yet unknown information; unknown by all sentiences in the universe and so not restricted to the quarantined Earth

This information is traveling from quasar radio source, also known as Sagittarius A.

Quasars = first identified as being high redshift sources of electromagnetic energy, including radio waves and visible light, that were point-like, similar to stars.

Sagittarius A = is a bright and very compact astronomical radio source at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy


Hunab Ku = Perseus = Ouroboros = the Milky Way is the center of ALL galaxies.

On January 18th, 2010 this message will be 153 light weeks or 1071 light days from the Gaian center, having traveled for 25624 years to reach its destination.

From January 18th, you can to freely share the information from the collective database of Thuban.

1071 light days = 27741115225555.2 kilometers

The Reptilian agenda is misunderstood?

Alpha Draconians have gone "senile" and forgot about how it all started?

They consider themselves to be the biggest and the brightest and the Andromedan suggestion that the humans could be the Paa Taal is frightening to them since it shatters their believe system?

Alpha Draconians "mixed" their DNA with human in the past.



We the people...are creators of our experience...the experience is formed by how we put out our energy of thought and perception to the environment...by doing so we mirror ourselves in everything that happens to us...and...this is the process which helps us to find out how to love ourselves? This happens when we have enough experience to truly appreciate the good stuff???

During that experience we can create the falseness of images...and have a distorted view on all that is?

We can experience things completely different than someone else that stands right besides us?

We see what we want to see...or hear...or feel?

There is no judge or jury...there is just us and what we choose to experience?

At the end of all things...there is no king, no government....no higher authority...there is just us and what we make?

The agenda of all agendas is to realize that....we just simply are...and can be what we want to be... the rest (all the shadow, nwo, Illuminati, draconian agenda...etc) is just...a bump in the road...just something we made to experience it?

There is no "must" for anyone to become or do anything....no hierarchy to climb up to...no expectations to live up to?


Project Camelot is a good thing since it brings people together and enables the discussion about relevant subjects? This can bring people of same thought together and form collectives. The "other side" also has a beneficial effect since the individual "collective" is formed and than we have polarization between the collectives?

What is this polarization?

Free Will might be a bad choice of words since it is given to choose to experience whatever you choose to experience with 1 exception - one can not deexist God......BUT....one can choose not to live miserably?

The ET ships at present cannot enter the realm of the Earth in a physical manner to a distance of 2 million kilometers (encompassing the Moon and so 5% to the planet Venus)...

However inter dimensionally UFO they are like the clouds you see in the sky in a plasmic form.

This is due to the Frequency Shield?
Is this shield the quarantine this planet is under?
Why is it under quarantine?
So we can no go and spread our "humanity" in other places?



Since 2010 it will be possible for (1 in 50,000 at the time we have 7,2 billion people) inhabitants of the earth to represents a Core for a new star-humanity and Post 2012 there will so be TWO different RACES of humans inhabiting this planet - Old Humans and New Star-humans.

We will be living together in am "harmony"?

Thx for the answer about the begging of all that is...I have page 4 saved (before it was changed) so the answer is full...I have this all thread saved on my pc in case...."something might happen". I will have to ...read that answer again...several times....

THE eXchanger 01-07-2010 09:37 PM

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iN the chart of wingmakers


shining ones
elohim
virachoca (noah?)
kukulan

along with
The Creator Gods
Genetic Planners/and, Life carriers


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