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I have come across this lovely chap, Tony Parsons.

Much like Krishnamurti, and much to do with all our investigations here imo.

http://www.theopensecret.com/audio1.htm#audio

The Open Secret communication can only point to the simple wonder of being, and attempt to illuminate the futility of seeking for it. It does not accept or reject the teachings of spiritual path or process but it will expose, without compromise, the singular and fundamental misconception that drives the belief that there is something called a seeker that needs to find something else called enlightenment.

http://www.theopensecret.com/

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That's what the spiritual path is: a seeker (a soul) realising the enlightenment of spiritual Selfhood. Krishnamurti and Tony Parsons are mistaken if they believe there is no seeker, no path and no enlightenment. It takes a lot more than an unbidden experience of Oneness to prove that there is no path and no seeker. I think they're both jumping to the wrong conclusion about the journey. There is a goal and one must be fit for it.

The Christ presence may fill the soul with the realisation of Oneness to kickstart the road back and remind the soul of it's origin in spirit but to then assume from that experience that there is no seeker and no path is a fundamental misconception.

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I disagree with you most wholeheartedly!

Please to investigate further, especially Krishnamurti - Christ would approve.

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Krishnamurti was not enlightened. Jesus was.

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Ah. This shall be another most excellent stand-off. My binoculars are picked.

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Thank you for the link Dayzero. It led me to Conscious.tv which has some marvelous video interviews. There are three sections....healing, consciousness and psychology which each have several videos!

Just a thought.... who is to say who is enlightened and who is not? Not I....a mere mortal.

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> Krishnamurti was not enlightened. Jesus was.

I refer you to my previous post!

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p.s. - it's not a competition! lol

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i thought tony parsons was a tv critic ???:shocked:

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If you expect to be taken seriously, I suggest a little more elaboration and debate rather than sweeping "doctrinal" statements - especially when bagging the likes of J Krishnamurti.

Mind you if you cannot understand or agree with what the original post was all about, then you probably wont understand this post either.

A..

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In reality there is no seeker no path no goal
How could there be a seeker seeking the sought after when Reality is only One

Apparently there is the seeker the path and the goal when unenlightened
Enlightenment reveals Reality as One - seeker path and goal as One

99.99% of the people in the world lives in the apparent reality where ignorance and confusion prevails - also all the people who say All is One are in the dark - Release is only direct permanent experience of Reality

So few and precious are the souls that actually trancendes apparent reality and lives in Real Oneness - Such Souls resembles God

How to evolve and resemble God...? Everyone gets what he wants or deserves ...If you did not transcend yet you did not want it bad enough...!

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I have to agree with you Kathleen.

Who is to say whom is enlightment ?

Jesus for sure but I have come across so many others and I am still searching as they all have their own lesson to teach us all

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Hear hear. There's something to that.

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:thumb_yello:

without reading the books in the entirety law of one. merely have glanced at it. the thought of one intrigues me. I have always thought that we are all god. broken up into tiny pieces. put us all together. and its a collective. wholeness. all our information gos to one place. creating for lack of a better word. god. I think were taught that were in it for ourselves, separate to keep us in the matrix. when the truth is were all in it together. as one. so I'm anxious to read this book. ra law of one. I could be way off base. but that's my gut talking, for most of my life.

there has been enough bickering on who is right with religion. I could care less what one believes. as long as one is on a spiritual path. that will eventually lead to one, in my book. I just wish one day we can get over this religion thing and start focusing on the one that counts. religion divides us all. end of story.

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Hear Hear Dadon Take a bough LOL

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Where is the doctrine?

You are defending Krishnamurti. Do you understand him? If so please elaborate.

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Just a thought:
Realization is the dispelling of the illusion that we are disconnected, the lifting of our own fog; so to speak. The grip of our dissatisfaction comes from within and it is the lifting of our own self imposed illusion that sets us free. We are already realized beings, imbedded with light and the gift of all that is. The veil that keeps us from seeing is our own. We are already there to begin with. Unlearn.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

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Well said Anchor.

I'm loving the Tony Parsons audio files, absolutely fantastic [yeah it does sound like someone else, perhaps there'll be an enlightened version of Julie Burchill soon, although I fear not.]

Dagon you really must read the handbooks, go and download the first one and start reading! oh, go on!
You will find great writing on exactly what you are expressing......beautiful fragmented holographic parts of the whole.

I leave you with a quote from the beautiful Jiddu;

"there is the difficulty that one's brain functions in old habits, like a gramophone record playing the same tune over and over again.

While the noise of that tune, of that habit is going on, one is not capable of listening to anything new......."

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¤ The next version of my post is better!

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Good you have your binoculars, Czymra! I am jumping in. SPLASH

The term 'An Unbidden Experience of Oneness' is very derogatory term for what is our birthright. You are suggesting that there is a right and a wrong time to experience Oneness!

Time is an illusion, and whithout time there is no distance and no separation.

I have just listened to the first video with Tony Parsons, 'Longing for Wholeness'. It brings a deep sense of recognition.

It reminds me of many wonderful teachers along my way.

Krishamurti was one of them, a paradoxical teacher: He said you do not need a teacher. Just be, you find it all within. Yet he published book after book, lectured for many years and left a lot of video taped sessions.

We are in an illusionary reality, yet it is a perfect illusion that feels totally real. We are here to experience, and that is how it was planned.

In truth we never left Oneness. A gentle shift of perception is all it takes to be there - in the Oneness, in Love.

Christ is not enlightened. Enlightenment suggests a move from being unenlightened to becoming enlightened. Christ IS the Light and the Void, as one in the trinity of Father/Mother God of All-Oneness is. Christ was the first issue, the first to manifest created reality. He has incarnated many times. As 'sys adm' he has tended to subtle tasks of adjustment when the rest of us have become too lost in the illusion.

It is ok to become immersed. It is ok to become such good actors on a stage that we are 'lost' in the play.

It is also totally ok to remember that it is a play, and that we never left the larger Reality.

The only difference between Tony Parsons teachings and my deepest source is that in the Oneness of Love we still have individuality. We may not see alike, also in the larger reality. That is because there was a first birth in the Oneness, when we were given individual consciousness. It is like the drops in the ocean, totally immersed in the whole, yet being the molecules that comprise the quality of water.

Good teachers merely remind us: You Never Left.

Peace

It is also ok if you choose this :lightsabre:

But this is a bit gross :wall: I'd rather go for this :cup::cup:

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Ah. I always figured that the paradox between dark and light is the one true thing. Never knew how to really apply that concept though.
Nevertheless, I like the system admin parable. It resounds with the ideas in James' discourses regarding "if you were god, wouldn't you make sure everything sorts itself out? To ensure it you'd have to make a damn good learning program. Preferably one that learns itself." [Paraphrased in my understanding.]
Is the universe evasive? I better run my cronjobs now. (hrhr)

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Experiencing Is learning. But we need to learn nothing to Be in Oneness and Love. Just allow it.

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You know, I heard that so many times but I don't think I get it.

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No one knows for sure that Jesus existed in the first place :)

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I did not talk about Jesus, I talked about Christ as one of the Trinity that is the All-Oneness: Mother/Father/Offspring (Christ + Creation). The incarnation of Jesus Christ is surrounded by uncertainty as to details. All we know is that he did not come to found yet another religion, just to give high teachings and BE among us. Edgar Cayce talks about one incarnation of Christ being that of 'Andor'. I cannot name others, I have just been told that there have been several.

Many high teachings resulted in new religious doctrines,- in religions that stagnated into dogma. This made it necessary to refresh the teachings. These teachings are perceived to show us the way home. This is how we perceive it in illusion.

We experience and learn in time and space. Since time itself is an illusion, there is no space, thus no distance to our Oneness in Love. When illusion gives way to Reality, we are There even if we still are incarnated here.

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Agreed. But what is this fog? This inner dissatisfaction? This veil? Does it have substance? If so, it cannot be simply denied. It has to be acknowledged and identified. As a substantial part of our own being it must be dealt with in some way.

The 'fog' is not merely a miss-entrainment of the mind which fails to be present in the moment. It is not merely a mind untrained in the meditative art of focussing on the present.

The 'veil' is an 'energy-veil' also known as 'e-vil'. It is the 'fog' of negative energy - the lower vibrational energies of fear, hatred, resentment, a sense of injustice, self pity, vanity, jealousy, etc, most of which is subconscious - which distorts the personal energy field and blocks the soul's conscious realisation of the higher- Self. By acknowledging personal 'evil', rather than denying it's influence, i am acknowledging the concept of the 'quality' and 'value' of self created energy patterns. In order to transform consciousness our personal mental and emotional patterns need to be discerned and identified from the POV of spirit. In that way they can be excised, transformed and re-integrated in spirit.

In the process, the soul's job is to allow the spirit to perform it's perfect work of transforming the outer patterns which block deeper levels of realisation. Spirit will not transmute into light that which we fail to identify as darkness. The chakras and finer bodies are the 'vessels' of spirit and these must be 'cleansed' in order to better 'house' a greater portion of the higher- Self in all planes. The more harmoniously resonant the soul is (in matter) with the spiritual- Self (in spirit) the more it will magnetise spirit into matter. I've identified 'negative' energy or 'evil' in this equation because it's substance can be transmuted by spirit which flows in meditation over the arc of spiritual attunement. If we accomodate on any pretext the dark, negative aspects of the psyche we will not succeed in the realisation of perfect Oneness.

Personal energy is that quantity which flows through each lifestream and which we each impress with the patterns of our own mind and emotions. If that energy is qualified lovingly through a clear lens (a clear personal energy field) then it blesses all and rises back to it's spiritual origin as intended. If that energy is misqualified through a distorted personal lens then it remains in the material planes as personal karmic responsibility. So in some way we must deal with these negative energies that are acted upon by the gravitational pull of the lower planes and which keep us earth bound until they're balanced. These energies have substance and mass and all substance must be brought back into vibrational alignment with the spiritual source from whence it originates. The karmic state of an individual varies from person to person. One has a heavy karmic load while another is less burdened. Our personal sojourn in materiality determined this. What have we each made of our allotment of energy and consciousness? How distorted has the lens of personal consciousness (the chakras and subtle bodies) become as a result of misqualifying God's energy?

So it is more than brainwaves we seek to transcend. A fall in consciousness has happened to virtually everyone who incarnates on earth and it has snowballed into a downward spiral for aeons to the point where now only a trickle of spiritual energy flows through each individual lifestream, more or less according to the degree of individual self discipline and self awareness. This state of poverty consciousness is indeed an illusion and it can be proven so. But to do so we must acknowledge the illusion as the energetic effect of abusing the flow of God's energy through us. Ignorance is a created effect which can be uncreated by the perception of it's cause.

To 'lift' this self imposed illusion (as you put it) we must allow the spirit to 'lift' the vibrationally fallen aspects of the psyche. That means surrendering the aspects of lower consciousness we've identified. To do that we must re-establish conscious awareness of the inner-Self and surrender to IT. Meditation is an important way to let go of the attachment to the mental and emotional distortions which are constantly thrown up by the subconscious regions of the personal energy field. In the stillness the arc is re-established between the soul and it's spiritual source and spiritual light energy can flow into the dark distortions of consciousness and transform them.

Human beings are multidimensional and are embedded with the spiritual 'circuitry' to realise spiritual-Selfhood but most have not. Yes a part of Self is already there and yes the 'energy veil' is self created. But we must not confuse the goal with the path of Self- realisation. We must prove it with every step.

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Wait a second. Rather, let me ask this (and I promise it's the last time guys):
You say that a 'clean lens' is a lens of 'positivity' while a 'distorted lens' is 'negativity'. Am I getting this right?
If so, where has the balance gone? Is it just transmuting the negative in us into positive and here we go?
It still just doesn't seem right to assume that the divine is only accessed through the positive spectrum. (Not that I like accessing it through the negative... then again how would I know.)

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Perhaps the entire idea of "positive and negative" is a veil unto itself?:wink2:
Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

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Well posted Josefine!

Perhaps some of you should do as she's done and actually listen to the audio, as that's what i intented the post to be about - i find he's a very good speaker and have been listening quite a bit on my mp3. truly hilarious [so often the case when one encounters 'truth']

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I am nothing learning everything.
And it goes ooooooooooooooon
n ooooooooooooon n on .
Magnificent .
Good thread.
Bring it on.

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Hi Josefine. I'm not suggesting theres a right or wrong time to experience Oneness. The point i am making has nothing to do with timing. I'm saying that just because the experience of Oneness comes out of the blue - ie. there is no discernable reason for it like meditating or praying or whatever doesnt mean there is no path and no goal. The first experience comes to give the soul an appetite for spiritual communion.... it's first conscious taste perhaps in this lifetime. Hopefully the experience will teach the soul the difference between the spiritual Self and the more familiar vibration of the lower aspects of the psyche so that true discernment can begin. In the experience of Oneness, even if it is fleeting, the spirit is not seeking to immortalise the current condition of the soul or to give the impression that there is nothing to change. Change is the spiritual motive for the experience.

The spiritual Self is really saying "This is WHO I AM. Attune to My Vibration and Guidance and I Will draw thee (up in vibration) unto Me". This means that the soul must seek to be guided by higher Will and be prepared to take direction from spirit. The Christ Presence will lead each soul uniquely according to personal karma which is different for everyone. There are certain conditions we must experience, particular people we must meet and specific service we must render. All this is given to the soul through the Christ Presence / higher- Self. In the (vibrationally) imperfect state the soul will go through a path of trial and error to reach the 'destination' of perfect, unbroken awareness of spirit.

Ok, but time is not the only illusion. The low vibration of the negative aspects of the psyche is an illusion too but only if we prove it is by transmutation. If we can change it we have proven it an illusion. If we fail to transform these states of consciousness we have not proven them illusory. To put it slightly differently: The energy patterns of hatred, fear, envy, deciet, arrogance, revenge etc are illusions because the low vibrations of these states of consciousness separate the soul from the high vibrations of christ-consciousness. They are illusions because they can be changed by the transforming power of the inner- Christ. If they are not changed the soul will continue to labour under the illusion. The changing of the garments of consciousness -- exchanging the tatty old illusions of hate, fear etc for the wedding garment of light -- is a the 'great work of the ages'. It is 'the path'. We actually need cycles of time to accomplish this 'great work'.

It does to me too. But there are some concepts taught that are not true. Tony has published the transcripts of some of his talks and i will paste some in this thread and discuss them. So long as folks are happy to discuss it i'm happy for each of us to come to our own understanding of truth. I'm not looking for a blue.

It does boil down as Krishnamurti and others aver to : "Just Be, you will find it all within". But you will also find other elements of self which are not pure Being. The soul must forge a path of self transformation through the labryinth of anti- being in the subconscious. Krishnamurti said many great things but given some of his statements i don't accept that he 'found it all' within himself. In order to just 'Be' there is much to understand about the elements of self which comprise anti-being. Krishnamurti simply left out the path to Being through the confrontation with anti-being. When he rejected the path and the masters who have illuminated the path with their wisdom he may as well have rejected Jesus and Guatama both of whom taught "The Way". The 'Way' is a pathway to Being. It includes spiritual tools which Krishnamurti taught are unequivocally useless.

We are here to experience but many of our experiences are not planned by the higher- Self. They're motivated merely by the passions and appetites of the lower-ego. Christ does not need to know about being raped or knifed in a dark alley. Or being run over by a bus. These are the tragic consequences of ignorance (ie, not being directed by spirit), human passion and appetite. Guatama taught that life is suffering. He taught that the cause of suffering is 'dukkha' which is an 'out of alignment' state of consciousness. ie, a part of self which is vibrationally 'out of alignment' with the higher- Self or 'Buddha'. If we can raise the vibration of those 'out of alignment' states our souls can rise into 'alignment' or harmonious resonance with the higher- Self. One is a consequence of the other and vice versa.

We did. We can see the deplorable effects of that vibrational 'departure' everywhere on earth. We see it in the fallen consciousness of the race and the bitter fruit of suffering in the lives of the mass of humanity. We have exercised our freewill to fall into a lower state of consciousness. As a result almost no-one on earth is conscious of Oneness because almost everyone has created an anti-self which blocks the experience. Oneness isn't proven by merely stating that it is so. It is proven by the transmutation of the 'fallen' aspects of self.

True. A shift of perception is what it takes to remedy ignorance (ignorance of the Oneness of love). We must see through the illusions of separation but those illusions (of fear, hatred etc) are substantive. That is, they have form and substance which needs to be transformed by the high vibration of love. The process of transformation is a repetitive ritual of immersion in the light of love (in meditation and service) so that the soul can transcend the grossness which entombs it in matter.

I differentiate between the Universal Christ, Jesus' Christ Self and Jesus' soul. Jesus' soul was 'annointed' / 'enlightened' by his Christ Self (the Son) and I AM Presence (the Father). Occasionally the Universal Christ spoke through him:

"He who keeps my commandments
the Father and the Son will take up their abode in him"

And...

"I AM the Way the Truth and the Life
No man goeth unto the Father except through Me"

Likewise Guatama's soul was enlightened by the Buddha. Same. Both of these souls (and others) have, over many incarnations in matter, walked the path from relative ignorance to the full enlightenment of the higher- Self / Christ / Buddha / I AM.

As i understand it we all, Jesus included, have a unique Christ Self individualised out of the Universal Christ. Jesus is a kingpin in all this and after falling into duality consciousness himself he extricated himself from the illusion and has since incarnated many times to assist us to do likewise. This is where i depart from Krishnamurti's dismissal of the assistance which Jesus and other adepts can offer and the teachings they gave ... and are still giving.

You know i agree with most of that. Our I AM Presence never left the larger reality but by falling into the lower vibration of duality consciousness our souls certainly have left the larger reality. It can be argued that the 'departure' of that fragment of self is only a 'sense' of separation and i agree. But we have that 'sense of separation' because we have misqualified the spiritual light of the Christ and impressed it into a lower form. Those lower forms of being are vibrating below the level of the Christ-consciousness. To realise eternal Oneness they must rise again or be 'resurrected' by Christ into their original vibration. All aspects of our being need to be brought back into harmony with the original Self. This is how Oneness is again perfected.... How paradise 'lost' is regained by the soul.

I absolutely agree with all this. We do have individuality at the spiritual level of the Christ and the I AM Presence. Each One is uniquely individual and compliments others so that there is harmony and Oneness among all in the spiritual realms. Ours is a rare understanding nowdays with most modern teachers suggesting that individuality is illusory and only apparent at the level of the human personality.

The soul is a fragment of the I AM Presence (the Father) projected into the material planes. Our physical and subtle bodies are vessels for the soul's expression and experience in materiality (the Womb of Mother). Self mastery is the intended goal of the soul's journey. Souls who have fallen into duality consciousness have 'left' the reality of Oneness because they have lost the conscious awareness of the I AM Presence. All who fell have made the 'womb' of matter a 'tomb' instead. But the 'dead' can be raised again and must be if we are to return to that state of grace which is conscious attunement with 'the Father and the Son'.

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There is a path from each heart to the Heart of hearts
Each heart dabbles along this path in its own peculiar way
Some go with the flow some in a flock some alone
Some nearing the end some just started some stopped
Some makes haste some paused some turned

Eventually all hearts will get there in its own good time
For so is the purpose of the Heart to attract all the little hearts
Even the hardest of hearts will have to yield and melt

Only the Heart of hearts knows the little hearts its state and whereabouts
Some hearts love some schemes some so hard some fickle some good some bad
All saints have a past and all sinners have a future
Time is a walk on the way to God

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Milk and Honey, for heavens sake, PLEASE get off this thread and start your own.

This thread is about what I posted in the OP, not about you.

Or Jesus. Or Krishnamurti even. Or your thoughts on either of them.

It would be okay for a few little comments but not this essay writing that you seem fond of.

And the last thing I want on here is you trying to dismember a load of Tony Parson's writings, not that I've read any of them [or need to].
Perhaps you can do that on the thread you start about it.

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There is much truth and beauty in this, RedeZra!

I like your response, Milk and Honey! After all I invited it. I could respond to your response,

:lightsabre:

but I'd settle for this at this point. :cup::cup:

After all, we have probably done both many times before!

Dayzero, thank you for the OP, It has lead us to a great thread. Let us respect each other to the point of allowing everyone the space he/she needs. Many are reading this, and I am sure the Universe is Unfolding as it Should (Desiderata) and that each of us has a part to play.

By the way, I have been told there are NO saints. :wink2:

That might be the reason for the little inner smile on Buddhas lips: What a lark, they just can't seem to enjoy the ride and choose the Midway Path where the dualities are made whole! No, disrespect intended, Milk and Honey. This is short and sweet, so the details we have to fill in later.

Love ya'all! :wub2:

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Josephine, yes, I agree. You're right. And thanks.

And the law of Allowance is applicable here, and of course I wouldn't want to censor or stop anyone's right to write.

But just occasionally, I feel the need to speak, uh, harshly.

Moreover, i feel that in doing this, I probably represent an un-represented
quotient of our audience here.

And that's a very handy justification for me isn't it!..... one might say!

I'll leave my moody post up so as not to run away from it.

Blessings.

Just remember - no-one is typing this, for no-one.

Bliss.

Carry on everyone, as you were.

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:sneaky2:

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Thankyou for your reasonable words Josefine and for your change of mind dayzero.

I suppose there is nothing sweeter to the human ear than the sounds of agreement.

Sorry if it seems troubling or intrusive but like Guatama, i'm also trying to define the middle way - which is the high vibration at the center of Being - and acknowledge also the blocks or the low vibrations of anti-Being.

The reason i find this kind of discourse attractive is because most of us read infornation from various metaphysical teachers and rarely ever stand them side by side to see how they compare and contrast. I find there are so many inconsistencies between them that they need to be talked about. Some are resolved when language is made clearer and some are not because they're simply not true.

Comparisons are valuable right 'here' and 'now' (whenever and wherever assertions of truth are made) because alternatively comparisons can only be made by perusing divergent web sources at different times. Consequently, our understanding of the differences are duller than they might otherwise be. This archipelago of sources allows some teachers to take truth into a tangent that can only stand on the foundation of it's own internal 'logic'. But when a light is shone apon it from outside the box it's limitations become clear. If it's limitations are constistent and carefully pre-concieved then motive may even be deduced.

In the interest of spiritual enquiry i hope we can continue the way we are.

Love and thanks to all for the opportunity to talk.

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I appreciate to follow this kind of discourse but I can't hep but feel that something's out of place, thus my understanding to Dayzero's attitude.
It can't always be rosy huh? ;)

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I too can understand the frustration expressed by Dayzero.....it's not nice to "hijack" someone's post.

(Moderator hat is off for this post)

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The last couple of days I was realising how bored i am by the grooves my mind runs round and i find this quote from Jiddhu put up by Dayzero

"there is the difficulty that one's brain functions in old habits, like a gramophone record playing the same tune over and over again.

While the noise of that tune, of that habit is going on, one is not capable of listening to anything new......."

Thanks Dayzero for summing it up!

Now for turning off the gramaphone....

love to all