Brutal: Sarah Palin's Record on Aerial Wolf Hunting
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU

IS THIS FOR REAL?

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it is awful.
mind you the australians shot 10,000 horses like this a few years ago and shot 10,000 other horses in QLD in November last year.
wheres the heart ?

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m.i.a.

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what does m.i,a mean ?

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Usually "missing in action".

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well sarah Palin obviously does not like animals.

In her office she sits on the skin of a grizzly bear she murdered and on her coffee table sits a crab which is massive and probably was very old before she killed it and had it mounted.

She is not heart centric towards living beings, maybe her children eho knows ?

But is she so different from all the men in power - probably not.

I sort of warm to her in a way - but i think her treatment of animals is appalling and i wonder how she views the vulnerable ?

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...and this has what to do with Economics and Economy?

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what are you saying here ?
can you be more specific please ?

we need leaders that are compassionate and yes it has alot to do with economics, children who starve , countries who have very little have alotto do with what we call economics..

America has in the recent past looked after her own interests and this has inadvertantly led to the suffering of many countries, and it is nt just america here but the western world in general but america is probably the worst offender.

So yes there is a higher expression of ' economics' and it is inclusive and compassionate and considerate to the vulnerable ..


is that what you were getting at ??

when you make one line comments they are just provocative ?

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ATS has lots of people like you :naughty:

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This thread belongs somewhere else.

However, to give it some substantial meaning with respect to Economy and Currency take a look at this.

How much is a Million?
How much is a Billion?
How much is a Trillion?

What's the difference between a million, a billion, a trillion?

A million seconds is 12 days.

A billion seconds is 31 years.

A trillion seconds is 31,688 years. :mfr_omg:

A million minutes ago was – 1 year, 329 days, 10 hours and 40 minutes ago.

A billion minutes ago was just after the time of Christ.

A million hours ago was in 1885.

A billion hours ago man had not yet walked on earth.

A million dollars ago was five (5) seconds ago at the U.S. Treasury.

A billion dollars ago was late yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Treasury. :mfr_omg:

A trillion dollars is so large a number that only politicians
can use the term in conversation... probably because they
seldom think about what they are really saying. I've read that
mathematicians do not even use the term trillion!

Here is some perspective on TRILLION:

Trillion = 1,000,000,000,000.

The country has not existed for a trillion seconds.

Western civilization has not been around a trillion seconds.

One trillion seconds ago – 31,688 years – Neanderthals stalked the plains of Europe.

Million: 1,000,000
Billion: 1,000,000,000
Trillion: 1,000,000,000,000
Quintillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
Sextillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Nonillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Centillion: 1 followed by 303 zeros

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:roll1:
with respect you are right !
what has this to do with sarah Palin and her lack of compassion for other species and how a lack of compassion affects economic policy ????

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and just as an aside money and how much it is worth is always relative - it is not rocket science :mfr_lol:

but how much is life worth ? the life of a wolf ? a grizzly bear ? a person ?

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additionally the current model of market economies that is favoured by capitalist countries favours the few, it favours the strong, it favours the top 2 % keeping hold of 99 % of the worlds material wealth ? [ numbers might not be exact but you get the picture ]

so compassion has EVERYTHING to do with economics and economic policy !!

AFRICA .. that is a continent that is a fine example of suffering as a result of econmic policies mixed with political agenda that lack heart .. and have led to immense suffering for many ..

The middle East

India

USA V mEXICO AND SOUTH AND CENTRAL AMERICA

The poor areas of America etc etc

SO DONT TELL me where a leaders heart is has nothing to do with economics !

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The Alaskan wolf population is out of control and needs reduction. If the population continues to increase it threatens other wildlife and systems.

This is not shocking or abhorrent - it is pragmatic.

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really !

pragmatic ?

the simple solution is always the final solution - just kill them huh ?

Actually this world belongs to all of us - non humans included.

Palin comes fro a shooting, hunting what I would describe as blood thirsty back ground - taking pleasure from killing is not not something a person with compassion and love would aspire too

the biggest threat to wildlife on the planet is man - i am pretty sure that is the same in alsaka .. what pragmatic solutions do you suggest ?

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I don't know, I just have the feeling that Palin is a setup for a October surprise, where one or more of the scandals haunting her selection as McCain's Vice Presidential nominee will reveal something sinister thereby ending her bid.

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This thread is just one example of how people play in to the political games.

I'm not trying to argue whether killing wolves is a good or a bad thing, but what I will argue is that you all are being distracted from the REAL issues the world is facing.

This subject matter is nothing more than slight of hand magic. Show the American people pictures of the poor cute wolves and they ooh and ahh. All the while they are emptying your pockets, preparing for WW3, allowing millions of human beings to starve.

You/we have to pick our battles and I find it hard to believe that the livelyhood of the wolf is at the top of the "To do" list for any of us. Personaly if the wolf is at the top of the list, I say let it all burn.

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you are missing the point completely .. it is about compassion and love and having fair / kind and balanced leaders ..

Having said that all animals are important in my opinion including the wolf .. so it is pretty heartless the comment you have just made

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Personaly I'm not here to warm hearts or make friends, I'm here for the truth.

The truth is, the wolf has nothing to do with the extreme problems our world is facing. So go for it, stand on your stump and preach about the wolf. In the end when the nukes are going off and theres nothing left, won't you wonder if your efforst were in vein?

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that is a hard/ harsh thing to say, there is no truth without heart ....

you will never find the ' truth ' because your mind alone cant see it .. all it can see and all it will chase is smoke and mirrors .. good luck on your hunt for the truth.

The truth is that that love and compassion has everything to so with the way our world has and is manifesting and more specifically the lack of love and compassion is why we have manifested what we are currently living...

you feed he elite with your attitude whether you are aware of it or not .. they will love you

the truth is wake up and the world wakes up and I mean wake up to the truth of consciousness not conspiracy theories ..

Re: Brutal: Sarah Palin's Record on Aerial Wolf Hunting
 

Confucious Said...

Perfect yourself.

Then perfect your family.

Then perfect your community.

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It's obvious some of you are missing my point, especialy the ones private messaging me rather than maning up and putting it here for all to see.

Like my original post says, I'm not here to argue the livelyhood of the wolf. I'm just trying to make the point that you have to focus on the most dire problems first then work down the ladder.

The fact is, we can sit here and argue about the wolf and the "heartless" killing of these animals. I'm only suggesting that the discussion be focused on problems of a grander scale and the heartless sole that considers the use of nuclear weapons, the pilfering of it's people, allowing millions to starve to death.

After these problems are solved, then lets move on to lesser evils.

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Simple yet true.

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well who is privately messaging you ?
for the record it is nt me ! :mfr_omg:

You are here to argue cos that is all you have been doing ! so you might as well be honest :)

If you had nt noticed this thread was about wolves .. so why are you going on about nuclear war .. start a nuke war thread :bleh:

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Perhaps the OP would prefer to move this discussion here:

http://www.peta.org/forums/

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why should he ?

if you dont want to talk about wolves dont contribute to this thread ..

and please save us from your mocking ...:thumbdown: and ATS style

and for the record you are disrupting this thread .. you say the wolves need killing then you do not respond .. you are just being deliberately disruptive and wanting to derail this thread

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I very much admire your dedication to animal welfare.

Why are you so caustic toward your fellow humans?

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TROLLING :thumbdown: ATS STYLE

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Nah, was not you :)

And I'm not trying to argue, i'm just trying to help focus our energy.

The nuclear war thing is just an example of the more dire problems we humans are facing.

I personaly wonder how many of you have ever been hunting? Personaly I have, and have never fealt a closer connection to nature and mans role in nature. Flying around in a helicopter sniping off these animals is not hunting and I don't agree with it.

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I will respond.

What would you do if a pack of wolves threatened your food supply?

What would you do if a pack of wolves threatened your family?

Wolves are not fuzzy, furry, helpless creatures as they appear in the video. They are vicious killers along the lines of lions in Africa, tigers in Asia and venomous snakes in South America. They threaten wildlife, people and entire ecosystems.

Futhermore, the video is a campaign attack ad designed to elicit the exact response that it had in you. It is manipulative and deceptive.

Now I have two suggestions for you.

If your aim is to save animals, join the PETA forums.

If your aim is to sway others politically, there are thousands of forums that will welcome you.

Of course, if your aim is to further your own knowledge and teach others of things that are more thought provoking and esoteric in nature, you're welcome to stay here and I will value your input.

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trolling thread :thumbdown:

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OK people..

This thread has been steered way off the original posters topic, and..it should really be in Off Topic

Although the treatment of wildlife can be disturbing that's not the direction Project Avalon is taking right now.

I'd like to refer you to Kerry's opening post in this thread if I may:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=1021

Thanks for your co-operation :original:

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i apologise for being rud e to arcora, i should nt have done that

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This to me seems like some type of animal propaganda. I must admit i do not agree one bit with whats going on but i have seen MANY animal loves actually lovers animals more then humans - not in the nice way either...

Palin is an idiot no way around it but yesh i thought the end was a little dry.

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Good God, people. Get a grip on reality here. She is from Alaska, you know where there are people who still like to hunt animals for food. It is a skill that everyone should know. What are you going to do when the economy crashes and all of the grocery stores are closed? Starve?


My two cents worth.

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Agreed.

I am going deer hunting next week for the first time in my 43 years. Fortunately deer are plentiful where I live. Although I have never desired to kill an animal, I have a wife and two small children who need to eat. Our garden grows a lot of food, but not enough to sustain us.

I would be remiss if I sat back, knowing the economy is collapsing, without doing everything in my power to make sure they are fed. If hyperinflation comes (and I hope it doesn't) we won't be able to afford grocery store food.

Maybe the govt will give out food - maybe they won't. Either way I will do everything in my power to avoid the govt teat.

We all must do whatever is necessary to survive.

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If she would do this to animals ,she wouldn't think twice about doing it to to humans.in my experience you can judge a person by the way they treat animals

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So, by your way of thinking, all ranchers would have felt right at home running Auschwitz?

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I don't know anyone who eats wolves ,do you ? your thinking is warped if you think I am attacking farmers I am not .I am attacking Palin