Melbourne/Victoria
 

Melbourne/Victoria Chapter of Ground Crew Network

Welcome to all in Melbourne or Victoria country Ground Crew potentials. :welcomeani:
Lets correlate the safe spaces in and around our state.
Regards,
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hey Dark Matter,

Good to see you here. :)

I think any mountain area in Vic would be a great starting place.

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Hello Lt Ripley
Good to see you here also. :winksmiley02:
I was thinking of Mount Macedon, which isn't too far from Melbourne. Its highest peak is just over 1000 meters, which hopefully should be high enough.
Only trouble is that a plot of land on the mountain side would need to be purchased and then developed. I don't think the owners of the land would like squatters appearing there preparing it for safe space use. :mfr_lol:
This is one of the hurdles for many seeking a safe place to prepare. Going to a possible safe space location at the last minute could be disastrous.
What are your thoughts???
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hey there,

yep great to see melbs/vic in the mix. most of 2C magazine (2ndcreation.org)crew live here, but Even and Edward are up North. At the moment I'm wondering whether to head that way too, still working that out. Our current episode of 2C (Planetary Arts to Survive and thrive) is about getting off the grid and transforming the grid and seed saving and all that stuff. Welcoming any input you may have.:original: Look forward to developing our local avalon node.

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hello Mattriks and welcome. :welcomeani:

North of Victoria or north as in Queensland???

Definitely. :winksmiley02:

I think we need a collection of people to pool resources and study a good location for the safe space.
We need to form a committee that can meet to discuss, organize, plan and raise money to purchase land, provisions, equipment etc.
We need quite a few members with dedication and a will to get things moving so a safe space can be developed.
Who out there is willing to commit???
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hi all.
Just popping in to say I'm allso from Vic (infamous frankston :tears:)

Though I'm a Super Novice as In master of nothing novice at many thing's
So I'm screwed in term's of getting a placement with in a ground crew =P

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Welcome ForsakenFalcon. :welcomeani:

I won't hold that against you. :mfr_lol: I'm from Deer Park myself. The other side of Melbourne.

You don't need to have a University degree to obtain placement within a ground crew, so don't worry there. :winksmiley02:
Ground crew members and placement is for ALL who want to have a safe space place they can go to when it all hits the fan.
We need to organize members, the more the better. For the time being we need to see how many are willing to join and work to form the new Melbourne/Victoria chapter of the ground crew.
In the next few weeks I will try to organize something to get the ball rolling and I hope by then we will have more members.
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

I'm also from melbourne....

and I can say after having an enlightenment experience ONEness is the only reality... so you are me, I AM you, I AM God, YOU are God, we are all GOD, every thing is GOD.... and PUG (pure unconditional Love) is the only answer...

that aside, I did have a dream yesterday to get to higher ground in melbourne.. cos the changes were happening...

I am going to look more into the law of one series... but to me reality is God's dream (my dream)

we are but characters in this dream, just like the analogy of having a dream, all those characters in the dream ARE your creation, they are in YOUR mind... and yet we see them as being 'seperate' it is only once we become 'lucid' in the dream, do we remember who we realy are...

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I don't know about the rest of you in Vic but I'm fairly sure I just read F/F stepping up to take his place in the Victorian Ground Crew.........

What we need to remember is that we all bring is our unique gifts and talents to the team and while some will have learnt things at uni others amongst us have been studying hard @ the school of life and have a lot of life experience ie street smarts to bring to the mix.

As our crews grow and develop so will we and we will all continue to grow together on this journey.

For example - some will know the best type of food to sustain us long term, some will be able to locate it, others will actually be able to source it..... others will know how to prepare it to share with everyone :winksmiley02: not necessarily exclusive talents but some will be more adept at some things than others!

Falcon you are far from foresaken amongst ur kin here.

Blessings,

Vesta.

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Hey Peeps,

yeah when i say 'up north' i mean:

I have friends in northern nsw, and i've been considering that move for a while. I visited a few moons ago for a couple of weeks and got a good taste of living off the grid.

And another friend is in Inverell which is in the middle of woop woop but has water and good soil and is well away from the coast and he has placed himself there specifically because he thinks it will be a 'safe place'.

Those are the two places i'm thinking but i'm also not totally closed to finding the rite place in Victoria either. Many family and friends are here.

My time frame at the mo is to make some kinda movement in january (half way through this blue electric storm year, in dreamspell speak). With a Van, a solar setup, plants, seeds, love, my (soon to be) wife, a guitar etc. My energy at the moment is going into 2C magazine, some music projects, and getting appropriately resourced to make the shift.

I'm happy to be be part of connecting up with more victorians which ever way it goes. Sharing resources and hope and joy.

Big Love to ya family.

Mattriks

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hi Guys!

I am sorta new to all this but getting a very quick wake-up call.:mfr_omg:

I am in Central Vic, Maryborough to be exact and moved here from Melbourne many years ago, or maybe I should say I was told to come here by my unseen friends.

I feel that we (hubby & I) are safe here and have no terrible panic feeling that we must move to a safer place,so we are staying put.

Looking forward to interacting with you all.

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hi guys,

I live near Geelong, but am moving to NSW for my safe spot, so I haven't really researched Victoria for safe places. I know of a guy that's settled in Mount Macedon purely on inner guidance of what's to come. He made sure he had a bore on his property, etc, so seems to me that's it's probably a good place to be.

Inverell looks good too, especially if there's good soil there.

There's so much to do it can be over whelming. We buy a bit extra each week when we go for groceries and put it aside for later, (cans etc) it's eaiser doing a bit at a time, and you feel better/safer each time you add to your collection.

It's a great idea to create communities, good luck with yours,

Nyssa.

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Gday folks,
l would like to hear from others in the hope of co-ordainating some safe havens outside melb metro, l unfortunately do not have access to enormous funds, as l have reviewed the asking price for various properties / land etc on the basis that ther may be a collapse of our finacial system, therefore any banks loans used to make such purchases may be invalidated. At any rate l would like to hear from other whom also see the need for alternate living arrangements as opposed to suburban melbourne,

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Gday Dark Matter lm also located in the western suburbs of melbourne, with similar concerns as yorself and would be both willing an interested in joining forces with to assist in pooling our combined resources so that we may with various others provide an option to suburban melbourne in case of the undesirable events portayed taking place as suggested by others, be it finacial colapse, food shortages, bioweapons, etc etc

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Gday,
lve have been looking at some of the options, and l must say that although mt macedon ids convieniant so far as proximity its also extremely close to suburban melbourne, which unfortunately means that in time of food shortages etc there will be large numbers of melbournians seaching quick alternatives to residential melbournes lack of resorces therfore l believe mt macedon would in effect be to close to and subject to maraudinf elements that could nay would be very needy and most inhospitable with regards wanting/ taking from any reserves we may have of food liveststock etc

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Well said Vesta. Thank you. :winksmiley02:

Sorry for the delay in responding. Internet woes as usual.
A very warm welcome to Vesta, Mattriks, Aussie Babe, Nyssa and sirdiablo69. :welcomeani::welcomeani::welcomeani::welcomeani: :welcomeani:
Are any of you wanting to form a community so we can create the Victorian Chapter Ground Crew??? sirdiablo69 has made the commitment via visitors messaging system, how about the rest???
Take care all.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hi folks from Victoria, nice to meet you all here, I am Fiolla from Spain! Next tuesday I will head off from Alicante to fly to downunder and visit Melbourne and Victoria for the first time in my life.I will hire a campervan and explore mainly Victoria and aboriginal places there.Any travelling tips?:original:

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

I am new around here and I don´t know the countryside you are speaking about, but you just have a reasonable point there. concerning safe places.When the time comes, you have to be aware of your fellow men, they are the most dangerous species!:mfr_lol:
Australia will be a good part of the world to be, lots of space in the inland region and far enough from the coast in case of tsunami..........

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hello and Welcome Foilla!

You are in for a treat traveling around this wondrous land of ours.Enjoy!

Are there any more members centered around Central Vic? I feel like I am in this part of the world all alone.

Would be willing to link up with somebody /anybody to share ideas etc/

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thanks for your welcome aussie babe!You´re not alone as you see, there´s a lot of poeple around here! Very anxious to see your country and meet poeple over there, sideseeing Melbourne, hire a campervan and explore Victoria!

:thumb_yello:

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hello fiolla,
Welcome to this thread of the Forum. :welcomeani:
Also welcome to Australia when you get here.
As Aussie Babe has stated already, you will find Australia a very fascinating place, but you may have to go to the Northern Territory to find good places of aboriginal sites. There are not too many here in Victoria unfortunately.
I wish you a great time while visiting our country. :winksmiley02:
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

The hurdles of a safe space...
 

The Hurdles of Safe Space
I'm assuming that many of you are wondering what to do and how to go about finding a safe space to survive the possible calamities that may happen in the very near future. I ponder this every day, and without being too overly cynical, the options, unfortunately don't look too favorable.
Here are just some examples of the hurdles involved:

(1) The need for a plot of land and/or property of the ideal safe space location
Who amongst us could afford to purchase a plot of land and/or property??? I know I could never afford this, and I suspect most of you would be in the same boat. So what can we do???
We need to band together, form a committee and pool our resources. We would need to meet on a fairly regular basis to organize the best options for the survival of all members and their families.

(2) Where would be the IDEAL safe space location???
As sirdiablo69 has already pointed out: "l must say that although mt macedon ids convieniant so far as proximity its also extremely close to suburban melbourne, which unfortunately means that in time of food shortages etc there will be large numbers of melbournians seaching quick alternatives to residential melbournes lack of resorces therfore l believe mt macedon would in effect be to close to and subject to maraudinf elements that could nay would be very needy and most inhospitable with regards wanting/ taking from any reserves we may have of food liveststock etc".
He is 100% correct on this point. Unfortunately Mount Macedon is too close to a major population center. So where else???
Country Victoria would probably be the best alternative. Aussie Babe and her hubby seem to be in an ideal location. Population isn't too high. It may not be mountainous, but its probably far enough away and high enough above sea level to be a safe spot in case of tidal waves.
Someone has already suggested the Snowy Mountains. What about in and around the ski resorts: Falls Creek, Threadbo etc.???

(3) If you do have a safe space to go to, when do you move in???
If your retired and well off, then you could probably go now. But if you work for a living, you can't just move in and still be expected to go to work every day. Especially if the safe space is very far away.

All of the above questions need to be answered and alternatives nutted out. I've only given a couple of examples, there are heaps more questions that need to be resolved, but just one person cannot be expected to solve them on his or her own. We need to get our heads together and overcome these issues if we are to have a higher probability of survival when the s--t hits the fan.
Anyone who is interested in forming a committee to overcome the logistics of a safe space, then please let me know in this thread. BUT, you MUST be committed. No half arsed wanting to help. Its all or nothing. Sorry to be blunt, but possible lives could be at stake here.
Take care all and I look forward to your votes of confidence.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

P.S. If you have any comments, views or criticisms, then please post them here.

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

thank you for the tip Dark Matter, but I think I will go to Geelong first to visit an aboriginal centre there(it sais in my guide).Since the whole of Australia used to be aboriginal country, I am sure that my special "antenna" will find some places where there is strong and good energy that we can use to survive!As you know the aboriginals were very good at surviving, we can learn o lot of them, that´s why I would like to see and feel their places......

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Forums are fine but face to face sets the pace, is anyone organizing a meeting in Melb. If so, where and when. :welcomeani:

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Gday all
l am going to post my email for two reasons the first is because l recieved an eamil claiming to be from this sites founders stating that the site is being closed down for various reasons and secondly l strongly suspect it no longer safe to state online much info so far as locations etc are concerned you can reach me at mschoen57@bigpond.com temporarily, a further word of warning that various govt interests tend to dictate that they plant there own operatives within various groups for the purpose of gathering intelligene and info that may bring down any threat percevied by their respective leaders, l hope all this serves as a suitable warning to all such as myself hoping to meet like minded individuals, as for meeting all or any interested in forming some melb group to discuss and consolidate on safe havens please feel to to make conatact via my email address provided ASAP as this opportunity is not indefinate

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Gday to ALL,
There are many neccesary considerations prior to exiting melbourne for the hills so to speak aside from having somewhere to go you all need to realize that practically all routes out of melbourne are have a great many bridges overhead, therefore it would not take much effort for persons intending to retrict any exodus from melbourne simply by blowing all those bridges, therebye making most roads ineffective escape routes, so l warn you all that if you havent alreay left melbourne ahead of time you just might not be able too

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Gday All,
there are many many issues to consider, plan and practise prior to any change of location e.g the mountains, l totally agree the need to both ecape the city as well as the coastal regions, but and l cannot stress these issues enough, water, clean water is essential, as is having at least three months food supply minimum, as well as a large amount of seeds for any sustainable existence, unless you believe you can exist without any protien you will also require some livestock, for a family of four that would translate into a minimum of 40 to 50 sheep over a twelve month time frame, therefore that same family of four would require a stock of approximately 70 to 80 ewes as well as 2 or three rams and of course they to require feed and water, under special circumstances you could get two lambs a year from one ewe usually the famers only mate there ewes once a year so that they have time to recover, \
Even if you have one possible location that is not suffiecent to guarrentee your long term survival due to migrating groups of people whom similar to nomads would choose to steal and pillage from others rather than establish any self sufficency of there own, so ther is a real need to have those within your group that can offer some type of security etc
As for all those whom believe that they will simply barter with whatever excess they have lm sorry to say that there is no guarrentee that the people they are baterring with wont just overpower them and steal everthing anyway. hence the need for security of sorts.
there are a great amny other things l need to highlight to ensure your survival all equally as important as those lve already mentioned

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To ALL
Please note that if things go real bad and others havent made any preparations they will in times of desperation KILL you for your food and anything else you have, so be forwarned please do not share with others what you have and dont have for they will mention it to another and another etc and without a doubt if you any food and they dont all of a sudden they think oh such and such told me such and such then you end up with person or persons breaking into you home, encampment etc out of shear desperarion and your dead so are your loved ones dont believe me to your own peril

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

l am worried.
both for myself as well as my daughter, unfortunately l do not have many resources, and very little money to establish many of the nessecary features required for a long term independant existence, l do know without a great deal of thought what is required eg plant life, domestic stock, etc etc necessary for any longterm maintenance , yet l do have access to suffiecent inacial resourses with which to establish many of the requirements, l can for any considering what to do for their own survival share much of the information with them that are essential considerations, so please feel free to contact me if you want some eye openers

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hi Everyone!
Sirdiablo69 I hear you, what part of Melbourne are you in? Am posting a link for another forum that is full of Survival info etc, just search the archives.

http://www.aussurvivalist.com/forum/...TID=12237&PN=1

Peace to you all Barb.

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Also look here.........
http://www.2012forum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10

I had posted a great deal of info on the site prior to finding Project Avalon.
If you need other info, i may have other sources available as well....... but i will be away for a week from tomorrow without computer contact.

Tez

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Your most welcome for the tip. :winksmiley02:
Hmm.. Sorry for my ignorance, but I never realized there was an Aboriginal center in Geelong. Hmm.. I guess you learn something every day... :mfr_lol:
You are 100% correct in regards to how well Aborigines can survive on very little. In fact they would make the best teachers, as would the native American Indians. Its something I never contemplated. Well done in your thinking, I take my hat off to you. :wink2:
Take care and please let us know when you hit Melbourne.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

I agree AussieG. :thumb_yello:
I wouldn't mind organizing something after the Nexus Conference. Some time in the middle of October, perhaps a tad earlier or later. What are your thoughts people???
Where we meet is another issue, so I'm open to suggestions. I would like it so it isn't to far for Aussie Babe and her husband. And there are probably others that live far from Melbourne also. Would also be good to synchronize a time when fiolla is in Melbourne as well.
All suggestions are welcome. So lets get into discussing this issue people.
Take care all and I hope to hear the suggestions fly. :thumb_yello:
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

@sirdiablo69
Thank you for your comments and insight. You make some extremely strong and valid points. These MUST be discussed and digested by all, he's not talking s--t, he's talking about reality.
I can also understand the urgency in regards to preparation, as George Green has already stated, we may just be too late. So I agree with the need to set things in motion yesterday.
Unfortunately we have to be realistic, proper preparation takes time. But I agree that we need to get together quickly and start the ball rolling. I was hoping to organize a meeting just after the Nexus Conference, as I would like to share with all on what will be said by the various speakers. Hopefully one or more of the speakers may provide a time frame of when the s--t may hit the fan. But if that is too far off, then what do you propose???
I'll leave it up to you all in regards to how soon things should happen.
Take care all.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Many thanks to Aussie Babe and Tez for those links. I think they will be invaluable. :thumb_yello:
Both are survival Forums. I thought ours (Avalon) was the only one. Seems like I need to do more surfing and searching.... :mfr_omg: :sorry:
That GPS Australia will also be a bonus:
http://www.gpsaustralia.net/
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Gday All,
l have noticed the tendancy of many to suggest a communal concept of sorts, suggesting the formulation of a singular group functioning somewhat independant of existing rural communities, l suggest working alternative, rather than attempt to create from scratch all that would neccesary for some sort of long term unique remote commuity l would instead recommend that we all seriously consider adopting as a place of refuge an existing community such as a small rural township to form the basis of our own subgroup, therebye eliminateing the enourmous logistics involved in creating all nessecary infrastructure needed to support even a small group of wayfarers such as our selves. therefore l strongly reccomend that rather than clear bush land and buliding suitable domesciles on top of the expenses required for food supplies farming equipment fencing for any livestock etc etc etc l reccomend that we seriously consider what properties, housing etc within small rural towns that we could for a minimal outlay rent lease, culitvate, in the more immediate future, that would free what capital we do have that we could then apply use for items such things as generators, maybe solar panels, as well as large reserves of vegetables and grains fruit trees, livestock for the long term picture, as well as many many other items such as various hand tools, saws hammers nails screws even down to things such as sewing needles, leather working tools, basically most items that dont require electricity, petrol or gas, so if we do survive upcoming events we have sufficent reserves of food clothing etc to last until our first or second crop, and are also able to perform repairs modifications as per required independant of most external resources that figurateively may not even still exist.

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Gday,
as for how much time l believe god willing we might and l do mean might have until next january around the time of the next American Presidential inauguration to have at least one existing preplanned location which with to gather in the begining, keeping in mind that we will also need to have at least two more alternative sites that can function as plan B and plan C. Although we can reasonbly expect the equivalent resourses available at all sites we can at least choose those that have existing water supplies as well as suffiecent room and local laws that would allow us to legally make an encampment e.g some sort public campsite, of which numerous exist in various national forests etc easily locatable on victorian parks websites, sorry but l dont have the exact URL onhand, just google parks victoria to easily locate it

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Gday All,
another reccommendation aside from us migrating like a bunch of gypsies or nomads would be the suggestion that perhaps two hopefully as many as three of us establish a home bases independantlly of each other from the nth west of Victoria to the nth east of victoria, therebye providing specific established homes/properties with a minimal land mass that would allow the other members establish their camp/caravan as per required need. if the group total was not excessive than even a regular house on a regular block would have suffiecent room for the existing member/s to reside as well as room for some tents/caravan/s also. Therebye in part eliminating the need in the short term for extensive establishment of a habitable enviroment that would be required in something like virgin forrest. I n fairness to all members l believe that we would need to establish as firmly as possible some minimum standard for group acceptance e'g members personal tent/caravan, as well as perhaps at least three months personal food food supplies and of course a general willingness to contribute to the workload that may prevail.

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Gday All,
having said all that lve said with regards utilizing establish towns residences etc, l also reccommend that we all have a clearly well thought out and purchased emergency pack including good items such as good quality hiking boots sleeping bag back pack etc so we all if ,really neccesary can migrate on foot for some distance yet still survive for some period of time if our chosen locations become seriously compromised. P roviding of course that we have sufficent advanced warning, if that is at all possible.

Re: Melbourne/Victoria
 

Hi me again,
even if we are able to pull this self rescue attempt, with some sort of success. we will still be faced with our groups body politics. We will have to at some point need to address an almost equally devisive problem/s. Conflict resolution, what do we do and how do we do it. Sooner or later there will be some disaggreements among some of us, whether its about how much we eat or how much we do, maybe some of us cannot aggree on the next step we take maybe we cannot aggre on even the first step we take, Do we operate as a democracy with each having an equal vote in the decision making and if so do we have to unanimously aggree or simply a majority vote. Can we agree to disagree or do we have force others to concede to our own viewpoint. then if we can succeed as a group politically, how do we deal with issues pertaining sexual relations in their mirriad forms, what becomes exceptable and what doesnt. then what about religous beliefs or lack of, does that become a matter of choice, or are there certain prerequisites, do we politicise religous veiwpoints, then if so is it another issue we then vote on etc. aND IF L HAVENT ALREADY OPENED A HUGE CAN OF WORMS, how do we handle the issue of soviernty, for example if we are staying at the established home of one of the members as previously suggested for the purpose of convieniance of location does that person then have the right to dismiss a member from their property if they fail to reach some comprise resulting from some disaggreement, also do the individual members retain their sovienty over their possensions or do we adopt the principles of some tribal groups where the possesions that members bring to the group belong to the group and therefore may used by any member, alternatively do the individuals get to choose what among their possesions is stricly personal and what if any is for group use and then if any are for group use does the group maimtain possesion of said items when or if that person terminates their association with the group. I DID SAY I HAVE OPENED A CAN OF WORMS HUH