God Is an "It"
 

This is my personal opinion.

It irritates me when I hear references to God with gender.

And I'm going to offer this definition of God: the truth of what there is that matters.

What do you think?

Please, no links or quotations in this thread.

I'm interested in your personal opinion...

Thanks in advance for sharing.

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Maybe we should say "WE"......

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Please make up a hypothetical sentence for this...

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I grew up worshipping and praising 'God'. I don't do this anymore. I have painfully come to the conclusion that the very concept of 'God' is highly problematic. I believe in spiritual things. I believe in good and evil. I believe in the highest ethical behavior. I believe in life after life after life.:wall::wall::wall: But We the People of Earth should not bow down and worship, praise, and unquestioningly obey anyone...male, female, human, reptilian, grey, it, etc, etc. We the People of Earth should rule ourselves. I think that Jesus tried to tell us this...in a bit of a round about way. The religious people have gotten it wrong...and the atheists have gotten it wrong. I guess I want a secular spirituality which does not involve formal, arbitrary, and ritual religion. I can say more about this...but I'm tired...and I find this difficult to discuss at the moment. For now...see the statement below:

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You're giving me an idea... Maybe I'm using the word "God" simply out of habit...

Hmmm... Food for thought.

Thanks for your post!

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I've heard lots of definitions and descriptions of God. "I Am". "All that Is". "First Source".
"Creator". "Love".

I kind of like "all that is", because if I meditate on God, it always seems to escape description because it encompasses everything there ever was, is, or will be.

So then I couldn't see including "all that matters" in your definition. Because it "all" matters, or it wouldn't be.

One of the things you may be looking at is the strength of polarity here in 3D universe. Everything is necessarily split into the "thing" and it's "opposite". Gender is one such polarity.
Every being has masculine and feminine aspects, and are simply currently favouring one over the other, or exploring one through the context of the other, if you prefer.

I'm coming to understand how utterly extreme the tendency towards polarization is in our reality. It really permeates everything, and is less and less pronounced, the higher the dimensional frequency you vibrate at, until at the frequency of "god", there would be nothing like polarity. Male/female and anything else able to perceived as a split, is simply non existent.

So I don't know if God is an It. More likely, God simply is.

I recently saw an analogy to our relationship to God. It was that God was an enormous diamond, and each of us is simply a facet through which God can be perceived. each of us uniquely different in our perspective, and that all of us "facets" are simply all the various ways in which God can contemplate "itself". This also supposes, that without "us" God would not be "God". Interesting.

Those are my thoughts on this.

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Very nice comment MyPlanet.

Col. Phil Corso told his son just before he died that god was the intellect. A child who died and was revived said upon passing over he stepped into his mind. Basically one could postulate that God is conscious awareness of an intelligent design that cannot be contained within the human concept but can only be experienced once one is free of ego (which are the prison bars of Cosmic Intelligence). However, mind void of compassion is not god. So perhaps God is an oceanic compassionate cosmic intelligence that is completely aware of all that is, ever was and ever will be.

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Is God a CONCEPT

i belive so ....

all there is awareness

consiousness ....


i belive so..... ...the word

god always gives me the feeling of seperation

like a being.. a judge i dont belive in it ...

where as everthing is awareness ...

consiousness .....oneness ...:wub2: i belive in that ...

a living breathing in the now ...complete one...being...

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God is not him, her, or it. God just is. The Universe Creators like the one that created out local universe (GOD) exist in the 9th dimension and higher. These are dimensions that span the multiverse. At that level yin/yang, male/female is not part of the construct.

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Organized religion is the isness turned into the business of a luciferian monopoly on monotheism. How's that for a heretical mouthful? I'm so gonna burn!

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Perhaps God is an "It" and a father and a mother and a son and a holy spirit. Perhaps God is both personal and impersonal.

Humanity has been given lessons about God the father (time of Moses, age of Aries), God the son (age of pisces), perhaps the age we are entering now, the age of Aquarius, we will learn about God the Mother, the Divine Mother.

Perhaps God is both father and mother, Yin and Yang.

Father being the creative intelligence, mother being the loving nurturance. Father being electricity. Mother being magnetism. Father being Alpha, Mother being Omega. Electro Magnetism being the basis of creation.

Perhaps the balance of the father mother is what humanity must master within themselves in order to make it into the golden age.

As above so below, perhaps we have male and female bodies to represent these two aspects of the divine and to learn about, appreciate and master the aspects of the father mother within this dense environment.

That's not to say that as we progress in evolution consciously we will require a humanoid body forever, but at this stage, it is a good learning ground with these bodies.

Perhaps the concept of God out side of us is the real illusion. The God in the clouds ultimately deciding our fates and punishing or rewarding us based on our actions, perhaps that God is a false God and the only real God is the one inside of us.

The Father Mother God that is inside of us. The Divine Loving Intelligence that is inside of us.

And maybe each one of us has both an aspect of the Father and the Divine Mother within us and it is up to us to achieve balance between the two to access our true inner power and divine Selves.

Divine Mother collage:

http://www.adishakti.org/images/divi..._collage_1.jpg

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When I was thinking about what I wanted to say as a definition, the words “truth” and then “love” came to my mind. But I didn’t want to say God is two things! So I came up with the lame expression “all that matters.” I was trying to encompass love within truth…

I really like this…

I can relate to this!

If I'm writing or speaking with someone about God, and I need a pronoun so I don't have to keep saying "God" over and over, what do I do?

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I could be wrong, but I don't think you are.

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I dont use the word God

i say the

ALL THAT IS .....

this cannot be

made seperate

it is all incompasing


it is the all that is ....

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Okay, so in a conversation you might say, "All That Is is present in you, me, and everyone, throughout the universe."

I'm asking...

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Energy as of yet cannot be defined
We dont know what energy is
We can only say what it is not
Not this...Not this...

God is the source of energy

So its useless to try to encompass Him with the intellect
God is beyond the reach of our minds
He cannot be outsmarted

Does consciousness have a gender...??

Everything is basking in Gods Great Consciousness
He is the breath of it all
He is within without beyond

He is he she it and neither of it
Nature is feminine that is why we call God masculine
Males are females with guys clothes

God has no name no form as consciousness is nameless formless
We are little conscious bubbles in Gods Great Consciousness

No need to label God or to try to understand Him
It is an exercise in futility

Worship Him and adore Him or remember Him now and again or give a little thanks when you find the time

He is the sweetest thing with the heart of a thousand mothers
And i mean that literally

...

So many new fancy names for the Great Heart
Well if you continue to call Him God... people will know what you are referring to
And you can name Him It if you want to ...it really doesnt matter

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yes you could say it this way indeed Mary

i just say that there is only the all that is ,,,ultimatley

this way it is not a concept ...

and cannot be made into another ...

its a little difficult to fit into the language

as the laguage is dualistic .....

and the all that is is not ...

because it is the all that is ...

it is whole and undevided ....

tho it is having a dualistic expierince of its self ...GODS and GODDESSES...like a play of seperation..that we are now in ..

this is where it starts to go down the rabbit whole ... SO i stop here...

before i go on about magic mystery and science...ect

perhaps others will leave there interpriations ....this is an intersesting thread :

i follow with interest.. i will add tho that its not realy present in you me and the universe ,it is all that ......its not a seperate thing that can be present ...or not present only is ....:wink2:
IT IS the ALL that is already ...ALL that IS ....water can not be seperated from water ....:wink2:

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I like to use "the infinite"

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I like that!

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But that's two words...

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Maybe the word "God" will become obsolete...

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I usually refer to the "one infinite creator".

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It may, but the sound Ah wont. Look at the diffierent names given to the different archetypal representations of god. Budah, Allah, Krishna, Gahd. The frequency of the sound ah is the best definition of god. You want to resonate with the creator then meditate repeating the sound ah ah ah over and over. Your days go from normal to fully sincronistic almost instantly.

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I believe I have heard Dr. Len Horowitz talk about this...

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@t3j: This Ah sound.. is this related to AUM (ie the chant, also known as OM ) ?

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A while back I got a meditation CD called "Meditation for Manifestation" by Wayne Dyre. On this CD he tells that an individual from the secret Tibetan Mystery Schools gave him the instructions for this simple meditation and told him he could tell the world about it so long as he did not profit from it. So he made a CD about it and donated all of the proceeds to charity. This CD was part of the PBS program that he did called "The Secrets of the Power of Intention".

According to Dr. Dyre the Ah sound by itself is the sound of the creator. Moreover, the sound Ohm is the sound of the creation itself, or the universe. The instructions for the meditation are in the mourning sometime you sit down to meditate for at least 5-10 min. You visualize golden white light comming up through the ground, up through your feet, you spine, and out through your fore head. After this you simply make the ah sound over and over until your mind stops rifling through thoughts and quiets down (takes a few weeks).

Then the Ohm sound comes at night with the same technique. I suppose you could mix the ah and ohm and say ahom. However, that was not the instructions that where given by the Tibetan Mystery Schools who are basically the goods guys from Atlantis.

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How about this for a solution . . .

When you think of God, visualize an invisible entity composed of nothing but energy - no form, no size, no color, no sound, just energy.

When you then wish to talk about this entity, try the following . . . .

Instead of saying something like, "God is the source of all life. He created all that exists. He lives forever. He will not die."

Say this, "God is the source of all life. God created all that exists. God lives forever. God will not die."

No gender is needed and the word God is not replaced with a male or female flavor.

The repetition of the word God is no harder to listen to than the repetition of the word He.

This way nobody with a gender issue needs to get upset. :mf_popeanim:

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God...John Lennon God is a concept...we are all one

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I've noticed that many people from a Christian background seem to use the word "God" a great deal, and often seem to take it for granted that they understand what it means -- and that they're almost kind of on first name intimate terms with "God". The word is not the thing. Whatever "God" may be, I believe hypocrisy is surely one of the quickest paths in the opposite direction.

To somebody from a different religious tradition, that Christian name-dropping seems very presumptuous and probably hypocritical, and ignorant. Nevertheless, the Buddhists do sometimes refer to the universe, or Rhythm's "all that is," where Christians would talk of God. But Buddhists etc have some reference to the notion that you have to have reached enlightenment before you're ever truly in touch with That on an everyday level (and genuinely know that you are).

I understand that Judaism forbade any attempt to utter "God's name" for a number of centuries in the past. Personally, I like that idea.

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I like to sample various videos regarding God on YouTube. I often watch certain clips over and over until the message really sinks in.

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God is pure spirit (without shape or form). Spirit is that which animates. Incomprehensible, inscrutable. Attributes: intelligence, wisdom, knowledge, beauty, love, justice, foundation, power, strength.... which don't necessarily designate benevolence. To me, god is everything else nothing at all... the beauty & the beast and THAT is a hard nut to crack, ya think?

Apparently "we" believe there is One Ultimate Creator, the big kahunga right? which implies an entity? And I have always had a hard time conceptualizing this attribution of "it", THE god, being an entity because that brings to mind that there is an "outside" to "it".

There IS something I call God (though I'm about sick of that word myself, prefer Great Spirit) that is operational, that I attune to, that causes synchronicities, epiphanies, that feeling of being ALIVE which is what I think we are after, that of insight, growth, meaning, purpose, vibrancy.

God reveals and conceals... God is hidden right under our noses, within & without us. And there are forces, negative influences, infiltrative, even thoughts that pop in (like where did THAT come from kinda thing)... nature is both beautiful and frightening.... yawnnnnnnnnnnnn...I'm going to bed now, that 1/3 of life spent in what's called sleep only to arise in a dream called awake.

I'm getting to know ArchAngel Michael, a personification. Nite nite!

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A Reading From the Twenty First Chapter of Leviticus: [Please read it for yourself]. The Word of the Lord? Thanks Be to God? :nono:

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orthodoxymoron, yes, you've found a false god! The old testament is a wacky book that's for sure, and full of communications with jehovah's and yaweh's and a bunch of other fairly wacked out tribal and false gods. The God in the sky, the God outside of yourself... that's the one that said the quote to moses in leviticus, and that ones not real other than the reality co-creators give it!

The I AM that I AM however, is inside of you and you are a beautiful unique personification of it.

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I really relate to this. I have started to focus on energy when I look around me. I take a daily walk and recently I’ve started thinking of all the people walking their dogs, the dogs, the cats, the squirrels, chipmunks, and birds I see in my neighborhood--as animated by the same energy I am--and that permeates the universe…

Yeah! Maybe I don’t need my pronoun.

I like the idea now that God doesn't have a religion.

One of the most wonderful things that Avalon has done for me is to help me overcome the utter FEAR and CONFUSION I used to cope with because of religion and the Bible. Some things I suspected intuitively, but it really helps a lot to read what others say. Gives me more confidence!!

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Here's another thought I have about God:

I am beginning to think that God is not the creator. That God has always been here and so has the universe. I'm beginning to think that that makes more sense than it does that God would create itself and us.

What do you think about that?

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Aha yes water has always been water mmmmmmmmmmmmm.....:thumb_yello:

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When I felt the breeze of the trees
and saw the flight of the butterfly I was in awe.
When I looked upon the flowers bright
and the grasses growing tall

When I heard the larks first song
and saw the rabbit scurry by
Twas then I lifted up my eyes
and asked this god why?

I traveled further on
and ventured up the road
and chanced a beggar to see
begging for a loaf

I heard the babies hungry cry
clinging tight to mothers breast
and saw the throngs around about
and felt the tightness in my chest

I watched the waves crashing on
a shell bejeweled beach
and saw the gulls all reel and spin
and realised divinity was within reach

Twas then I felt the sting of salt
and the burning in my eyes
through laughter in the pouring rain
and smiles at sunny skies

I picked up a wind swept paper
and looked upon the news
war and death and evil wrought
but man he had to choose

Was this the work of god I asked
Was this in truth a dream?
I walked apace and sat there long
and listened to the stream

The water sparkled bright and clear
running onward down
in it's reflection where I gazed
I saw upon my face a frown

Who is this god I asked but once
who is this personage true
then I looked within and I did note
'Twas me, 'twas them 'Twas you.

The hatred lies and bitterness
the love the joy and hope
the death destruction and all manner of things
all are within this wide wide scope

That all is one and one is all
that tomorrow is today
That yesterday and forever
Is the fairground in which we play

That I am love and hate combined
The face you see in me tis true
That bhuddists catholics muslims all
are reflections of me and also of you

I awoke from my torpor
and shook my head in fright
I looked upon the day anew
twas then I saw the light.

I am god and god is me
the trees the air the light
all that is manifest
is all but one, it's light.


I have no answers for what who why where and if, about god, but what I do know is that we all are this thing we name, that we all of us including all that is animate and inanimate, all that is observable and all that is hidden from sight, this is that "thing" we call god. Remember also that god is not yesterday today and tomorrow, this thing we call god is Now. The multiverse is nothing but the Now.

Peace and Love to All

Z

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In the Beginning A vast calm Ocean of Consciousness in Deep Sleep

The 3 Tendencies intrinsic in Consciousness in Perfect Balance
The Trinity Rest In Peace in an Undisturbed Equilibrium


Then a ripple a movement a disturbance of some sort
And Consciousness is Awake and Aware and Alone

And Consciousness is Creative

And Consciousness Projects the Universe from Itself within Itself by the inherent Power of the Trinity


So All That Is came to be because of the Three Tendencies in Consciousness which is One


And everything is seeking back to balance
And everybody longs for peace of mind

And It will sleep again

And till then It is Awake and Aware of It All

It Is Everything Everywhere Ever

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TAG, you are IT