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I've asked this several times and never got a real response so I figure this deserves its own thread.

Can somebody point out or refer other sources as to how exactly spiritual energy can be syphoned through mere attention? This seems to be a statement that's always left hanging in the air.

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Buddha says - You are what you think

You become what you aspire to be
You associate with your likeness

Spritual energy one gets from hanging out with spritual people - Reading watching hearing spiritual stuff - Story and messages of saints and sages -
Nature Wildlife is a spiritual high - Cultivating relationship with God - Prayer Meditation Charity Cleanliness - Do and Be Good

There is no syphoning spiritual magic occuring needing to be mystical interpreted ...its a natural flow of your mind being colored by the object of attention...
- Out of Sight Out of Mind -

Unfortunatly the ruling elite of our world are hellbent to dumb us down by poisoning and portraying gossip sex violence as cultural entertainment -
Furthermore the PTB have a money printing machine to keep the masses in meaningless slave labors for worhtless pieces of paper -

Its time to take a time out from this culture we have been born into -
Time to stop the turning of this wheel on the road to hell
Time to look to God to God in Man and God in Nature - Truth Love and Beauty

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I am not familiar with the term "syphoning" of energy. However, what I do know is that whenever two people, or a person and a member of the animal kingdom come together in close contact, there is a transfer of energy from on to the other. The reason is (1) because our energy make-up is electrical and (2) because the major part of our soul essence/light is outside and extends to about 3ft around our physical bodies. It is believed that the more dominant energy always impact greater on the less dominant. It does not matter whether the most dominant is negative or possitive. The school of thought or advice, particularly in mystical circles, is to stay away from toxic/negative beings, and if you are to be in, really close, or physically intimate with another being, ensure that their energies are as possitive or at least on par with yours..:trumpet:

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Everything i've read here so far rings true to the best of my knowledge-sometimes though one has to tolerate negative energies to try and help the person who's emanating them-try and be unselfish and soak up a a little for a small amount of time at least and talk to them about this spiritual realm which most appear to be ignorant of in this electromagnetic soup we live in.The more that are aware of getting back to roots and nature the more momentum will be gained in the long term for a general positive shift.

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Let me rephrase.

How is it accomplished that energy is syphoned off events like group meditations or concerts?

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I'm not sure that it is as such.........

But watching Eastenders, for example, may well bring down the individual and collective vibrational index to lower than it might otherwise be.

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By just being there

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Here it goes:

All asleep, one awake
(Taken from the second line of "silent night" which in English is 'All is calm, all is bright'. This however is the proper translation)

How the group-consciousness can alter reality. Of interesting experiments and random generators.

Washington, 7th of October 2001. In a TV announcement, US President George W. Bush announces the beginning of air strikes against Afghanistan. For weeks, US Diplomats worldwide have exerted themselves to build a large anti-terror alliance and in fact: the world security council unanimously granted authorisation to the USA which was probably unique in the history of the united nations. In his announcement Bush formulated it like this: "We are being supported by the collective will of the world."
Has he affirmed the solidarity expressed worldwide again? No, he has expressed far more. It is in fact a matter of 'collective will', the group- or human-consciousness. This term is not overstated because, apart from a few states, all the world has declared its solidarity with the American people. This is about a completely different level of conflict which has nothing to do with bombs or cruise missiles - a conflict on mental/spiritual [German term can be misleading, direct translation is 'ghostly' which also refers to the intellect]. Modern science has just recently discovered these mechanisms. The Americans keep emphasising, and that probably with good right, that the war on terror can not be won with bombs and rockets alone. There must be a deciding change in the consciousness of the whole of mankind - the 'collective will'.
This sounds like highly developed consciousness, like a chance for world peace and evolution. However, there is a second side to this - it also requires a to pass a blank cheque to the leading instance - an unlimited trust (which was asked by all of us at this time). This is why heightened awareness is in order.
In our book "Networked Intelligence" (ZS-Book Market) we explained in much detail, what monstrous forces are unleashed by group-consciousness, according to the latest scientific insights. Forces which can alter reality. [I guess this is the often called 'window of opportunity']
For this to work, as mentioned in the book, there are a few requirements:
1. The group must be large enough to activate a group consciousness (in the case of the Afghanistan conflict it was thus extremely important to forge a global anti-terror coalition as otherwise the effectiveness would not be guaranteed) [that could coincide with the phi grid on a more local level]
2. The consciousness of the whole group must be directed toward a shared focus.
3. The group must furthermore be unaware of the actual intent in which these forces are actually used (to further minimise a risk of thwarting).
The principle is hence often called 'all asleep, one awake'.
Item 2 and 3 stand in a certain opposition to each other. To fulfil item 3 it was necessary to keep a large part of the public in the dark. Yet, without daily news from the setting of war, the mass of people would quickly have lost interest in the issue, and each would have returned to daily routine. That would in turn hinder the fulfilment of item number 2. The media policy of the USA thus found a compromise - information around the clock without actual informing.
Tapping in Consciousness Energy?
Now it also becomes clear why the president has not mentioned that some of the important plans will never become public, as he held his speech in front of the congress after the 11th of September. This is not only a matter of usual military secrecy but also a matter of the 'all asleep, one awake' principle. In this case then, the USA are the one that wake. How then can we control if the collective will of the world is put to right use by 'the one that wakes'? Not at all! And this is the danger in this widely unknown technique.

Why do these forces of group-consciousness only work when the group is unaware of the actual intent?
A simple example: Let's assume that a group of people wants to influence an object through mental concentration, possibly a lamp. They enter a state of concentration, possibly meditation. Each visualises the intended target - the lamp.
One of them will imagine a desk lamp, another a chandelier, a third possibly Alladin's flask [German: Lamp]. You already see where this leads: due to the differences in imagination of each participant the complete pictures becomes diffused, it spreads in various directions instead of being focused.
The principle of 'all sleep, one awake' illustrates how this is done properly. The concentration of the group is brought to a shared focus, as for example, the news about the war or the fear of new terror attacks. Other events are similarly appropriate: international football [soccer my American friends] matches, Techno-Gatherings like the Berlin Love Parade [Oh you know this article is German!], natural events like the solar eclipse of 12.8.1999, but most and foremost large mass meditations.

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My guess would be that many times what we take in and focus on is psychologically affective by the presence of subliminal or other cues so that the mind is split between what we are consciously witnessing and what our subconscious is doing at the very same time. I think this happens naturally as a function of how the human mind is generally acknowledged to function but the process can be commandeered to the ends of others. We participate energetically without even knowing it. The folks who produce this stuff are very good at it. Just think of advertising.
Also , it may be a matter of conditioning so that the content doesn't even have to operate subconsciously. I love love but, sadly , can watch a murder on screen and not really flinch much, because of my conditioning. I have to say though that lately my sensitivity to this type of content has been increasing a great deal.
I'm not sure of the veracity of this statement, but Super Bowl Sunday, I was told, is one of the biggest days of the year for incidences of domestic violence to occur.
Doesn't really seem like much of a stretch to me.
Cheers,
Cantaloupe

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my humble opinion ;just like in the biologic world,you have the same relatioships in the world of souls and the world of spirits: parasitism.mutualism.commensalism,symbiosism and other intermediats "isms"

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I personally don't intend to build such a system. I just want to recognise it. 777 over on the 'Breaking Codes' thread never accomplished to answer my questions regarding this either, yet he knows so many intricacies behind this system. It's still beyond me how a can with 7up written on it can actually influence me.

My threads always seem to drift on here. Are my questions off? Am I being manipulated? The Symbolism/Language/Focus thread is basically about the same.
Let me tell you one thing though, this time I'm going to nail it in, even if I have to discuss it with myself.

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The external motive, that which the group focuses on, is just a way of assisting concentration, like an anchor, as they say. It has nothing to do with the actual target of the energy (at least not imperatively).
The actual targets are thus concealed from the group. The participants are thus the 'sleepers' who simply lend their focal energy as a kind of 'free energy'.
The one who wakes is the one who knows the actual vector powered by the groups force that is being tapped into (of course this doesn't imply that this is just one person, but the avengers [not sure why this term is used here] may be in no way a part of the 'sleepers).
A few more questions come up immediately in response to this:
1. How is the energy of a group tapped into?
2. What changes to reality can a group of humans actually make?
3. Can one, as an outsider to the process, prove that such a dynamic has as described here has taken place?
Let us get back to item 1 later. In the course of this article, you will find that these group energy processes exist and that they are being used already. The 'how', however, is usually kept top secret by the initiated.
One item 2 I want to remark that it has nothing to do with the famous 'moving of mountains'. British research has recently proven that even the synchronous jumping of thousands of people can not cause an earthquake [strange proof, these issues have nothing to do with each other in my mind]. Yet, there are processes and happenings in the world that aren't as solid as mountains because they are unstable or chaotic in nature. The weather is such a system just like the stock market and the big financial markets, generally all individuals and collective human consciousness processes, and also in science all kinds of random processes as they appear in quantum physics. In the quantum mechanics of the smallest part there are no longer any exact sizes. One can only calculate probabilities for the speeds and positions that describe where the part[icle] can be found. Also the decay of radioactive material can only be predicted with probabilities, that is why such materials are excellent for the construction of randomness generators.
Researchers in the USA have observed the impact of large mass happenings on such quantum mechanic randomness generators for years. Their results show, that the group consciousness can in fact imprint a structure [of non-randomness]. Hence, physical processes are being manipulated as well.
Rather similar results can be observed with a computer program, a particular randomness generator developed by us can be found as a part of the Hyper2000 Professional software package.

Peace Meditations change the Randomness
For a long time already we work side by side with the polish fringe scientific magazine Nieznany Swiat (Unknown World). We are very familiar with the chief editor [?] Marek Rymuszko and his wife, publishing executive Anna Ostrzycka and have, shared many experiences in the last few years. What we experienced on the 30th December 2000 was quite extraordinary, however. The editorial staff of Nieznany Swiat has called on its readership to conduct a large group meditation to support world peace. The magazine appears monthly with over 50 000 copies and is read not only in Poland but also in Canada, the USA, Sweden, Germany, Austria, Australia and other countries.
The readership was not asked to meet somewhere but to meditate at home. The shared focus should then concentrate the energies. The set time was the 30th December 2000 between 20:00 (8pm) and 20:30 (8:30pm). We agreed by telephone that we would not participate but instead observe if the groups energy would influence the randomness generator. As the program was tested 18:30 (6:30pm) on that day, all was as usual and within the expected fluctuations.
We then turned the machine on between 19:55 and 20:35, during which the program executed 13 650 000 simulations of a dice roll, a rather large amount of data, that allows statistical interpretation. The task of this program is to guess the most occurring number within 30 000 rolls.
We don't want to bore you further with statistical details. However, there is no doubt that during those 30 minutes of the meditations duration the results where way beyond the usual (randomness).
The graph [not included here but you will get the same experiment in Gregg Braden's research if you're not already familiar with it] also shows clearly that the group was very well tuned into the state of deep meditation (clear undercutting of the normal values). The probability of these deviations from randomness being a result of chance is about 1:246. Please pay close attention to the following parts in the graphic [I skipped this as the graphic is not present].
The graph shows clearly that the randomness generator has reacted to both the beginning and the end of the meditation. When the sum of successful hits in a certain interval are displayed in a histogram of six minutes per pillar, it is obvious that there are many more hits between 20:00 and 20:30 than usual. We want to clarify once more that we ourselves have not participated in the meditation nor observed the results of the randomness generator during this time to diminish other direct influence (i.e. psychokinetic). To understand how such a mechanism operates one has to understand what the term 'random' means in today's scientific context. Many of you are sure to remark at this point that 'chance' doesn't exist in an esoteric context.
It is indeed possible that randomness (something that falls toward us [German word is to-fall - Zufall] is just a term for something that science can not yet explain. On the other hand, we also know that an effect without a cause is impossible. If we thus conclude that something is 'chance' or random, we actually mean that the incident does have a cause, yet we do not know that cause. The cause can be in the past or even in another dimension.
Other recent research lets us assume that consciousness processes, especially in context with group consciousness, can be the cause of randomness interference. Researches in America, as stated, observed randomness for many years now and the results are pedantically logged. The cause is to find out whether the randomness is interfered with on days of mass happenings. The answer to this question is a decisive 'yes'. The peace meditation of Warsaw is not the only incident during which such strong changes can be observed in a randomness generator.
Another example of recent times are the first days of military conflict in Afghanistan in October of 2001 which leads us back to the beginning of the article. It seems as if the Americans [as mentioned before, this shall mean 'American government'] had succeeded in generating a consciousness focus that held vast amounts of the world's population in front of the TV.
Our randomness generator showed even stronger deviations on the 9th of October, between 10:30 (am) and 14:30 (2:30pm), Washinton Time. The probability of this being a cause of randomness [random non-randomness?] was 1:6500 this time around. The reason for this is probably that the group was that much larger than in the previous example. What the energies of these weeks has really been used for can only be speculated.

Who uses this unleashed energy?
Only a single time could we measure no impact at all when a large happening was occurring. It was christmas eve [24. of December in Germany] of 1999. At midnight, Pope Johannes Paul II. [John Paul?] opened the Holy Gate in the Vatican and initiated thus the holy year. The ceremony was broadcast into the whole world, even Cuba [why do they mention that?], and was observed by about two billion people from their home TV sets. Yet, the randomness generator run as usual. Does this imply that the catholic church has means of channeling this spiritual energy?
Also in the case of the Afghanistan conflict, probably not all of the energy was 'available' to our randomness generator as we have seen deviations much more extreme. The most of extreme deviation in fact was during the solar eclipse of the 12th of August 1999. While millions of people in all of europe were witnesses of this exciting spectacle our randomness generator registered a deviation of more than one to one million!
Surely the group of people that observed the solar eclipse must have been smaller than the one watching the news broadcast about the war. Where large amounts of their energies also channelled? You might want to say now that the influencing of a dice program isn't too impressive. Please regard that we use of measuring this as neutrally as possible on purpose. Our goal was to prove the possibility of influencing reality, not utilising the energy to any end! What other, who understand the connections of these processes, make of this however is only left for us to imagine as there is very little talk in the public about such topics.
Mankind stands on the threshold of a new age of consciousness. It is clear that ego-thinking will be of little use in today's time. The development of a higher group awareness will be necessary if mankind as a whole wants to survive on this planet. Simultaneously we have to be aware that almost all discoveries are firstly available to the ones in power. Attention should thus be paid by us to evaluate whether they are worthy of our trust.

Grasping Randomness
Most of the scientific randomness generators run on the principles of quantum fluctuation. Such a non-predictable process is present in, for example, the radioactive decay of Thorium or the radioactive isotope Strontium 90. During the decay of Strontium 90, super fast electrons are being emitted in unpredictable intervals. This is used as a source for very reliable randomness generators in psi-experiments.
For example, this can be used in connection with a apparatus which has differently coloured lamps. This way one can cause a completely random glowing pattern. By the force of her will the experimenter tries to predict the next lamp to light up. During incidents of global resonance [nice rhyme], scientists turn on these kinds of apparatus even without the presence of an experimenter and observe their behaviour.
A similar principle lends itself to our Hyper 2000 Professional Randomness Generator developed by Franz Bludorf. It is connected to the system clock of a computer. Instead of lamps, the rolling of a die is simulated. Simultaneously, the computer attempts to guess what numbers comes most often. Every five seconds, one of these guesses with each 30 000 rolls is completed.
According to general probability, about each sixth throw should be a hit (a success rate of 16,7%). Should the hit-rate deviate drastically from this value, one can assume that certain external factors are taking responsible.
If one wants to measure a persons ability to use psi forces, one has to incorporate that person into this loop.
To test outer influences however, such as cosmic influences, magnetic field fluctuations, sun activity or human mass movements, the apparatus can be left in 'autopilot' so to say. Then, the computer itself guesses each 5 seconds and logs the results. The experimenter doesn't need to stand by and watch over the experiment being conducted, she can indeed even leave the room. Like this, unintended influence can be prevented and the evaluation remains neutral and objective.

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I somehow see where you are coming from but it is still highly abstract. Why then can I not conjure things out of the nothing?
In a sense you're also talking about schroedinger's cat, I think?

Thanks for joining the discussion, I follow your 'Breaking the Code' with excitement but at the same time it seems rather ludicrous to me!
(no offence)

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To syphon something is to take or empty something into another container.
Focus is a point at which rays of light, sound, or heat converge(energy). To focus energy or attention to something is a ritual. Symbols are used to invoke, focus, or emote energy.

If you think symbols have no energy then walk into a synagogue with a swastika on your arm and see what power a symbol has. But the swastika was a revered and loved symbol before Hitler, a symbol being neither good or bad, its the intention.

We are sold or marketed events and rituals to direct ,or syphon our energy if you are not watching your focus is not going on what is really going on just directed in the direction they want or , hocus pocus, sleight of hand.

9/11 marketed a product and a ritual, the Patriot Act, sold with flags waving, your rights removed for your protection, home of the free doomed. It marketed the Home Land Security, another fraud selling what is said to be good as a document very similar in content as what the Nazi Homeland sold when they burned the Reichstag.

Products like 7UP, keep one down. What they say is up is down, what they say is good is bad and people buy it, the trademark. 7UP is just chemicals in a can that keep you down, distract people from drinking water. Right there that is enough but it is also laden with other meanings that even if you do not wish to see them they are there.

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The question still remains, how does one harness the energy. We speak of ritual, behaviour, diffusion of our awareness, buying into a lie, loading a symbol with intention.
I say not that this has nothing to do with a process of syphoning, but it is not the direct process alluded to in the article above.

How does meaning influence reality? Why would I care that 7up from M is G. What is G? A C and a T? So now I have my tools to make new words and meanings. Why do I even need those meanings when the intention is enough?
I can give you toothpaste with the intention of helping you build a castle. Is that random? No? I'm sure I can find a connection somewhere in our communication systems. Do I need it?

Meaning influences us when understood, also subconsciously. Does the conscious override the subconscious or vice versa? Can they work together? Have we been manipulated to have conscious and subconscious oppose each other? Are they turned upside down?

I ask you for a cup. You give me the tea. Do you expect me to burn my hands?

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I don't think you realize the power of words and speech.You can create a thread on this forum that will drag someone through the mud ,based on their level of conciousness.It can literally drain the energy from someone especially if they are drowning in emotions. I have been around such individuals that are energy vampires.You leave the conversation feeling depleted and they are skipping away because they have taken all your energy.

Create a thread and put emergency martial law and watch what happens. It will get 1000000000000000 hits because people are afraid of their circumstances changeing.But i bet you martial law has another meaning besides the one given to the masses.

There is a section on this forum called what does it mean.When you ask that question,it means you have to think.We suffer because we stop thinking and asking questions and gave a small group from the collective the power to think for the whole.

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Is the root of your avatar to represent this principal. Czym ty jestes? - a question suggesting a derogatory answer. Are you telling me you have never had the experience of being around someone that drained your energy?

One does not need to harness something that has been given by docile masses, but the intent to use it can then be directed by the one who is awake. Energy is energy and the intent to direct it is enough. Also the observer has been shown to change an experiment in science so the observer wanting to can direct the energy of what they believe to be the outcome whither it be ritual, ceremony or science experiment. Your own postings seem to hold the question answered.


(I ask you for a cup. You give me the tea. Do you expect me to burn my hands?quote czymra) This seems a derogatory question to me. I gave you a cup I perceived as full of what you had asked for (my thoughts on the subject), you perceived it as I gave you tea. Maybe burning questions burns your hands?

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Thats fine because it can stand on its own without any validation.I don;t post things to get validation.I just love tohttp://freshimagehosting.com/images/...5pt41u1fo5.jpg 5612945376394 :lol3: i'm counting right now how many times you ask the same questions in different form.Thats the power of speech. 1348548394:lol3: I count every thing i'm still counting. :lol3: I can't seem to stop I won't stop:lol3:

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I am aware of energy vampirism. I see this is a part of the equation but not my original concern. When a person faces another, I know there a countless ways in which one can drain or energise the other.

What I'm trying to get at is through what means exactly, and moreover, how this is done on a scale as indirect as tapping into a mass meditation.
As I understand it, the mental force can open a window of opportunity, the stronger or larger the group (or individual) the stronger the effect. Now I can imagine that around such a window (focus) a net is spun that somehow diverts the energy to the true goal. I wonder how that diversion is achieved.

I'm not as skilled as you are in the art of dissecting. Please explain further as I'm not able to follow, however I'm curious as my nickname 'just came to me' and I have yet to find a deeper meaning in it.
I'd be surprised to find one I'm can be convinced of. The closest I found is Welsh in Welsh which is 'cymraeg'.

I think I see where you are coming from but how can you say that one does not need to harness it? I mean, 'where' or 'how' is this energy? Has somebody put it in a jar meanwhile? I doubt one can keep it stored, but then, as explained above, I'm curious as to the diversion. Can one re-intend the energy? If so, isn't Astralwalker's 'make sure you send the right intention with your love energy, marking it so it will reach Gaia and Gaia only' rather useless?
Again it seems according to these statements that one can do all sorts of things. That is wonderful, but my mind still doesn't know HOW. Is it intent? Is it emotion? Do thus, whenever there is a force to be captured and diverted, a bunch of occult priests sit in their cellar and conduct a ritual that somehow symbolises the diverting of that energy? Is it then symbols again that channel and lead this process? Can it be anything? Can I sit here and with enough intensity of meaning behind, words, intents and symbols make my own little powerful diversion? Is it just a matter of externalising and manifesting those intents I have in a physical manner?
And if so, why would I need to bring what is not of the third dimension into the third dimension?

I agree, somehow my own posting seems to answer the question, yet... not. I'm not sure how to put it. Maybe I'm just riding on semantics but as I said, I'd really like to get this nailed and any assistance is highly welcomed!

I am deeply sorry if I offended you. I am aware that my blatancy seems cynic but it is not meant as such. I am merely trying to illustrate that I feel like I'm being given content without a form to hold it and it's flowing through my fingers faster than I can lick it from them.
I would understand to turn of my intellect here if it was a matter of meditation and stillness but this magick seems to be a play on the mind, so I'm keen to let my mind penetrate it.
(And yes, I'm sure I'm burning my own fingers playing with fire...)

What you and Judy are up to is way beyond me and impressive to say the least. You see what position I currently take and from there I'm not sure if I should even start to engage with it, but don't think I don't respect it. In fact you might see some things from my end sometime soon that I will be unable to explain to myself for similar reasons, I believe.
I know I'm asking the same question again in different ways but I'm sure you understand it's necessity at times.

Thanks for all the input so far!

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Just as an addendum to illustrate the concept described in the article I translated, this article discovers the same kind of focus on Obama:
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

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I'm not sure what to say, your info is highly valuable, but it's info. Nothing more.
I'll get back when I found another method of approaching this.

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Yes, I replied to another forum member here about exactly such issues on the "I want to make my attitude on alines very clear" (or so) thread by Egg. However, I did not connect the two issues yet, thanks a lot. This gives me new leads for sure.
It's interesting that victims even develop this addiction to abuse. One could almost wonder whether that emotional state was also invented to attach the slave to the master.
Luckily, I've just about figured that I shouldn't get into that sh*t when it was up to date.

On the syphoning end however, is there something like remote BDSM? Maybe one can view the whole of what 777 is talking about as a domination matter. I shall have to think on this.

Thanks a lot!

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Ah, truly enlightening. I can see that this CAN be another mode of catharsis due to facing one's own dark side. But the trust level can't be underestimated.
The question here is, how is a master/servant relationship built between the 'waker' and the 'sleeper'?

777 would say this is media, and I have to agree, but let's put that aside for a moment, could there be any other ways?

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Well, out in the open it is stranger!
(You're a manipulative challenger already but hey, that's fine... so far.)
Yet I am already a little weary of your appearance on this forum because of the first post I've read of you. Furthermore I want to note that this 'intellectual discussion here' is so far not a fascination with evil and I don't think I am currently about to burn my fingers on anything as I've left abusive relationships way behind me. The purpose, so far, was to simply interrogate what's 'out there' and 'how' it's possible.

As for the 'sleepers' and 'wakers', I would strongly hope that none of this forum are either... but hey, if I learned something recently then it is that 'spiritually advanced' has nothing to do with how one treats other people, or at least some of them 'gurus' don't seem to have that part of it figured. Sad.

Nevertheless, I shall take your invitation by heart however, as I am well aware that many (if not most) things are well beyond intellectual discussions, or for that sake, words at all.
It's only a week since I asked "So how DO I ask a question with my body?" This was entirely in a martial arts manner, mind you (hello Kathleen, all clean here so far).

No matter, I'm most curious to your idea of bringing this, on a forum, from an intellectual discussion to an actual experience or are you about to pay me a flight to Belgium?
Bring it on!

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Okay, all well. So what's the game plan? Trust? Talking?

"Tell me of your mother." ;)

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I think we're talking past each other. What you say I live day by day. Not that I have perfected it but I've seldom seen someone so honest as me outside this board and I'm constantly working on my humility (I know, call me pretentious but I really do always try to recognise my failings).

When you cam in at first it seemed that you wanted to engage in that process of getting to know each other, now it seems as if we're back to the theory again.

If it's the theory we're on about, the only real question in my mind is: "When there is enough trust with a person, what then and what insights am I to look for in regards to this topic and how do I stay away from abuse?"

Admittedly, that's more then one question but the essence is the same.

Fill me in, I'm confused. (Or empty me? That might be more important when confused but I'd lose my focus.)

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I'm jumping into this a little late (having just noted this turn in the conversation) but I find the subject to be fascinating.

I'd be interested in any links that might shed light on the existence and use of machinery that siphons and stores spiritual/life or sexual energy. I have no doubt that this was a part of the Atlantean misuses of power.

I've read about the orgone accumulator, but I'm not clear on how it works. It seems that a principal component of its process would be intent.

I'm also aware of the addiction process through neuropeptides, and of the fact that BDSM is being used, mostly subconsciously, as a healing experience between persons who have histories of being either controllers or slaves.

The neuropeptides are attached to any addiction, not only sexual or to abuse, but even to depression or paranoia. It's hard to understand that a person can be addicted to what makes them feel bad, and that it requires reprogramming through intent to change that pattern.

But, to address the subject of syphoning...It seems that this is most often done with the permission of the donor, which is usually unconsciously given (as would be the case with a concert or occult/religious ritual), though I'm seeing as I write this that there would be ways to take it with force. It seems that whatever we see in the food chain of the organic world is reflected energetically.

Syphoning is also being done by the manipulation and control of people's frequencies through television, media and music, and especially through the shaping of our emotional output by focusing on tragedies. It does feel "good" to feel grief. It's an outlet for the trauma we've been carrying for all our lifetimes. When a catastrophic event like 911, or even a singular death, like that of Diana occurs, that output must be enormous.


Czymra, I would say that "sleepers" are certainly present in this forum as well as dark sorcerers, psy-ops manipulators and anyone else who might have an interest the energy flow that's going on here.

Also I think "spirituality advanced" has everything to do with how one treats other people, and much less to do with the type of metaphysical information that we tend to associate with gurus. This is exactly what I was talking about in the "interview with Astralwalker" thread when I joked about writing a book.

I've gone on in what may be somewhat of a tangent to this discussion in the Hacking the Genetic Mind thread.

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Get the book "Psychic Sexuality" by Ingo Swann. The most in depth explanation of all things sexual and astral. Admittedly the first half of the book goes on about establishing context and definitions and only the last part is really interesting but it is a very interesting exploration also on how the non-visible part of existence has been 'bullied' out of acceptance.

I haven't finished it yet but found some things very revealing. It's not entirely conclusive but hey.... what is?

Torrents exist, might be easier then hoping to find a real copy.

I'm glad you're bringing in the emotional aspect. I haven't really considered that enough yet. I've had another thread 'On Emotion' that kind of died a slow death and digressed... there I referred to our addiction to emotions and how it is used to fuel us in doing the 'wrong things', the short time satisfaction... find the post for more detail. The search is with you and I can't be bothered to cut of the stream of writing. ;)

The emotional side is what I have been missing from the rituals as 777 illustrates them. Now however, I can see why those rituals release an energy within the masses through those emotions, to me this seems much more important than the fact that symbols are being used. It's still beyond me how those symbols could channel the energy (or whatever it is that steers this process) but now things are slowly falling into place, especially when you mention Princess Diana etc. The focus so far was always on the ritual, the symbolism, not the emotional energy that is focused at the event.

Maybe I didn't see the wood for the trees.
Thank you.

I am sure there are but let me roam with my naivety just a little longer... there's only one of us here after all.
I agree that the conduct with other people is probably the main signifier of spiritual development, but sadly the 'spiritual skills' (for the lack of a better term, maybe "Siddhis" does it) don't seem to be handed out on a basis of brownie points.

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This sounds like group therapy and I do hope you won't play the therapist all along here. Otherwise I'll have to consider the possibility that I move into an abusive relationship right now.
So I'll toss the ball on the end of this, get ready to catch. (Where's Josefine by the way?)

So, you've asked a simple question here, and as the beauty with simple questions and my rising awareness is that you've unlocked Pandora's box and I shall unleash the multitude of answers that can be given to this question, and this may indeed happen in the danger of losing all grammatical correctness and semantical properness. In fact, the more of this I pick up the more it feels that it's spinning out of control, this time however, maybe things are actually just spinning with a longer radius. Who knows.
Off we go.

How excellent that my fingers are used to typing English in a fast and non-controlled manner that all can flow from the 'it' without thinking so much.
This in fact brings up the memories of probably the only really deep abusive relationship I had but hey, let's open this fan wider before we go there:

When asked how I got involved with syphoning however, that doesn't imply that you actually want to hear about that.
Let's start with this thread.
I read the article I translated and it just appeared like a terribly interesting topic. I have yet to figure out why I find it so intriguing. As stated before it has little to nothing to do with empowering myself by using the tools that are being explored. In fact, I might have wanted pride myself with the idea of learning a protection against them and furthermore contribute to this topic on the Nexus thread, where I brought concerns among these lines up several times. It didn't seem like anyone was listening, so hey, maybe I'm just trying to prove them wrong. There are all kinds of inputs right?

You could of course also say that this is my pattern, that this is what I now figured is a part of my self-abusive tendency and it comes down the pipe without me really realising why I engage with it. Very possible, but as I am aware of that I'm thinking there has to be more to it.

I cannot say much about this 'other' curiosity. I suppose it's one of those matters of resolving karmic residue maybe even from past lives. That still sounds way beyond me though so any such suppositions seem utterly pretentious.

(You're picking up a pattern in my words I'm sure... )

I believe I'm mainly over the abusive situations in my life and in fact, I have yet to find another big karmic issue apart from learning to pay attention to detail and... I forgot the other one. I think it's motivation... and in fact if that is the case I'm resolving that right now.

Way to go!

To get at more detail however, I think if there is abusive stuff going on, it's probably more the helper syndrome.
Yes, I have learned to undermine domination abusers, I have learned to elegantly escape them with the right mixture of humility and 'no'. No worries there. The ultimate weapon indeed has become to have an utterly brutal honesty towards all. Not that I'm completely there, I was once, but that also is a form of self-torture unnecessary. It's now become a matter of balancing the 'pushing it' side with the 'don't waste your time' side. As you might realise this very act is such an act of pushing it with honesty. I'm sure there will be people that think I'm full of myself and others that love me for it. That situation, when taken rightly is a catharsis in itself and I can't imagine myself much more vulnerable than giving out all there is. Granted, it's easier on a forum than in real life... the problem in real life is simply that no one asks for it. In fact most people are scared by me offering so much. Maybe that's another tendency of self-torture, there is a pattern.

No matter, every time I do it I learn. Is this an addiction? Maybe it is but I find it a teaching experience that brings me ever further so I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like being addicted to chocolate.


If in fact, if this is a matter of me still being in a kind of abusive relationship, and yes I think that may be so, then it is a matter of the helper-syndrome.
...and here my writing flow just dies away.
How is it that someone can make me dependant by depending on me? Why do I even buy into this? I did all I could this time to prevent it. Still, it didn't resolve. I fail at this point to come up with any justification for my actions nor for their absence. I know I don't need justification, in fact nothing really does. It's a misconception as far as I understand it. Yet, conscience, which so far was my term for 'higher self' as it lead and protected me in this rather wonderful life I lead, seems to suggest to hold on to this relationship.
No, there is no awareness of her abusing me in any way. I can not tell if she does it or not. I guess it's my pattern rather then hers. But who knows. Only further merciless self-examination will bring an answer.

To briefly account for the real abusive relationship that I got so hooked on when I was a teenager... how shall I express it. I never felt so dead as when trying to help someone live who already died inside. Rotting inside being alive is probably the best description. If it has taught me one thing it is that my problems are my problems, and other people's problems are theirs.
That does not exclude that I can change another by changing myself, for we are all one, but it means that I have to change my problems within me, not other people.
The hardest task is just to see the pale reflections in the mirror of life when there isn't some 'teacher' that smacks them in your face.

Last but not least, syphoning might also be interpreted as a matter of being economical with one's energy. There are all kinds of rules out there that suck the energy from one. Behavioural, conceptual, emotional... all rules that tell me not to feel comfortable this way, not to be fine with that attitude, not to accept this and let it go... is this syphoned energy? Is that energy I lose due to tension because I can't let things stream through me naturally, because of the rejection that's been beaten into me, really syphoned? It seems more like it turns stale in my 'body' until I can knock it out or transmute it again. Other times it's more like it deflagrates... vaporises... and floats around aimlessly, ready to chaotically jump on the next susceptible victim.

Is this the matrix of self-propagating fear demons? Is it a grand scheme? It seems more like self-fulfilling prophecy to me.




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Here comes the ball and forgive me for it being a little more offensive than a plain out question:

1. What's with the avatar picture?
2. What is the intention of interpreting the 'The Bull is Gone' post in such a sexual manner and attacking the poster for sexual frustrations. Is all your life's interpretation based on this sexual focus? Not that I can't see the subtext but what's the point of the attack?
3. Since you lead this discourse with me, what do you consider your calling?
4. Do you intend to have a distanced and authoritative wording? (Or is it just me again? Or is it a protection that you built up?)

Respectfully (your picture actually inspired me to take my musqueteer hat of and bow in elegant manner, but it's not supposed to be facetious, rather entertaining... but who knows...)
Czymra

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Very interesting.

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That's for your response oedilroed. If you're not uncomfortable answering this question, why would you build such a device, and how do you use it (in an energetic sense)?

Funny, before I'd even logged on to see your suggestion I'd found a link to that torrent in my mailbox (sent by one of my research associates) and I was already downloading it.


Besides the conjuring of negative emotions, positive, ecstatic and even orgasmic energy can be misdirected as well.

I have a theory that occult rituals, or religious...no difference there really, are all about creating an energy that some of the people attending will feel. The symbols help, awakening a connection that everyone has to specific archetypal energies or beings. The magical element of performing every step of a ritual process; every word, movement and gesture in precisely the same way as it has been done hundreds, thousands...sometimes millions of times before, creates a sort of dimensional wormhole that attaches that moment to every other moment when that ritual has been performed. This amplifies the energy in a way that couldn't be accomplished otherwise.
One of the main purposes, at least in the case of religious ceremony, is that an energy will be released that is powerful enough to have an emotional effect on those present. Since people are generally superstitious and tend not to observe from any kind of scientific or logical point of view, most who would feel the energy, especially in a positive or ecstatic manner, will be convinced that higher forces are at work...especially since that would have been the purported intent in the first place. It must be God, what other explanation could there be?

It only takes a few who feel the energy to bring many of their family and friends back with them. How many families are dragged to church because the family matriarch had an ecstatic experience and was convinced that God Himself had shown her the light?

It's good to understand that emotional ecstasy does not always emanate from the highest of sources and that an array of dark motives can be hidden under it's cloak.

Edit: the previous 4 posts came in while I was composing this. I don't know what to think about your "abuse" issues, so I'll leave that alone. Be aware though, that the siphoning of emotional energy is big business as well as small business, and also a part of behavior within the natural hierarchy of creatures. I'll return later with an anecdote to shed some light on that facet of it.

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Most excellent! Brilliant! This is the kind of post I've been waiting for.
Thank you man!
Now it all falls in place.

And in fact I might have conducted my own little ritual here. o_o

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Here's another type of energetic siphoning that I've experienced. I've never tried to relate this anecdote in writing before, and I’ve told only a few people about it, but I'll give it a try.

This happened a couple years ago in a small town in Ohio. It was the middle of the morning and I'd just made a quick stop at the bank. As I was driving out towards the main highway I could see that something was going on up ahead at the intersection...vehicles parked askew, and people milling around. When I got up to the corner it turned out to be a serious traffic accident. A small car crossing the highway from the other direction had been hit broadside by a pickup truck. The car was knocked off the road where it had traveled up an embankment and crashed into a large boulder. It was an eerie scene, the air was still and cold and it was quietly snowing large flakes. A few people had stopped to help, but it had happened only moments earlier and there were no emergency workers around. I pulled over to see if I could help, but there didn't seem to be anything I could do. The man who'd been driving the truck was lying on the side of the road where someone was working over him and a couple people were over by the wrecked car. There were others, witnesses I suppose standing around already, so rather than be in the way, I just turned and carefully drove through the intersection and up the hill.

I was feeling so helpless, and struck by the thought that there was nothing that could be done that I was overwhelmed and started crying. The emergency vehicles were coming towards me and a few minutes later as I drove into town I saw the rescue helicopter flying towards the scene. I could feel both a psychic and emotional impact in my chest. Though I didn't know it at that moment, I found out later that woman in the car was dead at the scene. She was a worker at the bank I'd been at, on her way there and had driven straight through the stop sign without seeing it. The man from the truck was eventually OK, though he was seriously injured. It was the image of him, lying there unconscious on the roadside, with the snow falling on him that kept coming back to me all day.

All during the day while I was working I was overwhelmed with grief. I was alone there, and didn't have to put on any pretenses, so I just let if flow through me. It came in waves a couple times an hour in the form of pure despair. I thought about the man lying helpless and I cried. I thought about my father, who'd recently died and cried some more. I thought about my family situation which had been crumbling around me and cried over that, and this went on periodically for several hours. By the time I left work it was dark, and I was just about spent while I drove the 20 miles back home. As I was exiting the interstate, the feeling of despair came over me again. By then I was wiped out. I felt like I'd cried for every trauma I'd experienced in every past life...and suddenly the light bulb came on. I thought "wait - a - minute", and that was all it took to break the spell. I could feel the "rider" that was still attached to me and also how it had been triggering exactly the thoughts that would evoke the emotional frequency of grief.

I've had psychic attacks before and used different methods for dealing with them, but this time I didn't pray or ask for any assistance. Instead I calmly set the intent to drive back to the scene of the accident and leave it there, which is what I did. As I drove through the intersection, which was cleaned up and empty, I simply turned, and as I drove back up that hill again, I could feel that it was gone.

When I "looked" back on the situation, I was able to discern what had happened. I saw the creature, some kind of elemental that had a wormlike appearance. It was clear, like it made out of water, and swam through the air. There had actually been a group, or cloud of them, hovering over the accident scene, and they'd been attracted to the emotional energy of the traumatic circumstances. It didn't feel evil, but it was a parasite. It held a kind of intelligence which felt like that of an animal...but simple, like a mosquito or a leech. All it needed was the instinct of how to push my grief buttons and it had me for a meal all day. I'm not very studied in mythology, but I've been told there are stories about creatures like this and names for them, though no one has been able to point me to those.

I hope this isn't too long, but I felt I needed to relate the circumstances to better illuminate the nature of the parasite. It was definitely siphoning my energy, but in some way it was healing as well, because in the days after that I was emptied of the feeling of trauma...which often seems like it’s a background layer to my being. I do think we come into this dimension already traumatized. I've never had this happen again, but I think it's good to be aware that some of the emotional siphoning going on isn't being done by other people, sorcerers, evil spirits or astral machinery. It also happens in a somewhat organic manner.

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It's this last part that I find most revealing, and no, it's not too long... see above. ;)
In fact, it might be just what's necessary to get to the ground of this, sharing those stories of being drained and having someone that listens always uncovers more than was thought before, I think.

I find it interesting, that you say that the parasite wasn't evil as such, and that the experience was in a way, healing. It is exactly that which has been going through my head today, however I would have never thought of returning to the accident and 'bringing the parasite home'.

Both your experience and mine seem to confirm that emotional energy isn't only inherent as a charge in the body but can also detach itself, being left behind like garbage.
I had the following thoughts come to me:
On this plane, it seems as if emotions work in fact like electrical charges. As we carry them and move around, these charges jump from bearer to bearer, what could explain the sudden anger discharges without reason that many of us know... this general 'scapegoating' that seems so inherent to human nature.
On another plane, maybe it is possible that the energies or their products (garbage and 'love and light'?) actually are left behind, sort of hovering in the ether, ready to be picked up by another electrically charged magnet that has a receptive polarisation.
I hope you get the picture.

However, I wonder, if there is a syphoning going on that is actually directed, especially in a case as you described it sun-toon, there needs to be an element that picks up those traces of emotion in the ether and forwards them, a sort of scavenger or parasite as you call them.

There are two concepts that support this in my mind, the first already mentioned, that emotional energies don't only swing as part of one's presence/aura but actually detach under certain conditions.
The second is the absence of any kinetic/intentional force giving a vector or speed to that released emotion, especially in this case of an accident. So to say, the absence of a ritual that focuses attention, the absence of a 'wormhole' that does the syphoning.

This may be spoken in the blue, admitted, but I would highly welcome anybody who would wish to share his/her experience along these lines or correct my model.

Thanks for all your collaboration!

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Well, I didn't really think it lived there. I could just as well have left it at the truck stop at the freeway exit where I noticed it. Going back to the scene was a way creating a situation for myself that gave me a few minutes to prepare the alchemy, and also of balancing the reality of the accident, which I knew would be all cleaned up and looking normal.

I do. This makes sense to me, more that the detachment angle you mention first.
I was thinking of it like the radiance of a lightbulb, one which some people can see as an aspect of our auras, but from 4d it might be much more profound. So...as with light or electrical charges the emissions can be collected and stored using various means, whether organic, chemical or mechanical.

I don't think it "detaches" any more than light waves detach from the sun...although I suppose it's true that the particle element of light, its photons, could be considered detached. What if, in the next higher vibrational plane, there was a more viscous or even solid element to the emanations?

As with any other source of energy, there are probably different rates of efficiency at which the emissions can be collected. Possibly much of the time they're not collected at all, being of the wrong wavelength or of some other condition that makes them unusable.
On a related note, I think the overall field of all the emotional energy being produced by 6 billion people is affecting the planet both physically and energetically, and that because we're in general so out of balance with the natural order, it may be a worse form of pollution than almost anything else we create. If this is true then the opposite effect would occur, if as 6 billion emotional generators, we produced a balanced and loving emotional field.

There's another aspect of this that I find intriguing. What is the source is of emotional energy in the first place? I don't think humans create it, but that it is created in some elemental form by the earth or through our integration with 3d manifestation. We then transform it, through a natural alchemical process, into various varieties and frequencies, depending on how we feel. This is the aspect that's being influenced in the interests of making the planet a loosh farm.

So what is this stuff? Obviously living creatures don't need it to live, and it's mainly humans who seem to be producing it.

Yes it would be great if others offered input on this, especially some who dropped out of the discussion earlier for whatever reasons...since we've now taken it in some other directions.