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I totally agree... :thumb_yello:

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After some reflection ~ I believe there is certainly something deeper going on within the psyche of both Bill and Kerry.

Show them love and respect and appreciation for how they've contributed to you. Pray that they will "make it through" this time of tribulation which they face. It is obviously more then monetary -- and the monetary crisis we all face is just a symptom of something deeper.

Despite the fact their decisions are not fully supported by all members here, this is common response "of the people" when their supposed leaders make any big decision. Some praise, some condemn. And politically, leaders will traditionally align themselves with the greater majority...

Obviously that is not the case in this setting, at this time and place. For whatever reason, have faith that it's all perfect in the greater scheme of things -- even if the reasoning of how it's so eludes us now.

If you choose not to offer financial support, give them both your blessing. They too are walking the path.

Blessing Bill & Kerry, my peace is said.

Adam K.

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Hi All,

some months ago a friend told me about this forum, I had a look, found all the points of view interesting, then I subscribed, posted a bit, and I like it here. Now I discover some changes are coming next week, I didn't decide yet if I'll stay around or not - and talking about it with my friend it appears I maybe don't understand the situation here, so she suggested I post my point of view here. Here it goes -

First - a forum has it's owners and moderators, and those subscribing and posting are invited here sort of, that makes a community, friends, etc and the owners have the rights and privileges to decide whatever they want about the place. When I'm invited to a party I usually, lol, don't try to move the furniture around or if the owners ask for some pparticipation to cover the costs I don't discuss it. One can come in or leave.

Second - I love internet forums and participate on some of them for about 10 years. Those with free access mainly, because even if the fee is very low, multiply that by 20 or 50 forums.... my budget wouldn't allow that. AN d I don't limit myself to one forum.... otherwise which one to chose? So my choice is to participate to free of charge forums mainly - would I pay to write on a forum I just discovered on the net? not sure - it takes some weeks to get the atmosphere of a place, find how many people there are one can share with. Then decide - so I wonder when the Project Avalon will become a paying forum if that will not cut out some new arrivals and thus lose potential?

I have seen that happen on some sites - some regular posters go away, the level drops down, and the site becomes a desert. It's not a question that the owners have to offer a free service, no, as I wrote above. In fact just some time ago on another forum the administrator opened up a thread saying she had trouble to finance the forum with personal money, suggesting a monthly fee, she put there a paypal button, and in about a month there was more than a 1000$ raised by a community 1/10th as big as the Project Avalon one. So the question might be about "how to get the money?" rather than find a solution that might be a problem.

Further considerations - I confess I didn't have yet the time to read about Project Camelot... :sad: I'm familiar with some data for years, and am interested in, but too busy to study it now. And reading the threads here I understand or misunderstand that the Project Avalon Forums should finance that activity (?) - which sounds a bit weird to me and looks like a mis-managed marketing attempt, I might be wrong but that's how it looks from the outside.

Normally every section of an organisation should finance itself. Or exchange one with the other that brings the money in. If project Camelot has books or DVDs or t-shirts, those should bring in enough money to finance further projects, further interviews, travels, books. I understand the wish to let that work free so it's widely knowns, though. But maybe the "how" again is mis-managed?

Internet marketing is a very interesting tool. A lot to learn there - for instance I know one guy in "relationship" business, who sells his DVDs, CDs. His products are widely known, in his area, he has a terrific mailing list that grew above 1.000.000 subscribers. He sends regularly summaries of what's in the DVDs, courses etc, carefully written so the data are widely available, but leaves enough mystery (yeah, it's a marketing glue, lol) so people buy more and ask for more. And the forums pertaining to the subject are free of charge.

The communication lines of the community are free and for free. And that makes the subject grow and become widely known.

Well - that's just some thoughts, maybe useless maybe not. I feel the freedom to communicate should be protected. And on the other hand guys who do the work, like the owners of this site, should earn plenty of money too. I don't think otherwise - I'm a management consultant too ;-)

And to put it really simple - from my maybe uninformed as yet point of view it looks like this: let's say there is a car company that produces the best and environment friendly cars. It wants its products widely known and used. It organises also free seminars and parties where customers and potential customers meet and exchange points of view (some of which even to build better cars). They all have a great time. And now the company decides to charge the parties and seminars to finance the costs of the whole production of all cars... well, probably I got something wrong ;-)

But then I only write because I feel it's a pity when I hear people (want to) leave such a great place of communication like this.

Friendly
Pierrot

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My comment was not directed to people with health problems, little children, mentally retarded, people with Down Syndrome or any of the like.

I'm sorry if you felt the "shoe fit you" specifically. :rolleyes:

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conscious media network has loads of ads but i still go there often for there great info. What is stopping everyone from creating a truth based forum, and waiting for it to get popular and making $ off it.The people created a good community here( bill and kerry didnt do much to build the vast group of people that make pa what it is) So you dont believe in charging for the info on pc, but charging for a forum is better? This website has pretty much been the same (except for the forum) since its creation. The rest of us have to find ways to create resources's . But kerry and bill get to profit off of truth networking. On the promise of making pa "better". Havnt seen anything new from them in a long while. a 15 min phone interview with st clair and a reach of an interview with deagle( not saying much new). And saying well its only a 1$ , well the governmente says the same with taxes, dollars add up and someone gets more of a free ride, I will read still and not share cuz i will be restricted from doing so, not cuz a 1$ is to much, make the site what you say it will be and then maybe people will make more donations, why does pc have to be there career that they must fund, its obviously not a full time thing since we get on an average of one new peice of material a month, I used to check pc everyday , stopped and havnt missed any info cuz there has been nothing of any relevance. I am part of a few forums all of which are free what a forum was intended for, I am a bill harris student and do believe in demanding value, but you have to give back value, what are bill and kerry giving now, not in the past now, The ground crew is making this forum what it is, just run adds then how you guys make your $ or how much is your business, charging for other sections or services is one thing , running a forum program, by moderaters who are doing it out of the good of there heart, and charging for it after it gets popular enough sounds like a scam to me, not what i heard pa was for in the beggining

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It seems you're the only one who thought that was funny. That's not a good sign when people can't laugh anymore. That's sad. :(

Maybe it's getting too serious around here.
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Thank you for the explanation :)

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Thanks for writing Pierrot.

The actual situation becomes somewhat obscured by people posting the contents of their speculations and misunderstandings, which grows from there.

for someone to read posts about this, it's not easy to get an accurate picture of the situation.

As I understand it, the situation goes like this:

Bill and Kerry found they had a common purpose and interest in discovering the truth in the area covered by Camalot, and to create a safe space for whistleblowers to come forward with what they know about it. And to make that information freely available to all people.

They both had or came into a bit of money, and used that to finance the project.

Fast forward to now.

they have both used up all of their personal money, and the project has come as far as it has. which is much farther than things were before Bill and Kerry started their project.

Their interviews with St Clair, Green, and Wilcock benefited Camelot, and St Clair, Green and Wilcock, as well as the rest of us who were able to follow along through their generosity.

As Bill and Kerry saw correspondence from more and more people displaying interest and support for their efforts, they decided to do the Avalon forum as a meeting/networking place for Ground crew as described in George Greens Channeled books.

Obviously, it took off harder than anyone expected it would. It's very popular.

But it was always the intention for it to be subscription based. It said so from day one. Right up front. The reason was for funding of the ongoing work. It was never for marketing considerations, as there has never been anything to sell.

There might be now, but the Camelot data has always been free, and will remain so, as per Bill and Kerry's statements.

Interviewing whistleblowers and truth tellers, is their job. It's just never paid them, aside from any generously given donations.

Now it's simply time to start paying them for their work, as otherwise, the work can't go on.

I personally think subscription is the way to go, for many reasons.

If I was them, I'd not like to have to depend on whether any felt like paying me something this month so I can pay my rent, or stock my refridgerator. Subscriptions will be predictable. Donations are not. What if your employer, or clients got to pay you "at their discretion"? How would that make you feel?

Me too.

There is going to be a great deal of added value to being a member here. It's never just been a place where people can go to yak. You can do that anywhere.

This place has always been purposefully created as a meeting/networking place for ground crew. Many hundreds who never understood that, or simply didn't care, have turned the forum into a majorly "off topic" forum. Much is on topic, but much is off topic.

Subscription will have the added bonus of weeding out lots of those who just insist on selfishly going on about anything they want to go on about, instead of making any effort to deal with the subject matters of Ground Crew.

This is all obviously my opinions based on my observations and discussions. But I believe this to give some context to some of what can be read in all these posts and threads about how people think Avalon can better serve THEM.

I think it's an honour to be able to be in service to Avalon, and be a part of it's service to Mankind.

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MyPlanet2---well said, well put and much needed. Thank you for taking that time and effort.

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Well... for starters "we" (the members of the Avalon Forum), are NOT their employers so I don't think that's a good example.

If they implemented a Donation scheme, and the "proceeds" vary, then they would just adjust their schedules and travel "when the money permits".

This has nothing to do with paying their rent bill or re-stocking their refrigerators... :fisch:

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MaskMarvl...you misunderstood...please re-read. If still unclear, I would strongly suggest reading all of the information on Project Camelot and the "youngest threads" here from Bill and Kerry. MyPlanet2 has the right gist of it.

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wise words amp... i think that those words is the bottom line....:thumb_yello:

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Well, since it's in their court of Camelot, they get to call the game. They've left lots of ways to play open, but the bottom line is, they have to have the money to continue their work. And they deserve to have it be securely so.

If one important interview is missed because of no travel funds, then that's too high a price to pay, so that the "service to self" majority can continue consuming on somebody elses nickel.

those who can't afford it are one thing. Those who object on conscientious or philosophical grounds, that's another. But those who just want to behave like squirrels, grabbing anything that interests them that comes within reach, is too much.

They can get back on the horse, or donkey they rode in on, to keep the metaphor going.:tongue2:

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am i relly reading this right? this is still divide and conquer, you are talkin o weeding out the ground crew? i was under the belif we all was equall? so ur better than the rest and so is bill and kerry couse they stand forth in their own way?

off topic? who are anyone to say whats off topic for the ground crew?(yes i say tis often)

as i haf said before, we haf to pay to talk? so by that logic we gotta pay to go to work? since we tend to talk to other ppl when we work..

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Thank you for your answers, Myplanet2, that give info regarding the developpement of the Projects, and the overall intention. Which is good ;-)

I might be not the best person to ask this question to. Being self-employed I always depend upon how good my products are, be it in music, real estate or personal consulting. It's up to me to get myself more known and perfect my skills so public and customers "feel like paying me". It's actually my "thermometer" of how good at what I'm doing I am. Sometimes that induces stress, sometimes it's abundance - but I wouldn't change that basic operation (nor would I advocate you should do as I do, lol)

So I go by subscription AND/OR donations, whichever shoe fits, so long as it doesn't exclude potential customers. (I don't worry about the "bad guys", sooner or later those leave on their own)

Well... it's difficult or sometimes nearly impossible to keep a forum on one topic anyway. The important thing is the overall intention of a group isn't swamped in endless digressions.

Anyway - thanks for the clarifications answering my questions and putting the projects in perspective.

Pierrot

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What do you think Ground Crew is?

There is no intention to weed out ground crew. But I personally feel we can do without, and thrive in the absence of whiney babies, who've never conceived of doing anything for anyone else, who think everything should be free to them, even if it costs someone else.

The old paradigm is dying. I'm all for giving it a burial now and getting on with the work of creating our new paradigm. Read the books. They're FREE.

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Welcome, Pierrot.

Much affinity for civility.

One point. There is no product here for sale. the real product always was and will remain free. this exercise is to provide support in those efforts. Donation has been open for years. It's obviously not been enough to keep the project going. And I personally don't want to see a situation like in public television in north america were every so often, your enjoyment is intentionally interrupted so they can annoy you into supporting them.

If this is to be their livelihood, what happens in 3 months, or 6, when the funds run out again, and it's time to hit up the membership. then you get the "but I already paid...can't somebody else this time?"

Either way, I'm sure this will work out fine. When people see the extra added value of a ground crew nature, they will feel very "in-exchange". so to speak :wink2:

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ok, ground crew is uss, its one and all, its not one single HU-Man that aint the ground crew, just becouse of the simple reson IF something triggers this planet. like goverment, elites, planet x, meteorites, and alien income, then we ALL are inn the gameplay, not just you that are supposedly "above" uss in the chain, that is how u are speaking now, all those who spark an conversation in the forums sparks someone else, if its childish, then someone will anwser that it is childis, and some other will say its a beutiful thought, and mby even someone goes and research whats said, and wups its usefull information for all.

you sais
"But I personally feel we can do without, and thrive in the absence of whiney babies, who've never conceived of doing anything for anyone else, who think everything should be free to them, even if it costs someone else."

that is a sentence one step from wanting to be a dictator, and take away ppl's freedom and free word. u want to shut them upp so your bvelif system comes into play

so your buring the old world u say, or "paradigm" so that meens ur thinkin yourself higher than others that dont know of this, or belive what u belive. hmm sounds more like goverment thinking joined with religion to me. but hey what do i kno, i am under u in the "food chain" soo i should shut upp, huh?

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You're going to lose a lot more than whiney babies- especially if that's how you stereotype people who are having a moral issue with what is happening here.

What I'm seeing is a reinforcement of the old paradigm, not a new one, and I'm quite sad about it.

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Hi Ruby,

even in the new paradigm you will have to eat and have shelter.

I do.

And so do Kerry and Bill.
:original:

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Ground crew is working in advance of anything that might be coming our way. Not waiting to be in the same boat as everyone else.

There has to be someone there, ready with the solutions, prepared for the eventualities that may come up.

That's what the ground crew is. That's who this place is in support of. IMO.

Nobody's pretending to be any better than anyone else. Nobody is any better than anyone else. It would just be nice to get on with the work at hand without all the distractions.

It seems likely that much infrastructure we now depend on may be going away. If that happens, there will need to be people who are prepared.

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what are you saying? so a unknowing farmer that is left after, uhhm lets say a meteorite, hes not in the ground crew becouse he is unknowable of WHY it happened, and might come after? hes now in the ground crew? what? he can give uss food, and learn uss to farm and support our lives! even if he is simple minded hes in the ground crew, wether u like it or not

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hehe pressed to soon, hes in the ground crew becouse he is alreddy prepared.

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Some will leave. I've explained a few times elsewhere that, for me, this is not about those who can't pay, or have a moral issue. It's about those who insist they should get a free ride, because they think so, and shouldn't have to contribute regardless of consumption.

Time is short, and those who don't want to help, should at least not stand in the way of those who are trying to.

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Of course. I also assume it won't be based on fiat dollars and that there will be a sense of community where people contribute what they do best- cooperation of give and take and trust that each person will contribute what he/she can. That's why I suggested a donation system, repeatedly. I've yet to see a sound reason that isn't being tried first other than "there's a paypal button" but I'm not donating anything until decisions have been made and I know my money isn't going to shut people out. The way we exchange money has our energy attached.

That's more in line with a new paradigm, not forcing people people to pay to share information that would benefit others. And food and shelter isn't that expensive unless you plan on living at a high price exclusive ark or something- which I don't begrudge but when you're going to throw out the food/shelter reason then the ark should be brought up.

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The farmer may or may not be. depends on his intention. Ground Crew is defined in George Greens Books. Have you read them?

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lol. a free ride? its the ground crew givin you all the info to support this site.

i suggest u think aboot that for a sec, becouse i haf, and i think i am blessed to haf the privilage to read what others think, in my mind, its we who should pay each individual becouse they provide the info, they provide the numbers that enter this page, they provide the time and effort so you can sitt there and judge them...

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exuse me, are you arguing to say that not all are inn the ground crew? child as old ones, smart and not so smart, u want to divide them couse u think u dont need them? or aint of their kin?

no i havent red that book, i know the meaning put here, and what was original idea here, it was for so all could come toghether and get anwsers, not be afraid anymore, support EVERYONE. not divide em more, and copying the rules of the elites and goverment

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Hi Ruby,

Maybe you want to read up again on how all info will stay available for all on the forum.
Info is free and will be free in the future.
Bill and Kerry are passionate about all the info to be free...no charge.
I was mordicus against subscription until I heard all the details. and then I surrendered without hesitation.
It is about shelter and food and doing the work they have been doing so courageously.
I want to support that and help them.


As for Bill and The Ark in Australia....grinn...at this time it is a dream he voiced...a dream he wants to pursue. I wish him all the best in attaining that dream and make it come true.:thumb_yello:

I have different dreams and I can't afford them either......:wink2:

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I want to help and support that, too but not at the expense of losing information. I've read up on all the information, repeatedly. I do not make my statements without researching first and- if you've read my previous posts- you'd know why I feel this way and wouldn't assume I haven't read up.

There are many lurkers here and read only is fine for them. But even lurkers have insight to share at times and they step out and do so when they are "called" to. Will they pay to do that or just take their insight elsewhere or keep it to themselves? It's what we will lose that's the problem. And we won't even know it.

My only point about the ark is it costs several hundred thousand to join. So saying they need to pay for food and shelter- it isn't like we're talking about regular rent and groceries here. Good for them but it isn't fair to throw that out as a reason for a paid subscription, especially when many are struggling to pay a regular mortgage/rent. It's kind of "in your face" really. Sort of like tax money going to bailout out banks who use the money for luxury retreats.

Again, why not a donation system? And have my previous posts been read at all? And how is doing the same thing "a new paradigm"? What's so new about forcing people to pay to play?

:wub2: to you all. I have no ill will, just questions and concerns. I'm okay with what you guys decide because it's your forum, your path. I hope it works out for you, I really do, but I think membership will decline and the variety of insights we see now will vanish as people become lurkers.

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Then we're simply talking about different things. I'm talking specifically about Ground Crew as described in George Greens books, and which is the definition in mind in the creation of this site.

Not just "people on the ground". Lol.

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The mods and admins here are blind or they choose to stay silent.
I posted twice now and everybody just passed them by and kept posting the same thing.
All you keep saying is "the content will be free" "you can still read the info".
How can i come here and post new info, valuable info?
How is anyone with anything relevent to say supposed to come here and post? YOU ARE CHARGING TO SPEAD KNOWLEDGE.
Knowledge is power. YOU are charging to have power.
This place is now the JASON Scholors & The tri-lateral Commision.

1.) Yes i personally believe in Bill & Kerry's mission.
Yes i believe they have started the foundation of something good and pure.

2.) Yes, i believe they need more money or help to keep this going.

3.) NO, i dont not agree that making a forum a subscription is the way to make money.

Trust me, i ran REVforums for 6 years and i know what i'm talking about.
Project Camelot & Project Avalon are new and very, very, controversial.
Do you really think that "others" are not watching, posting, directing?
This is a test. Why doesn't anyone see that?
If you decide to do something for the betterment of mankind the evil entities wile try to devour you by turning what you built into thier tool.
Let me be very very blunt:

Bill, Kerry, If you decide that this is the only way to make the money you need without looking at other ventures, you will fail.
You must understand how humans work.
It's the message that counts, thats what really matters.
What message are you sending to the powers that be if you use their system to get your "positive" message across.
You are the navigators of this ship. You control where the destination is.
But there are huge waves and attacking ships trying to vere you of course so those that follow will lose their way and once again be lost.

I can not say it any other way, please look inside and you will know what i say is true. Do not feed the hate.
I proposed to move to your town, get a $400-$500 dollor an hour job, still take on CGI jobs which pay $1000's for each job, and hand it all over to you to fund your venture so you did not have to start charging for ANYTHING! The dvd's , t-shirts and others are also fantastic ideas that will make way more money than 10,000 subscriptions.
And it sends a message that we dont need the "system" to create a new world. We dont need their "system" to live happy or healthy.

I love you both, but if this is your only avenue to take, if you refuse to accept any other means of support then it is clear that the "intent" or your venture lies elsewhere and not with the people. And if this is true then Avalon has fallen And they win!

Pease, Love & Light

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It's not my place to go into it, Ruby, but it is about food and shelter at this point. I believe that to be true. Solid provision needs to be put in place if it's to continue.

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then why are you here? why are you imposing that belif system here? when its mostly written here that the ground crew is all.

its not diveded, its not looking down on ANYONE, its not casting anyone out of the flock.

it is all are equall, we are here as the ground crew to give and get INFORMATION (do i haf to spell it?)

we are here to help, and give anwsers, and as many say here, its so that all can have the chance to speak upp, many here just surf and look and read and not catching everything here, but something resonates with someone, so they search upp info of the subject, be it books, be it youtube vids, or interviews, or announsments u dont get from the mainstream.

or its like giving tips to survive in the nature, as for me i rang my farmer friends to get little more detailed info how to survive in the forest. since i didnt remmember all i learned from growing upp in the woods, and i count those persons i rang as fully fledged ground crew members

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We are brainstorming that right now. The idea is a maildrop like you might
have in your front door where information could be deposited. Rather like
comments in a blog. It would, however, be heavily moderated and would be discarded if it did not add value to the information at hand.

Or you could go to Alpha Rubicon, or Another Voice of Warning, where the restrictions are even more strenuous. At Alpha it is publish or perish. They do not tolerate rubbish and require one quality original article monthly or you are out. AVOW has over 1900 active members btw. Must be something good going on in there, but you will never know cause you can't read it unless you JOIN UP

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exactly, all are opening upp someones mind at some time, and its from everyone. its so true, we should then pay all who writes here, and puts in time and effort to get info and pictures to post here to wake ppl upp :)

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I'm convinced there is no cerebral truth that's going to resolve this. None of us are right. For 2 days I've had this issue burning me up. I so much want an outcome to this that exceeds all our expectations.

The axe is going to fall soon and a decision be ruled. I have many times been blown around by different arguments on this thread and believed I was watching a war break out. Actually, it's mostly aliveness and passion that's broken out here and it's wonderful. People are starting to put themselves on the line in front of each other.

It's an exchange of energies and an intimacy amongst a people who are on the whole, by reason of simply being here at this time gathered around Bill and Kerry's creation, are ready to reach for another level of intimacy. A 'no hiding places' common intimacy. It's what aliveness is.

My sadness is in predicting that when that axe has fallen, when the immediate solution has been ruled, we will all go back to a cerebral sleep only vaguely aware and trying to intelligently guess 'truths' again.

Yesterday I tried really hard to put myself in Bill's position and to see all this from his perspective. The conclusion I came to was that he in particular, but it possibly includes Kerry also, intended to have a fairly cosy little ground crew forum. Nothing wrong with that. As I see it, they don't want another ATS. Massive traffic and advertising is not what they feel they created this for. If I'm correct about that, I agree.

If you read all Bill's posts it's very clear that he is a 'genuine' guy with a quiet controlled manner. He's spent most of his money on this. He's not a bread head. Zorgon cracked his 'cool' precisely because of that.

I admire Bill's personal sojourn. I'm even willing to do what I can to care for him. My problem with that is that I don't share his apparent instincts about a couple of his closest Camelot friends or guides. Not wanting to alienate myself, I've never been able to just 'spit it out'. Many people here have said things that have echoed my feelings in this regard but have been banned or have become otherwise disinterested in contributing to the heart of this group or ground crew or whatever you want to call it.

This current issue that is sparking people up from all directions is telling us the way to go. It's screaming obvious. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I don't think Ryan, Cassidy, StClair or Wilcock or even all of them together could handle the size and acceleration of this huge thing that it is, without first cooling it off again. I know I couldn't and I am one who would very much like to keep it going as it is going.

I say drop the axe and go ahead and do it. Bring Avalon down to size. Get comfortable with it but don't forget what began to happen here and try to return to it. Even if the worst happens and it becomes a cult-like beast, disappearing up it's own time line, it will at least have been a precious lighthouse that kept a lot of people away from the rocks beneath it.


My 2 cents worth. :soccer_h4h:

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You'll still be able to read all you want, but if that farmer gave you some awesome tips on surviving in a forest you'd be paying to share that with the people here. That's my issue. Would you pay to do that or post elsewhere or keep it yourself? That's why the force to pay to post makes so little sense to me. You pay to post and all posts are property of Project Avalon...

This is just not settling well with me at all and I still haven't seen a good reason other avenues aren't being tried first, especially given the divisiveness of this issue. This is not new paradigm, at all. :zip:

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Nobody is planning on charging for anybody elses work. The idea is to pay a monthly or annual subscription fee to participate here. Not for information. The information is and stays free. anyone can come anytime, and read everything on the open forum. Rather it is for the expressed purpose of supporting Bill and Kerry in their work. That's all. If they are not supported in their work now, the work can't go on.

the place was created in support of Bill and Kerry's work, and as a place where Ground Crew can find others of like mind who want to share information and to create networks and form communities.

I might add. Bill and Kerry have both said this is the last thing they want to do. There just is no choice. If you want to stop subscription, make it unnecessary. Right now it is vitally necessary.

Re: The Goodbye Thread / Options To stay
 

Can't afford a subscription as on a tiny pension (early retired), haven't read all the thread, but the title suffices. I'll be very sad not to be able to take part any more.:tears::tears::tears: