Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

IMO, I think the OP's question is a good one and not intended to offend anyone. I also think naming names is important, it prevents even further paranoia.

Personaly I think Bill and Kerry are sincere in their mission and like you and I are doing their best to fine tune their BS detecters.

I think it's realy important that everyone do their best to be honest, even if that means someone may get offended. This being said it's just as important for people to be open to positive criticisim. Beating around the bush only slows progress.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

TRUST YOURSELF, because everyone you see in the outer world is a reflection of you, if you trust that God will show you the truth then you will see it, so relax. Those who criticize others, have some problems within themselves, because they are criticizing themselves actually. No? BTW criticizing doesn't feel good, but admiring and praising feels wonderful. So let's attract the truth.

With much love and gratitude ....

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

Hi, QueenOfLeon:

Please explain to your friend... :original:

We have no fear of the authorities. If we did, we'd not have been able to do anything we do. We'd simply have frozen to the spot and stopped ourselves after a couple of months.

Fear is (as David Icke says) a four letter word used to control people. We refuse to be controlled.

Our motto at Camelot is: the best place to hide is out in the open. That's why we publish our real names. We're SAFER that way. If we disappear, people will soon notice. If QueenOfLeon disappears - no-one will know, because that's not your actual name. I mean no disrespect here - and certainly don't wish you any harm! May we ALL remain safe here. But do you see?

So this is why we have made ourselves so visible.

Besides, you have to realize there's nowhere to REALLY hide... even if you want to.

The authorities know where we live already. They know all about us. They probably know what we just had for dinner. They know who you are, and where you live too. :original: They will know the name of your friend (if they want to) - and also details of all your conversations (again, if they want to).

They have the capacity to read every e-mail, whether encrypted or not. They can listen to any phone conversation at any time. They can eavesdrop on Skype. (We know this for a fact. A transcript of a Skype call was once handed to someone - a senior retired intelligence offical - I was talking about with a contact. The man was not amused.)

They can listen to any conversation you're having - through your cellphone - even if it's turned off. Only removing the battery will disable it as a listening device.

They can also (if they want to) listen to conversations you have with your friend when walking in the park, out in the open. I found this hard to believe until Henry Deacon explained to me exactly how they can do this (by picking up vibrations on the fibers of your clothing).

So I never try to hide. I never encrypt my e-mails - which only serves to REALLY attract attention. The NSA are hardly going to say: "Darn it, that e-mail's encrypted. So we'd just better move on and read the easy ones." :biggrin2:

I don't wear disguise, and don't have a false passport. :original: I just make sure I don't break the law. Kerry feels exactly the same way.

The only thing we don't (usually) do is announce publicly where and when we're interviewing a witness. Not because it might endanger us - but because it might endanger them.

We met with and interviewed Bob Dean again yesterday - and announced it here after we got the video "in the can". We'd had it arranged several weeks beforehand, but never made that public.

They could squish us like bugs... but don't do so. We do think we're protected, actually - both by benevolent ETs and by senior intel insiders (and we thank them here, assuming they're reading this thread!)

It amazed us quite a while back what we have been able to accomplish. The latest thing that's amazed us is this Forum itself, and how fast it's grown. We just do what we do, remaining thankful for all the support we get and the great privilege of meeting some of the people we do.

Very best, Bill

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

whoaa, it must be getting late...
I thought i read the Title as th last word being: geniuses... instead of genuine

Yes, though, i do think they are 'geniuses' !



:wub2:

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

I didnt even bother reading past the first post of this thread before I gave a response....well except for Bills response in the end, since it was the last post before I started writing this...and also because... No offense to Kerry... between the two of them ive really identified more with Bill and seen him as quite the diplomat and a trust worthy voice. I say that from my intuition of course.

Anyway, No I havent questioned whether or not they are "genuine". When I see tele-evangelists I question if they are genuine, but Kerry and Bill arent on TV collecting money and saying that what they are communicating is law. I see them and Camelot as a medium between the truth and myself, and of course it is up to you and I to decide if we are going to digest it as the truth or not. Ill tell you one thing, in my short sprint on this earth thus far, no information has struck a chord with me in the way that the information they put out has. I give myself alot of credit for being good at deciphering whether something is true or false... just like many of you give yourselves credit for the same. I actually think that all of us being very like minded...of one consiousness if you will, as we are is TESTIMENT to the genuine nature of what Bill and Kerry are doing. QueenOfLeon Maybe your homeboy just isnt ready, luckily alot of us possess enough compassion that we arent gonna let people who arent ready to swim or learn how, just drown. However, I also wanna say...before I go. I think its fu@kin awesome that this topic was brought up. It should be our major function to question and question and question again until we REALLY know the truth. If you were offended by this topic...you need to take a step back and think of how open your mind really is.

Aalooooooooohaaaaaaaa,
Roland K

P.S
I dont hide behind my name...I just like alter egos :biggrin2:

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

I think Bill and Kerry are doing a fantastic job, two people with nothing but an honest wish to find the truth!

and to be quite honest, they have put the money where their mouth is, dared to take what started out as a small side-project further than anyone else would ever consider, and actually made a bigger difference than most people that are merely observers and consumers in the world we live in today.

They sure has made a difference in my life when it comes to 'waking up' to definitive, certain aspects of the power structures, and I have been an active seeker for spiritual truth for 15 years.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

Didn't Kerry say: "question, question everything"?

That is sound advice ! :original:

My guts tell me that these two, Bill and Kerry, are genuine in their intentions ! :thumb_yello:
They are doing a fabulous job !


Many blessings to Bill and Kerry! :harp:

NAMASTE

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

Well said Bill.
We encourage you and Kerry to keep doing that job.

And there are so many witnesses that if anything happens, we will know that the Governement is the first one to take the accusations.
You got over 3 Million witnesses already.

By the way, when are you going to post the new Robert Dean video?

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

The moment you say "Why doesn't ____ do ____?" or in this instance "Why doesn't TPB close down Project Camelot?" you have used your conditioned limited thinking to assume that you know the motives of another.

This is an arrogance if you believe you can understand a persons motives and even a greater arrogance if you believe you can understand the motives of a global organization.

This is the same argument "If there are aliens, then why don't they land on the White House lawn?"

Well, its because you believe that landing on the White House lawn is the most appropriate action for an Alien to contact us.

You have to stop assuming motives in other people that match your current understanding.

Entertain motives in others that you completely don't understand.

Most of the time, if it doesn't make sense, its because you don't have all the information when dealing with logical people.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

And hackers seem to have posted Sarah Palin's e-mail now on the web ( http://wikileaks.org/wiki/VP_contend...h_Palin_hacked ).

http://media.arstechnica.com/news.me.../family2-1.jpg

Only those that have watched the 4400 will probably get this humor:
"Don't **** off the baby".

Imagine the soul in that Palin prodgeny, wondering, just how strange the adventure may become!

It seems to me the only security that matters is purity of heart and intentions, then, regardless of where we tread, we do so with grace.


~ namaste ~

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

---

oh... Zynox that's a beautiful thing to say ~

(How funny, just about the same time as your post here,
i posted one at 'Spirituality'.... and I too, mention Palin, and souls....) ; )



PS--- Not only do i think Bill and Kerry are geniuses, I believe they ARE

'genuine' souls...... ! :wub2:

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

read through the threads and havent heard this quote yet....

"actions speak louder than words"

And so far their actions and intentions have not been degenerative in the least... possibly misdirected by others, but who is to say.

Anyway their actions are exposing degenerative actions of some of the higher echelons. And this to me answers the origional question.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

And you know that it's a fool that plays it cool by making his world a little colder, Hey Jude ( all the paranoid folks here, you HAVE to trust someone sometimes. The Avalon/Camelot forums were always going to attract the mentally ill,the frightened and those that simply have no lives. Those that come here just to play 'ain't it awefull'!
Here's a new game. It's called ain't life great! Be glad that there are two selfless people that go around at their own expense finding things out that we would never hear about otherwise that are prepared to keep us the people that want to know,informed of possible and probable, definate and maybe stuff. They present it as they get it and don't try to inflict their slant on things like so much of the mainstream news. these folks and their friends risk their lives every day to do what they sincerely believe in,which is the right for us all to have certain knowledge.
Ungrates really should just not log on and browse here, let alone make thoughtless posts questioning the sincerety of its founders! Unbelievable how igorant my fellow humans can be! They're so igorant in fact,they just don't know how igorant they are!:lmao::roll1::roftl::lol3:

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

Not always so. I thought they were trying to lead Miriam Delicado into saying she was supporting the "ground crew" that Bill and Kerry are so much trying to promote. That wasn't Miriam's message, and I think she was being careful when she realized they were trying to put some words into her mouth.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

Although, a sceptic, I don`t doubt Bill and Kerry`s integrity. Some of the stuff that I read on here I find a little "kooky". But hey, that`s all part of the fun. Keep up the good work Bill and Kerry and, hopefully we`ll find the truth.
:original:

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

This site is a true source of information. It has changed many lives.

However,

Although the intention of Bill and Kerry is a positive one, it seems they may have just handed us over to opposition. Although this does not matter if you understand that we are all here to do what we are supposed to.

Doesn't stop the fact that many people may suffer because of this site.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

erm....a life lived in fear is a half lived life....damn the consequences and tell the world how you feel

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

Agreed. And I feel that this forum is giving the PTB a pretty good idea of where to start.

Fearful I am not my friend. Just aware.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

"Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?"

Let's see here: Bill and Kerry brought us Project Camelot with many people expressing their different opinions and viewpoints on what may or may not be happening on our planet, so that we the viewers could digest this information and make our own judgments. Then they bring us this forum to meet and discuss and hopefully broaden our horizons even more.....now we're going to sit here and cast aspersions and doubt on their integrity, for what purpose? to perhaps create warring factions and split up the group?

I must have missed the part where Bill & Kerry announced that they were our new gurus and messiahs, silly me, all this time I thought they were just being kind enough to share all this information with me without wanting or asking for anything in return :hammer:

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

I have thought of this myself.

Am I just giving my home address to those I would not wish to have it?

Does anyone know of anything we can do to prevent this, apart from the obvious like post only from web cafe's etc...

I mean, for my connection, I pay through the bank, the provider has my home address and mobile number....etc.....etc...its all there for THEM if they want it.

I feel like I've just kinda let THEM know who the enemy is and where I live ???????????

For those that will say "THEY wont be interested in you", im not so sure about that.

Merlin.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

Surfing on the internet is monitor, the law applies to all communications network, AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, Goggle, MSN, Yahoo,etc. They have to provided the info about websurfers entering into questionable groups. Now if you blame Bill and Kerry for getting on the goverments hot list no one force you to become a project avalon member. Just like all of us Bill and Kerry are searching for the truth outside of the main stream. I for one I'm glad they are brave enough to share it with us looney toons who love to question even the oxygen they breath. This my friend is the debate club, no pun intended. :tongue2:

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

My gut-feeling about Bill and Kerry is that they are 100% genuine, but I also feel that they are just a tad naive, that does not have to be negative, naive can also be innocence and trying to see things without prejudice.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

Yes, for sure, point taken.
I was not trying to blame Bill and Kerry, I've followed what they've done from the start. Just a general comment on the "hot list" as you call it. Can we do anything to avoid this? Can we block our IP? Im not to much of a tech head to know the answer to this.

Ta,
Merlin.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

I find this post interesting, more for the reaction displayed to it by certain members than the subject matter itself.

Firstly, my heart tells me that Bill & Kerry are genuine, though I still use discernment and intuition when evaluating the information given.

I must admit that, when I first was recommnded to Project Camelot by a friend, I "googled" the name and found a project of the same name had been carried out by the American military in the 1960's:

From Wikipedia:

"Project Camelot was a social science research project of the United States Army in 1964.[1] The goal of the project was to assess the causes of violent social rebellion and to identify the actions a government could take to prevent it's own overthrow."

That freaked me out a little though I never bothered to research any further to see if the Wiki information was factually correct.

The reaction by certain members posting here is interesting. It seems to me that certain individuals feel threatened by having someone question Bill & Kerry, as if their world view is under threat.

As stated in a previous post, I feel that we should be open to questioning everything. If you think the question has no validity, ignore it. If you wish to add your answer to the question, go ahead.

But to castigate someone for asking a question, just because it conflicts with your view of world, is dangerous, in my very humble opinion.

Peace to you all.

Re: Has anyone EVER questioned if Bill and Kerry are genuine?
 

If I didn't think the intentions of the people who run projects camelot and avalon were sincere, I would have stopped reading long ago.

Instead, both sites have tapped into a curiosity of mine regarding the universe. This is why I keep coming back.