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He did ! It was about nine ten years ago.

I woke up during the night,

it was like "silver" vacuum that blocked my ears.

I felt lifted in my bed to a very bright silver light, and I heard a voice,
he said something to me, his voice was so familiar, kind...

and I asked him twice;
" are you really jesus" "that jesus the christians talk about"

and he laughed so heartily...very strange, someone was fooling me.

a.

Re: multiverse...
 

I don`t think that was him :naughty:

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

:mad3: I am not a potted plant! :mad3: I am not I am! :mad3: I am somebody! :mad3:

Re: multiverse...
 

as I am not humble enough to meet him ?

But, why did the angel like beings with the spacecraft come to see me...?
(and that was even in police reports, all that...:original:)

and then somebody saw an angel behind me in a cafe...:original:
very weird, indeed.
a.

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Oh honey, you are too smart for us! It takes time to digest.
a.

Re: multiverse...
 

Annemirri
With respect you are not actually saying what you believe except in yourself and yes thats enough. Your saying what you dont believe in. That ok too but I would like to hear where you are coming from.
Dont think Angels would need a space craft not that I disbelieve you saw Angel like beings.
Regards
Chris

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What do you mean by asking where I am coming from ?
I don't really understand.

I do not have any masters, spiritual teachers...
or any books, ideas, religions, ideologies that I would promote, or even suggest to anyone else to read or study.

I am open minded, open to learn more.

(p.s I did not just see them, I went into their spacrcaft, and I flew away with them, or maybe...that is why I do not believe in anything that is taught here on planet Earth, I find all that quite amusing, to be honest.

Hmmm...maybe I believe in universal laws to be free...without limitations.)

a.

Re: multiverse...
 

Thats fine and thanks, you answered my question.
An enlightened being does not need anything either and smiles at our lack of understanding and is also completely free except for the law of Karma which is a universal law. Consequences for every action, thought word and deed. Good Karma is there for all, has to be earned though. Thats the law.

Chris

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Yea, Beren ...... totally inspired line.! and i think that means there's no either/or here ..... but BOTH. so, it's sorta like you can't have the sky without the earth ... not if you're human, at least.

I LOVE U2!! Good lyrics, good rock n roll, Celtic brothers. :thumb_yello:

love,
hippihill

New Paradigm
 

We as a human race are destined to reach for the stars,
evolve to widen our experiences, lives, to other dimensions, vibrations, frequencies, you choose the right words,

and there we cannot any longer talk about "Christ" or "jesus".

WE have to find the inner truth in ourselves without any masters,
religious figures.

-
I read all the posts in this thread again,
and it really saddens me to feel the narrow mindedness,

if I say that I am not "humble" bow my head whatever I face in life,
it does not mean that I am arrogant, self centered, loveless being who demands love and respect without giving anything back,

why cannot you see ?

It is tough love.

When I was a child, I was a very shy and loving being,
but when the spacecraft came I did not hesitate a moment, but my more humble brother was cautious,
it was not for us, and stayed behind by the window looking at me when I was ready to step into a new dimension,

new experiences which literally opened a new universe for me.

What could be more enlightening than that ?

The truth is there will more who will soon face the same choices,
to be humble or take your chances ? some will be left behind.

a.

An Eagle
 

A humble being won't fly above others, above the clouds, to seek the Sun.

The Eagle/ Phoenix is free, full of joy and light.:original:

a.

Re: New Paradigm
 

I dont have the slightest problem with this A.
Its a question of definition of humility.
I kneel only before God and that is my personal understanding of God, not of any books though they helped, but the experience of being loved which rendered me incapable of speaking for two days, just filled with bliss and love for and seeing the love in all.
However I accept the law of gravity and other cosmic laws that come from a Supreme Intelligence that I call God for want of a better name.
Chris

Chris

the humble man
 

Greybeard,
your humility is breaking my heart,
but more than that my heart is aching from finding you labelling yourself
as a recovering alcoholic for the rest of your life.

Please,
I am not any kind of teacher, but please, do not do it.
It was just one step in your life, and you are over it now.

Life can give you much more, you are a scorpio EAGLE like me.

your friend,:wub2:
a.

Re: New Paradigm
 

Is it not narrow minded to call my reference to the words attributed to Jesus..."narrow minded"? I have decided to follow Jesus. Though none go with me...still I will follow. No turning back. You seem to have missed the crux of what I was attempting to communicate. This saddens me. :sad: Having said that...I have repeatedly stated that the first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. Can I not attempt to harmonize my life with the words attributed to Jesus....without having a God...in the generally accepted sense? I'm going to repeat my original comment one last time. Please comment on the actual content of the post.

What about positive thinking and self esteem? Are they in harmony with the teachings of Jesus? Are they a new religion which is out of harmony with the words attributed to Christ? What is the underlying principle in the four gospels? Is it positive thinking and self esteem, or something else? Without going into a proof text rant, I must say that I find positive thinking much more biblical than self esteem! Faith is closely related to positive thinking, and is well thought of in scripture in general, and the teachings of Jesus in particular. On the other hand, self esteem is closely related to pride, and is decidedly not well thought of in scripture in general, and the teachings of Jesus in particular. An extreme rendition of the joining of positive thinking and self esteem is 'I Am God'...which is not something that the Bible encourages its readers to go around proclaiming!

The problem is self delusion and self centeredness. Not facing reality is a form of lying...to yourself! Self exaltation is self centered. Self degradation is also self centered. The religion contained in the teachings of Jesus is a religion of responsibility! To be responsible is to face reality...see it clearly...formulate a responsible course of action...and then to implement this plan. It is duty centered! The focus is external...not internal! When someone lives responsibly, the byproduct is appropriate positive AND negative thinking (which includes both faith and doubt), and an appropriate self image. They are the fruit...not the root! In other words, positive delusion is not the solution to negative delusion, and self exaltation is not the solution to self degradation! Responsibility trumps both positive thinking and self esteem! The religion of positive thinking and self esteem is not the religion of the teachings of Jesus. The religion of responsibility is the religion of Jesus! We should seek the exaltation of the Human Race...rather than the exaltation of ourselves. Pride goes before a fall...but so does a lack of confidence! Balance prevents a fall!

Please don't misunderstand my seemingly harsh stance on positive thinking and self esteem. A negative thinking and self degrading Christianity opened the door wide open to these teachings. They have come as a breath of fresh air to millions of people around the world! But some have found Peale appalling and Paul appealing! Teaching and preaching centered in postive thinking and self esteem have been corrective...but they should not be normative! A religion of responsibility, as found in the teachings of Jesus is, in my view, the normative standard! The humble often submit to the proud. Refuse to kneel before tyrants! Stand tall...and lift!

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

Re: New Paradigm
 

Ortho ,
I can understand that.

In fact I tried to think it over but the more I did the more it was obvious to me that I can not escape God.
He is everywhere. I walk on his Earth, breathe his air, eat from the fruits on Earth .

My soul is a particle of him, there fore HIS. I did't decided to create myself, he parted a piece of himself and created me.

And beside all he gave me free will.

I am humbled by that.

Even if I or you think tomorrow that we are separate from God, we are in fact not.
Simply it is not possible. Maybe only to disintegrate our self. To ask Creator to unmade us.

Otherwise all roads leads to Creator whether we acknowledge that or not.

Re: the humble man
 

Honestly annemiri I am not actually labeling my self. The body has an allergy to alcohol I cannot deny that, therefore I do what it takes to look after the body
I dont put any head above mine including Chris/ Greybeard. The nearest I can get to it is, and its an allegory, Chris follows me around like a faithful pet, he amuses me most of the time. I am aware of what Chris does as somehow separate from that which I am yet part of what I am .
There is a gratitude to God for this life and respect for all who have taught me.
I respect the teaching of Jesus, Christ is Jesus in oneness with God and at a different level from Jesus. I dont know if I making sense. I am endeavoring to let go of all that I am not. That takes time. Till then I respect the functions in my life. Ie I play music, I sing but thats a function not truly what I am.
Anything I feel or believe does not invalidate anything you believe annemiri. A Scottish saying.
"You know your own know best"

Thanks for your kind thoughts.
Chris

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Mr. Grey you are a humble man indeed, to recognize our own faults is not an easy thing to do. You are indeed a good brother and friend to many here, a true source of inspiration. My hat is off to you Chris and the soul who is touching mine.:original::thumb_yello::wub2::wub2::wub2:

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Forgive my Scottish Scorpio humor.
We are both touched.
By what?????

Divine madness.

Though my God is singular the following quote applies.

"Those who the gods would love they first make mad"

Going the club anyone???

We get awful serious times my friends.

I always come back to your Quote Beren and I thank you for it.
Love love and then see what happens.
We are all touhing each other here my friend Frank.
A lot of love on this thread
Thanks Beren for a place of sanity.

Brothers and Sisters in arms

In Dire Straights???
I think not.

Chris
Namaste

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Divine madness indeed and maybe a good glass of ale. I am not of a drinker but as they say down my parts, yo voy a mi ! Meaning I can drink up a storm.
Jusk kidding as you all know humor is gooooooooood for the ol sooooul, opps I think I had one too many.

Love and blessings to all....:original::thumb_yello::wub2::wub2::wub2:

Re: the humble man
 

Ok, I am sorry,
but you tend to mention that alcoholism, being a recovering alcoholic,
in many of your posts and it felt to me like you were labelling yourself.

I am happy for you if that is not the case.

a.

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Great thread, I completely agree ~ Being humble is indeed a Master Key to the kingdom of Heaven consciousness that is within us Now beyond the darkness / ego illusions covering it over...

To connect to Truth is to surrender all of our human beliefs and surrender completely, 100% to the 'still small voice within' that is truly the voice of the Divine within us that wants us to be truly Free rather than caught up in a conscious prison of our own making.

Be humble before the God flame within our Heart.

I love what Mudra said: Be humble by Being here Now. Be humble to the divine within the Now.

I suspect very much that should it come our day to speak all the way to the 'creator' of these spheres of creation, the individualization of All that IS that created this universe and spheres of creation, who has it's thrown in the Great Central Sun ~ we would find a most humble Being indeed.

Being humble to me doesn't mean being powerless, and it doesn't mean affirming our separation, Being humble means being humble before the seat of God in All Life and in every single human Being.

Surrender our beliefs, surrender our thoughts, surrender our desires to God within us in the Now ~

And the Pure in Heart shall inherit the Earth ~

P.S. Great discussion and comments from all ~

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14, Greybeard ,Frank and all here reading,

My thoughts goes like this;

I wake up in the spring morning and sit on my terrace with nes cafe.
Watching a beautiful birch tree with a bird house on one branch.

Then I go in yard and admire birch some more since my favorite tree is birch tree. Then I take one leaf from birch but not from the branch, I leave it there ,just gently take it in my hand and tease it. Almost like I would tease woman`s hand.

Then a flow of beauty runs through my mind and I feel wonderful .
I then think about grass surrounding this tree and gaze again on nice branches ,waving on the breeze.

While carried away a thought comes in mind. Tomorrow this same grass will be thread upon or cut of and burned in fire. Also birch tree could be cut off and burned in winter...Yet I will not do that but again it`s easy to do that.

Then another thought comes with a bang . All this that made me happy that morning for a 3 minutes is a gift from Creator.
And all that by its beauty made a day to one guy here on earth.
All that which can vanish in a flash!

All that fragile creation was for me in those 3 minutes a real gift from God.
To make me happy.
For the next 23 hours and 57 minutes I will not think about birch tree and grass around it but when I realised that Creator has even thought of that 3 minutes in my life,
makes me humble. Makes me humble to realize that I am eternally loved by God.

Nothing is by chance.

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

"But only God can make a tree"

Personally, I suggest an elemental made the tree, working of course in tandum with many other elementals and all the spiritual beings that are required for the upkeep of the tree.

There's only God, but there are infinite individualization's of the One to make it all happen ~ :)

Re: the humble man
 

Hi annemirri
It depends upon the post I am replying to, so context gives meaning.
I can go up and down levels with ease, so I go back down a level or two to help some one else .
Many helped me recover in AA Im just giving hope, strength and sharing to others whom I perceive may or may not benefit from the experiences which were real and not theory.
Telling true stories as you know gives real meaning to what is said.
I am pledged to help the still suffering Alcoholic as I was helped.
I don't really do enough.

Scorpios as you know are passionate caring individuals and very practical.
Thats my Spiritual ego out to play ---- smiling.

Humility is for me not forgetting I needed help and freely got it when I hit rock bottom and left false pride behind enough
to get on my knees and ask God for help.

With Love
Chris

morning prayer

Beloved God
I am born now from the womb of sleep
I am determined to carry out all acts this day as offerings to Thee.
Make my words thoughts and deeds sacred and pure.
let me not injure anyone.
Let no one injure me.
Guide me direct me this day.
Amen.



Evening prayer.

Beloved
The acts whos burden I placed upon you this morning are now over.
It was you who made me walk and talk and think and act.
I therefore place at thy feet all my words thoughts and deeds.
Receive me now I am coming home to Thee.

Using these prayers and implementing them through out the day of sets Karma that may be incurred.
No negative Karma then freedom from the bondage of the cycle of birth and death is realized..
Chris

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

very nice graybeard, very nice indeed

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

GreyBeard--

I just want to thank you for your willingness to love and work-with alcoholics, as you were loved and helped once. that's the ONLY WAY "it" can work imo!

and thank you too for sharing these prayers ....... very meaningful.

love,
hippihill

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Thanks hippihill
What you have said is so true.

If you dont give it you you cant keep it.
If you dont share your strength and hope you loose it.

If you haven't been there then these words are meaningless.
From the depth of despair of being unloved to serenity.
Every sober alcoholic is a testimony to the unconditional love found in AA rooms world wide.
Walking miracles, examples of the power to be found in humbly asking God to remove our character defects.

As a result of prayer and meditation a spiritual awakening to carry the message to the still struggling alcoholic.

The Big Book of AA is one of the most spiritual books I have ever read.
Humility humility humility.
Just reminding me.
With love Chris

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

It takes humility to see that some problem is bigger that your strength now is and that you ask for help.

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

greybeard--

I have SUCH a history of alcoholism in my family (grandparents, parents, 1st husband, etc.), and so i have attended a fair number of AA, NA, & Adult Children of Alcoholics meetings. I really believe that these groups are some of the best examples on the planet of christianity-in-action. and yes, i too have great respect for the "Big Book." the proof's in the puddin!


Beren--

"it takes humility to see that some problem is bigger that your strength now is and that you ask for help."
__________________

so true, so true! and it breaks my heart to see how many addicts refuse help because their false pride won't allow them to "humbly admit their powerlessness." i know this seems to fly-in-the-face of our ongoing journey to "claim our inner divinity." but when your life is shattering, i think it's usually wise to "fall to our knees" FIRST, before we try to walk, run and stand.

love, my brothers
hippihill

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Hi hippihill
Well said.
When I was first hospitalized age 24 or there abouts nothing was really know about alcoholism, it was not admitted to. I was in a Rock Group, You drank too much you got dried out, end of story, only it wasn't for me.

Now its accepted that its an in-curable illness and may well be in the genes.
Its not treatable by the medical profession, yes they are a great help in getting a person physically fit, but mentally no.
In AA you find true professionals in that they have done, it they know how.

Thats why I read and listen to those who are enlightened, they know.

I suggest.
We need to listen to them, those in a non-dualistic state NOW.
Not theory, but subjective experience, there may be more but thats enough for NOW.
We have the greatest opportunity now for the human race but we need to be humble enough to bow the knee and ask for help from our Creator .

Chris
Namaste.

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Really ,takes humility now to learn and be before Creator.
Unfortunately all that we are taught through life is to boost our ego.

But truth can not be hidden.

See how the world falls apart now?
It`s all because the world `s premise is built on a lie.

It takes a humbleness to acknowledge that and move into right direction.

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Great thread Beren! :thumb_yello:

Nothing to add, but a biblical verse here:

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

I `ve noticed that whenever people sit and think real things and do real progress, evil comes and starts distracting.

Fight the distraction !

Let us learn real things,eternal things. For we are eternal beings.
Let us together flush away boastful spirit and evil pride spirit.

Let us embrace holy spirit!
And its fruits;

Galatians 5:22-23


But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Yes Beren the light attracts the dark, yet the dark does not have the substance or power of the light. You cant shine darkness.

Who's round is it my friend?

Its so serious I try to "lighten" up.

Regards
Chris

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A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small bundle. ~Benjamin Franklin

What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself. ~Abraham Lincoln

If I only had a little humility, I would be perfect. ~Ted Turner

Too many people overvalue what they are not and undervalue what they are. ~Malcolm S. Forbes

When science discovers the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to find they are not it. ~Bernard Baily

None are so empty as those who are full of themselves. ~Benjamin Whichcote

Nobody stands taller than those willing to stand corrected. ~William Safire

Be modest, humble, simple. Control your anger. ~Abraham Cahan

Believe in yourself! Have faith in your abilities! Without a humble but reasonable confidence in your own powers you cannot be successful or happy. ~ Norman Vincent Peale

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Peace

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Thank you Peace of mind.
Great quotes
Chris

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

Nevermind who 's round is , I will pay :original:

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

If only you could take first step,all other will unfold.

Father requires only first step, all others are his deed.
Then we open the door and marvel at the universe waiting for us.

Re: Being humble - a key to eternity
 

I think that is a beautiful way of putting it Beren.
Yes the first step is to humbly ask for help at least from a ex drunks way of thinking.
It worked for me and continues to one moment at a time.
Love Chris