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Asteram

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I think I need to elaborate a little more how this idea could work.

Islandman,

I have chosen the economy issue first because it's the most "real" of them all. Real for everybody who is being affected and even the ones who aren't being affected yet, it's on the news and in the mouth of everyone so that would it make it very "tangible and true", on top of that is being felt around the world, it's not a local event and its consequences are everywhere. When people loose their jobs, homes and retirement, it's very real.
Corruption and chaos are so visible that it's impossible to keep having faith in the system.
It's not negative when everybody can see that they can be a part of the solution or at least can participate somehow to change things around. Other subjets like UFOs, alien technologies, different dimensions and realities are just not an easy grasp for most of humanity, people believe what they see, at least at first and when religion is involved it's even more complicated.
It doesn't matter if you are a christian, mulslim or atheist, you have to eat and pay your rent so the "unearthly" topics shouldn't be tackled at the beggining, at least that's my personal opinion.
This whole thing is directed to give people hope that yes, we can change our reality and trust me, it's not that difficult. This is how and in this case I'm talking just about personal energy in terms everybody can understand:


In a personal level, our energy or attitude has been so far that we can't change things, that we have to accept what is being given to us, that we are powerless. I'll give an example here:

What would it happen if company xxxx who sells cable and phone services is charging $xxxx which is pretty expensive, of course the competitors would charge something similar because they have agreed on that, all big companies share the same policies and they talk to each other. o.k., when companies are having profits on the millions and billions and CEOs are getting outrigeous bonusesWE ARE PAYING WAY TO MUCH FOR THEIR SERVICES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

What can we do?
After many many people are aware about what is happening and we comunicate to each other, we as a group (not a small group but thousands or millions of us) decide that we don't agree with their prices so we give up to their services and go to other company, but before doing this we could send a letter saying: Thank you but I'm not interested in your services anymore, they're way too expensive, you are charging more that a just price.

Why would it happen to this company? They would have to change their policies in order to survive, they have to understand that their role is to serve their customers, not to scam them. And we do it again and again until they understand. Do you remember the old saying "the customer is always right?" Is it so nowadays? Not anymore.
The reason why is not that so anymore is because customers (people) have been "trained" to think they have no choice in the matter. When a bank decides to charge a new fee, just a few dollares for let's say, sending us our monthly balance, what do we do?
We don't like it but we pay anyway. The bank sees that everybody agreed on the matter and then what they do? They create a new fee and so on. Just do the math and see how easy is it for them to scam us. And our attitude: well, is the way it is! It it so? WHY WHY WHY we accept eveything without question it?
No need to be agressive or violent, just with our actions we can say SORRY, I DON'T AGREE. Nobody is putting a gun in our heads so we buy from this company or another we still have free choice, but WE ARE SO MEEK AND WEAK that we don want to see how easy they manipulate us. Like stealing candies from a child.

Islandman, I know Greg Bradden books and I talk about it a little bit in my first post where I explain the power in the numbers, is the same as recallone quote of the 100th monkey. I mentioned this point in my first post, Bradden says that all it's needed to iniciate a change, is the square foot of 1% of the people involved. Nos, he's talking about the power of meditation and visualization but you know what? As above as below, it has to work in the physical level too. So, let's do it!!!

THAT'S THE WAY WE START A SILENT REVOLUTION, WE CHANGE WHAT WE NEED TO CHANGE WITHOUT VIOLENCE OR TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS, BUT WE HAVE TO BE UNITED. OUR POWER IS IN THE NUMBERS.
That's the message of religions, ETs, masters and teachers but so far, we haven't being able to understand it: WE ARE ONE, WHAT AFFECT ONE OF US AFFECTS EVERYBODY ELSE.

So we know people are starving by the thousands, getting sick, being killed, jailed, etc., and we do nothing because we think is their reality and not ours. We should know better and ACT against it.

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piers2210, no caste and everybody else, thank you for your comments, I just don't have enough time to answer to each one but I'll try to expand:
We tend to think that loosing our job is a tragedy but other people everywhere have been through this in harder situations that the one we are living in the States, just in the most extreme cases of abandonment and negligence people starve to death. What I mean here is that we should trust a lot more in The Universe, God, Higher Self, the spiritual force in each one of us.
I remember when the comunist Russia ceased to exist, what a difficult time for them, but you see, they have overcome it and some of the really rich people now are from Russia. The negative aspect of it is that as usual the idea of separation is very prevalent and now they have rich and poor people as in everywhere else. Well, we are far from mature yet but after a few hard times, we will survive and we will do it faster and better when we help to each other instead of just looking for our own survival as individuals.

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Recallone, Islandman,

Being the example is difficult enough, but the moment you act the way you talk and stop talking about it people start to wonder and start asking questions by themselves.

I notice changes in my family too, e.g. after explaining why I stopped eating meat, they ridiculed me first, then they slowly started cooking veggie if I joined the table, now they eat less meat and only organic.
They started to change from the very moment I stopped try pursuading them!!!!
Now I know that they are not very interested in all the details about my findings, but they stopped ridiculing because we respect each others opinion.

Law of Free Will,
I understand you point very well and that makes it so difficult to do something. However, I'm sure many people are 'searching' for info like provided on Camelot, but haven't found it yet. I don't want to preach, or try to wake people up, not ready is not ready. But if we can just reach the people that are ready for it, that's quite an audience I think. Hence the t-shirt idea, nobody gets hurt in any way, but with the right text on it they might find their way to further awareness and perhaps even these sites if they are ready and interested.

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Asteram, I'm not sure what to answer.
It saddens me that all that happened after I linked the two threads was aggression. It seems like the physical and spiritual people on this board won't unite, curiously for the reasons I've been investigating myself for a while.

I am now very aware of the 'all will be fine' attitude and won't let it pass just like that. I am also aware not to break the good spirit through this intellectual and emotional doubt. It's simply a process that will have to become natural.

All is possible, nothing is certain. Don't believe what you see.

As for taking physical action as regarded on this thread, I am not sure I'm convinced this is the right application. The idea is good but the concept isn't fully baked.
For once, I don't think that Zeitgeist is a very good representation of our situation. As mentioned before, it does draw too much negative focus and might have all kinds of other things 'the wrong way around'.

Be that as it may, I both like and dislike the impersonal concept.
One has to distinguish between the impact one does from person to person and a 'marketing campaign' for lack of a better word.

Regarding the campaign, I think Asteram got the right end of the spectrum.

As for one to one contact, I don't understand why so many people struggle with the concept.
As said before, be the change, the topics will naturally come up, it will show in one's actions and not in words.

Eventually, I hope that some people here might at least consider what's happening over at Nexus, or observe, because even though I can't stand behind all that is going on, it is a movement that promises to be large and is filled with loads of positive people.

In fact, I find it strange that all the critical people hang out here, while all the positives are on the other thread, we should be together to maximise our efforts and keep the intention clean.

However, I tried and will keep trying, but this shall conclude my involvement here.

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In my efforts to understand economic models & solutions, what do people think of this chart?

http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/dowavg.gif

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hey no caste, I like your sense of humor, right to the point and funny

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Well said, this is so true. Change starts from within. When we realise that we are primarily responsible for our situation (the collective and the personal) and that we have to answer to ourselves for ourselves before we expect governments, elitists etc to answer to us, we will begin to see that spark grow to something more significant. It is so easy to whinge at the current "reality" and put the blame on others, whoever/whatever they may be rather than realising "Hey, I'm to blame here. I wanted that shiny new trinket. I passed that beggar by without feeling compassion. I chopped down that beautiful tree to make way for my oh so lovely patio where I can entertain my oh so impressed geusts. I want my goods wrapped in pretty little boxes with lots and lots of cellophane and pretty little pictures which take resources, when all I do is throw it in the tip when I get home."
The condition is symtomatic of our inner-beings. The current conditions are an outer Kodack Moment of our inner "not so " spiritual selves.
When we address our own inner selves and stop with all the B.S. of wanting wanting wanting and taking taking taking, then AND ONLY then will we affect change. That change has to start here, inside me, inside you. We need to lead by example.
Now here is a revolutionary idea. You go to a shop, order the spare for your P.C. (or whatever it is you may be buying) take a bag with you. When you pay, iunwrap the thing from all it's pretty trappings, place it in your bag and give the shop the waste. Tell them you want your stuff in a plain, single wrapper in future.
They feed our demand. They design new ways to catch our greedy eyes but it is all "Their" fault. We are so good, we are so pure....
As John Lennon said...."Imagine"......

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It is, I hope, obvious that I am part of no establishment or hierarchy, and part of no group

I go directly to the line above. Oh really? That then means you are not a part of Avalon? I see you are a member, but yet you preclude yourself from such membership. You say to "Excercise discernment". I wonder what exactly one can discern when a member precludes themselves from said membership?
I happen to agree with 777. I happen to agree that we need to adress that which is within to resolve that which is without. I am however beginning to wonder if you are not an agent?
Might I humbly suggest that you re-assess your abilities of discernment and begin to ply them on yourself .....perhaps not. You already said that you do not judge......
Here is what I find strange, and it is this which nearly stopped me from joining this group, thereby BECOMING A MEMBER OF IT, and that is the amount of sniping that goes on. There is definitely a lack of unity, as has been said by quite a few.
Oh well, after this post, no doubt I will also be branded an agent in a boiler room. So be it.

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wao!!!
no wonder why we can't even agree to disagree....

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Ah yes,

the Great "Battle" of our/each Lifetime:

the "battle" between ego, mind and Spirit:

the "battle" WITHIN.

Peace!

Namaste
lightbeing

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Again, thinking a lot about this subject. As I said before I'm reading one of Dr. Greer's book and I'd like to quote from it:
"There is so much we can do. But the earth is calling out for practical work: we still burn coal for most of our electricity, just like 100 years ago. Human evolution has been hijacked 100 years by the forces of ignorance and greed. So we must work for the earth now.
I'm reminded of the story of the Buddha coming across a man who had spent 30 years practicing to levitate across a stream. Near him was a footbridge. This man was very proud of his accomplishment and said, "Look, oh Buddha, watch". And he floated across the stream to the other side. And the Budha walked across the footbridge across the stream and said, "Yes, but you could have just walked across the bridge, instead of spending 30 years trying to levitate..."
It's not to say that some of these abilities aren't wonderful - they are. But one could spend a great deal of time and effort on such abilities. Meanwhile, we are destroying the Earth and our civilization is terminal. So when the great task is at hand, even important things have to be set aside". (Pag.228)

Many people have been enlightened long ago but others have come to the realization of what's going on out of curiosity about UFOs, angels, economy, energy, etc.
All whistleblowers, lecturers, abductees, authors, contactees, researchers agree that is very important that PEOPLE KNOW. That's why we know too because they have shared what they know and we were listening.
When people know the veil is lifted and they can see. That's the point. After that, no more believing the lies the powers that be are telling us, we see the news, movies and stories from a different angle, we see the motives behind every action and we start questioning more about everything.

After that comes the knowledge that WE CAN CHANGE OUR REALITY, that every single action adds up to the final result.
We seem obsessed with gathering information but there's no action.

Please don't get me wrong, I know the importance of meditation and visualization and being the light, but not everybody is ready for that, it takes time and dedication and religious believes get in the way for so many, others just think is a little "weird", so let's be patient with them.
As I said before, believes aside, everybody has to eat and pay rent so they will wellcome the information.

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hi cloud9 - I agree with this 108%. There's a book from a few years ago, "The Hydrogen Economy," by Jeremy Rifkin. It's already all ready to go, conceptually, and the idea has already been put on the ground in Iceland (public transportation as I remember).
http://www.amazon.com/Hydrogen-Econo.../dp/1585421936

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How the Hydrogen Economy Works, by Marshall Brain
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hydrogen-economy.htm

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Transportation is a big deal. On September 11, 2001, I was in the transportation & logistics business. It was a near miss in terms of whether anything would still move. There is a big backdoor world out there re distribution of goods. If food, mascara, and other key items are not available to consumers, the social problem becomes huge. Drivers were shell-shocked too in '01, but kept hauling and delivering. This is a testament to people holding infrastructure in place. The 'go shop' economic advice that followed, it's another story.

Rail is an option too. Everything old is new again (existing infrastructure - and we all love trains). I have more thoughts about jobs, employment rates - to start throwing ideas ...

love & light

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That story I shall keep abreast. Very poignant.