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There's nothing wrong with inventing new words for new concepts but there is certainly something wrong with pretending it is a new concept (when it's not) just by the act of renaming it with a clinical new term. What's more, to then proceed to highlight only the exoteric misrepresentations of the old terms (ie, soul, spirit, ascension, atma, God, etc) in order to more easily dismiss them is questionable to say the least.

Many of us have come to an understanding of esoteric meanings in the older religious texts and for those who haven't, the adepts have continued ever since to refine their terms in some of the modern texts.

Beginning around the mid 19th century some excellent metaphysical works have been released by the spiritual adepts which have clarified their concepts and revealed the thread of truth flowing through them all.

Only if the terms are misunderstood. James is hindering our understanding of the continuity of truth by misrepresenting, then dismissing, the older terms as mere products of the 'Human Mind system'. But he's mistaken about that. Those concepts were produced by the adepts to reflect the truth of 'being' and 'anti-being' in order to facilitate our Self-knowledge and ascension into higher levels of being. Believe it or not many people have already achieved that through the self-realisation of spiritual Selfhood.

All language is "embedded" with deeper information which can be revealed to an intuitive heart.

The only question really is: From what level of consciousness does the language originate?

That question cannot be resolved on the surface because the material may use some pure concepts yet be using them to deliver others in a self serving agenda.

I have compared the WMM with other channelled material and just one of the things i've found in various places is the concept of "embedding". As i said i have no objection to that, i've found it in many places over the years. WMM readers should realise that James' source (?) did not invent a brand new addition to language in their assertion that the material is "embedded". The ancient scriptures are likewise "embedded" and reveal their esoteric meaning to intuitive readers.

As paul said: "The word is discerned by the (inner) spiritual man not by the (outer) carnal man (the outer-mental faculty).

The adepts have 'embedded' similar coding into subsequent additions to the older texts and in many of those more modern works they pointedly mention that they have. So "embedding" is not a new concept by any stretch and James has likely read about it in his obvious research of other scriptural and metaphysical texts.

It's not difficult to make incorrect associations for certain words in the WMM because the mistakes are already there by virtue of James' own misrepresentations of those words. If he would present them as originally intended (and clarified frequently since) then the origin of the same concepts he uses in the WMM would be completely obvious. But he doesn't want us to know they're the same. He'd rather dismiss his own misrepresentations of older terms (his straw men) than explain their real meaning and original intent. The question, as i asked elsewhere is "why".

Further thoughts on that are here @ post #65 near bottom of page :http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...?t=7928&page=3

A common language should integrate the truth concepts of the past rather than misrepresenting them and dismissing them as mere products of the "HMS".

Problem is the WMM is trying to wipe the true meaning of those terms. It seeks to rewrite the lexicon in order to demolish faith in the accuracy of other sources in relation to itself in the hope of gaining a monopoly on our attention.

The WMM is not a universal anything. It is just another addition to the lexicon that, like everything else, prefers it's own terminology. It prefers it's own to the extent that it will misrepresent others.

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James DID write the WMs materials.

If he or a team of terrestrial creative writers didn't concieve of and write the WMM then he 'channelled' / 'translated' them from lower-astral entities in the same fashion as others do and wrote them down in the same way. The differences that James describes in the quote below are purely semantic obfuscations to make him appear singularly unique and indispensable to the rest of humanity and the planet.

James believes that our DNA can be activated to awaken our otherwise hidden faculties. --He's got a shiny new name for that too -- "blueprints of discovery". He also believes that external portals are integral to our spiritual awakening. All this is typical fodder from 'alien saviors'. There's either something physically wrong with you which they want the credit for fixing (ie, your DNA). Or they've just opened an indispensable portal which is unprecedented, which you can't live without and which they'd also like to take the credit for. They are attempting to ingratiate themselves into the role of widwives in this spiritual window of opportunity which they are powerless to prevent. The most they can do is don the sheep's clothing and take all the credit for what they know is happening inside you and which they hope to hell they can prevent.

Have you ever fed a chook with a handful of wheat a few grains at a time? It will follow you wherever you lead it.

Whoever they are (almost certainly terrestrial psy-ops but maybe lower-astral entities) they can offer us nothing we need. Higher faculties are a soul faculty not a function of human DNA. In the western scriptures these faculties were called the "gifts of the spirit" and were attained naturally as the soul came into vibrational resonance with inner-Spirit. In the east they call these faculties the "siddhis".

Throughout history many people have resolved the conflicts of the dualistic egoic mind and achieved a vibrational proximity (a Oneness) with the Spiritual-Self which resulted in the awakening of these soul powers. The (inner) portal has always been open and still is. 'Aliens' in UFOs have had nothing to do with that at any time.
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Kerry,
I'm ecstatic about your interview !! Thank You-All the information has continued to fill in many blanks that were left open from the Wingmakers inception, and as James makes clear all things will be revealed. I live by the 6-heart virtues and my life has been more then amazing!!!!!!
ROSEKAMINSKI- you have done a great service to the Wingmakers, Lyricus and Events Temple...your personal has made many people CURIOUS and now they will seek out this amazing information. Thank You-this is the best form of advertising ever !!
To all others who may struggle with the wording...don't give up, eventually you will understand. Start with embracing the virtues, quatum breathing and the rest will flow.
OneWorld719

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re quantum breathing. i havnt read every post, so bear with me if this has been mentioned. the technique described is an ancient yogic practise. its so simple to do and because of its simplicity gets overlooked. the results are quite amazing and extremely powerful, basically its all you need to do, the answers will follow. I think its the best bit of info ive seen since joining.

Om Shanti Om :original:

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You're quite right. Someone referred to it in the early 20th century as the "sacred fire breath". It's apparantly been used for millenia and practiced with success.

I'd be surprised if James acknowledged that though. He was probably the first to recieve it through the portal, post 1998.

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as individual souls we all bring something different to the table, all have different passions that lead us to our collective purpose
only we know within ourselves what resonates and what doesn't, it is not possible to tell another what resonates within them for we don't know, we're not meant to know, we are only meant to learn from their truth so we can locate our own and all move forward as one ...

have we not as yet learned to eat what tastes good for us, chew it slowly, digest what we need to to continue growing and spit out what lacks substance for our own selves ...

it comes down to respecting what you believe tastes good isn't necessarily appealing to another, BUT ... allow them to do their own chewing and digesting for if it tastes ok to them, it probably is exactly what they need for their well being and continued growth in wisdom

now i'm hungry ... what to sink my teeth into next ... hmmm

it's just a matter of respect and trust others that they know what is beneficial for them, let them decide for themselves, don't stand in their way at the buffet table and no one will stand in yours :original:

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That was what I thought also, but I see not so many differents and that is also why I don't understand that James claims all the knowledge, I am on the half of the intreview, but I did n't read realy anything new. All the spiritual things I and many people I know, knows all this already for more than 30 years. And I think that his sayings about being "dead" is not true, because, there are so many people who experience a indescribably bliss, splender and love and wisdom during a journey through the univers, during a near dead-experience.

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Dear Milk and Honey, I respect your personal perspective of what I have written and quoted from the Wingmakers "official" website, however you fail to take into consideration that the materials presented are not meant to enhance or expand old perverted mythologies of the Hierarchal Religious quarter...designed for control.

they are written to awaken those sleepers who are lulled into complacency and apathy to question "Authorities", or to not comply with the HMS.

They were written to encourage individuals to follow their Hearts...and to manifest their full potential as heirs to godliness...found in their own DNA.

Just because YOU believe, that the materials were written or channeled, does not MAKE IT SO...and I have no reason to doubt James' honesty and integrity after ten years of public scrutiny...when he tell us that these materials were created before he incarnated and his mission in this life is to present them to the world...to the best of his abilities, without distortion.


Your preconceived notions about what is being revealed in this interview, is just one more example of why comparing them with other works, only leads to confusion and blocks ones efforts to get the message, while being focused upon the messenger.

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Rose was disappointed and had an opinion about it. Leave it at that the woman's entitled. I've read far worse on here.

If you're so in touch with your personal spirit and wholeness then don't be such a bitch when someone says something you don't like. Forgive them in silence and make a positive contribution to balance it.

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Just as science is constantly redefining the Universe, spiritual explorers are constantly redefining the God-Spirit-Soul Complex. The layers of knowledge are near infinite in both cases, and, at their core, have mathematical counterparts at an octave that humanity has yet to even imagine, let alone discover. Thus, any suggestion that I perceive the achievements and contributions of humanity’s spiritual or scientific explorers as lacking or deceptive is only a result of not understanding the larger context of time and the depth of the “onion” we are collectively “peeling” – in both the scientific and spiritual dimensions. (conclusion to Interview)

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First let me say I agree with you 100%. That being said let me introduce the page which purports to debunk the Wingmakers to the N'th degree!

http://www.bielek-debunked.com/Wingmaker.html

Now I have read that page and its links. It reminds me of the 'case' against Billy Meier. Many others as well. The Warren Commission on Kennedy's assassination. Almost a 1000 pages on what Lee Harvey Oswald was proved to be the sole gunman. The 9/11 Commission with the 'proof' that the Trade center melted down from an airline strike, when there are movies of controlled demolition to bring down the Tower in its footprint. Need I go on?

The PTB can 'prove 'anything they wish . What is it, Roswell has 4 'official' versions over the years of what 'actually' happened out in the dessert? This 'case' that is expertly drawn that 'leaves no doubt' that Wingmakers is a 'fraud' leaves me cold. It seems a out of balance reaction to a 'fictional' presentation. The overkill of the 'rebuttal' sways me that indeed there is something there they wish to make disappear as they are upset its being divulged.

That, and my own internal knowing, that much truth resided in what James divulges. If you would hear him speak (.mp3's) are available on the site, you would hear a voice of such compassion and understanding that it begs the question if this person is from this planet! So powerful is his vibration. Even allowing that the rebuttal is Truth? does in no way invalidate the information contained in James's interview, which resonates highly in my own knowing. Much more so that what many of the 'whistleblowers' are sharing. Grand Portal, next stop!

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It appears to me from what you've said here that you and James are continuing to "enhance and expand old perverted mythologies of the hierarchical religious quarter... designed for control."

The reason i say James perpetuates the misperception of the 'old' is simple:

Yes the false hierarchy hijacked and perverted the old spiritual teachings. That does not mean those teachings were perverted at their origin. The inner-Mind of the adepts are not perverted and is only concerned with awakening the inner-Mind of ourselves. You fail to understand or acknowledge the difference between the adepts' true teaching of valuable concepts (if understood as intended) and the false hierarchies' perversions of those same concepts. However, James does NOT fail to understand that difference. That's why, in reference to them, he concentrates your attention soley on the perversions... so that he can distort and deny their true origin and intent... their true meaning and value.

James is distorting all that in exactly the same way as the perverted controllers have always done. It allows him to summarily dismiss the value of the adepts and their work. Yet incongruously, he retains a respectful place for Jesus in his cosmology. Go figure.

They're the same reasons why the adepts have written down their teachings over the ages (to the present hour) and why many individuals have already realised the sum of being and ascended. That means of course that they were not dependent on DNA upgrades. Our full potential can be realised in our spiritual identity.

James also denies spiritual Hierarchy. He is mistaken. We ourselves are the individual twigs and branches of the tree of life composed of myriad beings of greater and greater intelligence and power. We each have freewill and an equal opportunity to grow into all they are. That doesn't mean we all have equal attainment. In a universe of infinite growth, and opportunity for growth, some beings have greater attainment than others. The concept of 'Hierarchy' has been feared and loathed because of the perversions of that concept in the physical and astral planes. The false hierarchy who have dominated these strata have produced rebellion at the very prospect of 'Hierarchy' as a cosmic reality. But it is a cosmic reality.

Consequently, there is no such thing as 'equality'. We should serve to enable opportunity in the lives of others and in all our institutions of society. That's what the US Constitution was all about. But each will use their freewill as they see fit and grow or shrink as a consequence. If the concept of 'equality' is being pushed around we should ask ourselves who that serves. It does have a familiar ring to it. 1917 - 1991.

The materials were certainly written by James. We read them on the website and in his emails after all. The only question is their whether they originate beyond him. Then, 'where'.

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I agree with those who say this is the best work Project Camelot has ever done. Bill & Kerry are truth seekers and information disseminators (my word, not in the dictionary :)), not preachers, editors or censors. The "fraud" suggestion you make is from disinformation by those attempting to discredit the site 10 or so years ago and have since been responded to by the site's original creator/owner and identified as frauds and disinfo.

The James interview not only resonated with me, it is my truth and how I now live in this world. It is challenging in the sense that it requires constant vigilance, but once you work at it a while, it becomes easier and easier until it eventually integrates with you. I am very much still in the process and expect that I will be until the grand portal opens or I move on from this world, so people should not adopt this paradigm for what it gives to a person, but instead for what that person gives to themselves and, thus, gives to humanity and all beings. What a wonderful time to be alive and in service to existence, and what an opportunity we all have before us to return to our higher selves and to truth. Who knows if the history elements of the James interview are accurate or not, but that is not important in my opinion. What is important is where we're heading individually and collectively into transparency and expansion.

Love to all of you and, therefore, love to me.

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This discussion reminds me of something that happened about 8 or so years ago, I had read the Eckhart Tolle book and liked it and lent it to this friend of mine, ( a much older man) and a few weeks later I asked how he liked it.

He said it was good, it reminded him of Zen teachings...at that point I said "ah". If it is the truth, does it change? If it is the absolute, does it require an "upgrade"? That is my objection, if that is what you would call it, to the Wingmakers. The claim that effective spiritual teachings that have been around for centuries are suddenly outmoded because of a portal that appeared in 1998???

I find that a bit scary. I prefer to think of the absolute as absolute, not a fad. People have been repackaging ancient teachings for a long, long time-is this a bad thing? Not necessarily, however it is unseemly to invent another orthodoxy when none is needed while casting doubt on previous teachers.

Especially when they fail to reveal anything that is new. The human mind is incapable of grasping eternity. (Mine is, at least) There are many paths to follow that can help facilitate the experience of the absolute.

Why is Wingmakers better than any other?? Why??

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Beautiful Eraser...........
Namaste

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"Some facts can only be assimilated through fiction"- a member of this forum.

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Nuff Said Brother.

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The problem with these kinds of interviews ("I am above the matrix, I know what reality is, let me explain to you"... "I am a bloodline member, ask me questions...") is that they provide no references, no threads to follow, don't precisely explain why they are so sure about their "information/view of reality", so they don't go beyond the mental construction stage (=0 information content) and are often self contradictory...

Some jesuits are full time employed to do just that, elaborate a mental construction and add confusion to an already distorted information...

With these kind of declarations about reality the only viable method (that makes sense) is the one of Bob Monroe: "you have to experience it for yourself and here is a method for doing just that"

So in the end the interview contains the following essential element: "take responsability for yourself and what is happening to this world" but adds another "Theory Of Everything" and if I had to choose one I would choose the one of T Campbell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxECb7zcQhQ) at least here you have a map, references (precise origin of the information, double blind validation...) and most importantly a method for checking it yourself...

Houman

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milk and honey, I can see that your mind is closed, having been filled with rhetoric...and busily comparing the Wingmaker Materials with all other "spiritual" teaching, you have failed to recognize how unique they are and there is no benefit for me (or anyone reading this) to try to reason with you...your are quite full of yourself.

It is obvious to me that James, nor any one individual could have written the materials...since he has no "followers" and no organization, it is hard for me to understand who you think he is getting help from. His integrity is beyond reproach.

I have watched this work slowly progress, one paper at a time, and seen how his vision was complete, before he launched the first website, and how each subsequent paper builds upon that foundation. He tells us that the LTO is measuring the frequency of the planet, and that new materials are released as our consciousness reaches a level that we can understand them...He obviously knows what the Big Picture is...and is trying not to knock us off balance with too much information at one time.


your opinions and belief system have no influence on my personal decision to activate my "junk" DNA (that were made dormant by the Anu) and to allow the perspectives of a Sovereign Integral to become my dominate reality...I only hope others are as independent as I am and will follow their hearts instead of the words of "externals".

I will continue to tear down the prison walls from the outside in. :original:

http://www.wingmakers.com/philosophy1.html

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Amazing, unique, interview. Congrats to Project Camelot. It resonates with me. Where have i been all these years and not seen this stuff before?? Oh yeah, working for a big corporation. Anyway I've quit all that now to find myself.

But it will be hard to get your average member of the public to strip away centuries of religious and spiritual teachings to reach where James is at.

As he says though, it is one person at a time. Then i guess the rickety bridge can become a super highway.

I don't believe in religion, but the idea that the power is within and not coming from some higher universal source is freaky. But I'll go with it.

If you read between the lines of his interview, change is coming...get ready and you will be fine. I'll follow his message for sure.

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If you dismiss things of value like James does you will never know if it's rhetoric or not. You'll never prove or disprove the value that can be found there. You're talking James' word at it's face... like everything else he says.

Even though i've illustrated where James got the gist of his schpiel you're still convinced the WMM is unique? James doesn't wan't you comparing it because you will discover for yourself what he has done. I put some of that in a nutshell for you and you call it rhetoric. It's time you compared the WMM with what has already been given. If you have done so already and still diss it then you've missed it.

Either you're still a teenager who understandably hasn't yet found the cornucopia of the ages - which has been distilled in the last two centuries - or you've been living in a shoe man. James claims the WMM is unique and he must know better. Look past the wrapper and you'll see it's not. You might also discern who his targets are (for demolition) and you may even percieve motive.

If he's not a lone nut then others are assisting him. It could very well be a group effort on the ground and/or the astral. There are clues suggesting who his connections may be. For example, he seems to think that a NWO is inevitable as an interim governing structure on the way to Utopia. He also has a penchant for euphemistic claptrap just like they do..

Check this:

IN OTHER WORDS: IT WILL DECIDE AND ENFORCE ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IT WANTS but "it won't be an all powerful centralised authority?". "No, i cross my heart, it will ONLY be a global public policy DECISION and ENFORCEMENT authority."

Lovely.

How would you know what he did before he launched the website. Only what he tells you.

Yup, he's a mile ahead of us at all times.

Really.

You don't say.

Someday, you'll look back at this string of hypotheses and laugh at them.

This reminds me of that scene in "Life of Brian" where he's yelling to the great throng... "You're individuals". And they reply in unison... "YES! WE'RE INDIVIDUALS!"

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Really? whats with the products section in his website and the price tag?
I like how people try to sell you common information and people buy into it and throw them their wallet instead of thinking for themselves. :smoke:

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actually you do not need to buy any of the products for sale in the website, you have all you need to manifest the Sovereign Integral state of consciousness, available within your SELF...it just helps to know what you are looking for, and the "tools" accelerate the process... ENJOY!

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Milk and Honey, as I said in the other WM topic....I find it amazing how self proclaimed "intellects" will go to great lengths to tell someone what something they have never experienced taste, smells, or feels LIKE ... when there is nothing LIKE the experience the genuine article provides.


"he who laughs last, laughs the longest", and I will be there laughing, when you finally come the realization, that what the WMs are offering is simply to brighten you path...it won't be long now :roll1:

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Your responses are verging on the robotic. There is no evidence of thinking. Just the repetition of slogans. It's like talking with a press secretary in a slick PR dept or psy-operation who has a brief to sell come what may. It is the surest sign of the dominance of "intellect" over the inner- Self.

I have experienced the "taste, smell and feel" of IT. That's why i can see straight through James and the stingmakers.

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Nice muddying of the waters attempt!

And nicely humorous to say that Wingmakers is "considered a fraud" [by whom exactly] and then back it up by a genuine well-known fraud, IE the 'famous' Protocols.

Then again, at least you spelt [uk spelling] disappointment correctly!


Now we just have to activate the Soul Integral from the cave within the cave within the cave within the cave within the cave within the etc etc

I've started my breathing exercises already.

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[/QUOTE]It will take time for me to go to all the weak/paradoxial/illogical spots in James's answers/essay. I have started with the one obvious, and to me, glaring, pronouncements on the history of the creation of, and the lack of value of, the human body and thus, our DNA. I have good links to back this up, but I hesitate to bring them in. I want to see how this develops.

Athough James mentions the ELOHIM, he does not breathe a word about them being Ultraterrestrials, high beings of non-locality. To suggest that they reside in our oceans with the Atlanteans that never left, is nothing but preposterous.

To state that all channeling is psy-ops is also illogical. If there are high beings of non-locality, and there most certainly are, they can, and do, communicate with us on a telephatic, for lack of a better word, level. So can other beings, including humans. To use discernment is a necessity, as with any type of communication. But if James is in league with NWO ideologists and policymakers, whose longexpected design is to declare all channeling illegal, they will have to grant someone the privilege of deciding what is 'allowable communication', no doubt allocated to a 'Truth Commission'. They might go all the hog and establish a centralized 'Information Corporation', a vision George H. Bush Sr talked about in the early 1990's. Anything emanating from such a construct will not be along the lines of a plurality of truth, quite the contrary, it will be based on the opinions of the few chosen and trusted to toe the official line of truth. In comparison 'Embedded Journalism' will pale as an example of the absence of independent research.

The value of James' interaction with us here on Avalon, is the opportunity for us to hone our ability to discern. Some have not developed that ability, and will be upset with any constructive feedback on his material, feeling it has to be accepted as a whole or rejected as a whole. These are never the only two options, there is always the 3rd corner, that of careful analysis.

I am VERY curious as to which corner Kerry is landing in regarding this material.

We are, in fact, not robotniks yet, regardless of what James is implying. Nice try.

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Endjay i still proved my point though when you said he isn't trying to sell anything. :smoke:

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you didn't prove anything...James is making these things available to you at cost...he isn't "selling" anything that you aren't asking for :naughty:

If you can not appreciate the fact that it cost money to maintain and create these websites, that you are using for free, then that is your problem.

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Thank you for the clarification ENdJOY. I take that JAMES isn't "selling" anything that is free either.

-feeler

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wow are you that blind? "he isn't selling anything" yet again you FAIL.

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Josefine, I appreciate you perspectives on the interview with James...I think it was fair...I do believe, however that you may have misunderstood what James said about RVing...he didn't say:


what he did say was, that you never know (for sure) who you are channeling, and that the RVers were getting a very grainy picture, that came from a "timeless" dimension, therefore what they see was very much an "interpertation" of a vision...within the confines of the prison...his exact word are these:

as to your suspicions about him working for the NWO...I think that is really a stretch of the imagination, and a bit unfair, when everything else he says points to freeing one's self from the prison...created by these control freaks. Also I think Kelly made her interests known in the "introduction" of the Interview.

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I also find your responses "robotic" as if following an agenda to discredit James, for no apparent reason...if not that, then it must be a "savior complex" you are expressing, trying to "save" anyone from experiencing the Sovereign Integral's perspective for themself...which would abruptly displace you from your throne in the Hierarchy of the New World Order. (trust no one)

as I said before, fault finders are a dime a dozen...and as the Kabbalists say, "the faults you find in other are your OWN" :tongue2:

what are you offering as an alternative to finding the answers within yourself, as the WM's materials suggest? ... besides all of us just taking YOUR word for it? :naughty:

If you had seriously developed a Sovereign Integral's perspective, you would be expressing you appreciation for the assistance James is offering to help humanity free themselves.

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Mental conceptualization is never going to free us from our human mind system.
We feed that system, it exists by the grace of our sensory equipment; hearing, seeing, smelling, feeling and thinking.
This " debate" in this thread is proving that with every word we type here.

Go inside, breath the breath of life and KNOW who you really are and stop this senseless ( grinn) debate of who is right and who is wrong.

And I personally dont give a .../....how you label that Knowing.

The secret is only known by those who know this secret and those who do not know , well, you can't tell them because they did not do the inner work it requires.They are Just lazy people who feel fine with who they are now and who want to stay withing their comfort zone of the human mind system. And that is fine as well as I personally cannot do anything to get them off their lazy asses and do the work .......Breath................

How simple can it be???? Breath.......:wall::trumpet::sweatdrop:

:wub2:

http://www.suehutton.co.uk/sooznooz/...-opt_copy1.jpg

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Unless the idea is to make us all 'born-again Jamesonians' all the posts that are reactions to the interview with James are of great value. The debate proves that we are awake and kicking.
James graced us with words, mental conceptualizations, and whenever that happens, it requires a discerning response, with words. He refreshed the slate, and we may get rid of some staleness around the GSSC.

To say that 'the secret is only known by those who know the secret' :mfr_lol:
is almost funny, but circular reasoning is never really constructive.

The fact is that we ALL know the secret because the secret is a Truth living within. We just have to remember.

'Lazy asses' - we would have been if we had just said 'Halleluja'!

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All my investigation about the Wingmakers point that this "revelation"


Pro New world order (read the second interview),


Jehoshua'ha Mechaich disminisher (luciferian doctrine)

and


New age (teosophy, who, in fact are luciferian to) are


a Fraud to


Make the people end accepting the New World Order New Religion.

That's because the people are so desesperately alone spiritualy in this so material world that they end


Believing Anything who smells well without the proper research.



Cheers.... ?

Re: JAMES WingMakers- WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT !
 

Kerry's interview with James has certainly caused some controversy.

I have been reading responses from other websites.

This is one I find perplexing.

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/20...ful-deception/

Peggy Kane who runs the website concludes by saying that,

"I wish Project Camelot would do some RS before promoting James, Wingmakers and reptilian agendas disguised as Spiritual teachings. I wish everyone would listen to reverse speaking!"

Has anyone researched the authenticity of Peggy Kane's work and the technique known as reverse speech?

Re: JAMES WingMakers- WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT !
 

I don't know if anyone can say for sure whether reverse speech analysis reveals truth.

But all you need do to see through the WMM is read it forwards. It's targets and it's crooked motives are evident from a good ol' fashioned - forwards - intuitive read.