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Well religions are well-established because they've been around for so long and had the time to grow and expand and keep in their state of power and control over their masses.

But, you do mention some cults, however what about Scientology? That is a rather new Religion, also pretty big, and it glorifies wealth I'd say too =)

That's a good example on what one man can achieve if he wants - funny thing is Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer but also associated with "real" magicians and religious people such as Aleister Crowley, and NASA scientist & fellow Occultist Jack Parson, founder of Jet Propulsions Lab (JPL) among others.

Though that's a huge topic on its own though.

In either case, I agree with your about an interactio between people and Larger Principles as you word it.

Blessings.
-EA

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Hi all
Interesting thread; perhaps a tad controversial, so I shan't get in too deep, because the bottom line is if you're looking for fallacies, discrepancies, etc. you will most certainly find it. But if you're looking for confirmation, inspiration, or divine guidance you'll probably find that too.:original:

In my opinion one of the biggest fallacies in the bible is the idea that Jehovah (or JHWH) was the "one, true God" as he claimed to be. Think about it; he was jealous, vengeful, threw temper tantrums like a 2 yr old, etc. In the Ra Material, he is even portrayed as a negative "Service-to Self" entity, who mixed in just enough truth to be believable. I tend to agree, because I've studied the Ra Material for yrs and find it to be among the purest information available.

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The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing


Yes, I have to agree, that is what this thread is all about.
While many read "others" writings about the bible, why?

Do not any of you trust yourselves to read it for yourselves?

The bible is a book all about love and sacrifice.

It contains the instructions for an Intergalactic Governance.

If you can't read it for some reason, get someone to read it to you. :original:

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Does Gaia believe in God?
Mother Earth (Gaia) through Pepper Lewis

I just have one small question. Do you believe in God?

Your question is short, but it is not small.
It is an interesting question, and of obvious importance to you.
Uncertain times carry uncertainty into almost every area of life,
creeping into the deeper recesses of one's thoughts and challenging even those things and thoughts that have been accepted at face value for eons of time

But may I engage you peacefully and politely by suggesting that your question is a challenge designed to confront the science that enables channeling, the channel who is now veiled behind these words,
and your own doubts and beliefs about the subject? No matter!

It is simply best to state the known in one's search for the unknown.

With this is mind, let's begin with what is known about God versus what is believed.

Interesting telling points distinguish philosophers, scientists, followers of religious faith, and other lay people.

One of these is the use of the terms belief and knowledge, because while some people make a distinction between what they know and what they believe, others do not.

It is human nature to accept a belief as a known fact, particularly when exploring a subject or statement that is considered accurate, true, or justified.

A belief in God, or a higher power/authority is a perfect example of a concept appropriately named justified true belief, which describes a traditional relationship in which a belief is also considered knowledge if the belief is true, and if the believer has a justification (a necessarily plausible assertion that may or may not include evidence).

False beliefs, even if true and sincere, would not be justified under this concept, because they are not necessary and plausible to a large enough percentage of the population.

Beliefs are assumptions that humanity makes about itself, about others, and about how it expects things are or will one day be. Beliefs are also definitive ideas about how individuals and groups think things really are. When a large group or segment of the population thinks similarly, it often believes similarly as well. A

justified belief sees other beliefs as less than just. Most beliefs presume a subject and an object of belief, which requires a subjective and objective God, an internal and external relationship with God.

Beliefs are further divided into core beliefs, those that you might actively consider, dispositional beliefs, those that you simply choose to believe or disbelieve, and occurent beliefs, those that you are currently considering based upon stored knowledge or unconcluded wisdom. Based upon the foregoing, do you know what part of your being believes in God? It may be more likely that a part of your being knows God, so let's explore further.

Just as with beliefs there are many different forms of knowledge, each one important in its own way. Scientific knowledge, for instance, is a method of inquiry that focuses upon gathering empirical, observable and measurable evidence. It is subject to specific principles of reasoning, the collection of data, experimentation, and formulation and testing of hypotheses. Partial knowledge acknowledges that in most realistic cases it is not possible to have an extensive or exhaustive understanding of a subject, and that most real problems can be solved by combining a partial understanding with the proper context and other data.

Situational knowledge as the name implies, applies to a specific situations and is often embedded in language, culture and tradition. Other forms of knowledge include trial and error, learning from direct experience, secondhand knowledge, and discovery.

Do you know how you know what you know, or do you believe deeply in what you believe that you know about God?

Knowledge about God and belief in God are supported by faith. Faith is the confidence and trust that one places upon truth; it is the trustworthiness of a person, thing or idea. Faith has a special advantage in that it involves a concept of past events and future outcomes.

Faith does not require logical proof or material evidence. Informally, faith and trust are similar, but in this regard faith would more appropriately connote a context of religion or spirituality, where a transcendent reality in a Supreme Being is implied. Faith is the point of view of the mind that a certain statement or belief is true.

The mind accedes (accepts) belief based upon declarations by accepted forms of authority including people, books, doctrine and scripture. Faith encourages the acquisition of knowledge and growth.

Those who believe and also know God have faith in their beliefs.

Although you may not agree that faith is within your field of concern, I would tell you otherwise. Faith, like its counterpart hope, rises and falls during seasons of discontent. Faith is also affected by economic conditions, changes in lifestyle and living situation, sickness, and especially when others in one's family or community experience a change of heart in regard to their spiritual beliefs. When faith and hope waver the individual and the collective mind of humanity suffers a kind of stroke, paralyzing some thoughts and exaggerating others.

A spiritual stroke is like a great divide between mountain ranges - there is no clear path between here and there. One must pick one's way in roundabout ways and up and over rocky crags.

I will tell you what I know and believe about God, but only some of it will meet with your approval, because your mind and your heart currently wander the great divide between what you believe, what you know, what you hope, and the direction that members in your immediate family are beginning to take.

The God you reference in your question is a deity. A deity is a supernatural immortal being who is holy, divine, sacred and worthy of great respect. God is the sole deity in insofar as many world religions are concerned and the principal deity in many belief systems. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent. He is eternal and necessary to human existence.

The modern concept of God is one in which He is personal and active in the organization and governance of the universe and the world you live in. God is invisible, but is thought to dwell in holy places such as Heaven, supernatural planes and celestial spheres. God is made manifest to humanity through the effects of His omnipresence.

Although immortal, God is assumed to have a personality that is perfect, pure and free of defect. I know this God because it is one of the versions of God that humanity prefers and has a close bond with.

Another version of God assumes immortality, consciousness, intellect, desire and emotion. Natural phenomena in the form of floods, lighting and earthquakes are attributable to God as are miracles and other wonderful acts. God is the controlling authority in the various aspects of human life and afterlife. He is the director of fate, the giver of law and the moderator of moral obligation. The ultimate judge of human worth, he is also the creator of earth and heaven. I know this God too, because humanity studies Him, lives and is guided by His hand.

I know another God too. He is divine and infinite simplicity, perfection and goodness. This God is whole and without parts. He and his attributes are one. He is the God of truth and goodness, which is also identical to his being. This Simple Being is indivisible rather than composite - his characteristics are not made up of thing upon thing. His properties are also His being, which is not true of any created being. He is complete in all ways and He is the cause of all that exists. He is the greatest in all things and the least of all too, and this without exception. This God is also mine -- because He is your God, he is also mine.

Aside from the God of religion, I know the god of philosophy. His essence is inexpressible. He is concerned with ideas that are incomprehensible to most. These cannot be expressed in general terms or in common language for they would render that which is ineffable mundane. This abstract god is complex and his nature is paradoxical. He is symbolic gesture, illogical statement, principle and reason, and intrinsically impossible to understand. I have attended the schools of thought that uphold this version of god and bear witness to the existence of an existential god. This version of God is as real as the other versions.

My favorite version is not as popular as the others because it exists beyond humanity's capacity to conceive. This inconceivable Beingness is the light that gives meaning to the darkness of being. This Being and Nothingness are closely related. Nothingness and All That Is are one in this Beingness. All That Is cannot be comprehended by human senses - not today, tomorrow or yesterday. It is unknowable, indefinable, eternal, invisible and formless. It is Living Mind. No language can describe or define the All. It's being is so still as to be indistinguishable from non-being. I do not know this God/Being/All That Is, and to believe in that which exists without need of existence is folly. I do not believe in this Being either for its existence does not require my belief or that of any other being. To do so would limit my relationship with It, an injustice to say the least. This All is a substantial part of the reality that underlies all appearances and manifestations that are called Life, including matter and non-matter, energy and non-energy, thought and no-thought. And there is that which exists beyond this.

As your life continues to unfold your beliefs will change, shaped by the thoughts and experiences that you draw to you. Your individual existence that currently believes you are a human being also believes that it must fight for itself in this world. This part of you has a sense of "doership" that must establish a purpose for its existence, but it is ultimately unaware and unconscious of its own true nature. Human nature and the mind that occupies its time compulsively thinks, and then thinks about what it is thinking. It does so in order to assure its own future existence, because it does not know that the present moment and the eternal self are one and the same. The human self does not know that it is made of nothingness and believes in error that it is made of something. This is because the human mind dwells within the Living Mind and is subject to the laws of created things. As one of your mystics once said, you are the eternal principle and the temporal process; you are the impressure of nothingness into something.

Do not think for a moment that Gaia hopes to challenge or change your life stance on God, religion or the nature of your being. Your worldview, values and viewpoints are preserved by your own will and by approval of All That Is. Your way of life is well guided and moved by the same forces of nature that pilot these words. Know that I am one with your thoughts and with your beliefs too. They are no strangers to me and I find no provocation in your attitudes and convictions. Let quarrel be with those who object for all is at rest here. The same principles and ideas that created the earth also created the moment we now share, and ideas beyond ours will inspire the future we will both share. New concepts will present fodder to philosophers, thinkers, logicians, academicians, theorists, truth-seekers and dreamers. And the One that was in first place before a place was made will yet Be.

Mother Earth (Gaia) through Pepper Lewis

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Well done Edward…. I agree totally with you… There are in fact 18 different personages in the old testament that were all translated as the ‘LORD’, the Elohim is indeed a plural word and female plural…
Look sure the message is genuine…. Live honestly, don’t hurt other people, love one another…. Love a greater creator force defined as God…Etc… but that’s all New Testament (which I’ll get to in a minute)… The Old Testament is a shorter version of the Torah which is all about fear and controle in many ways… I know the people were a bit warlike and hard to controle back then, times were tough, fertile farming land and food was scarce so people were very tough…. The ruling forces had to be very harsh to stop a free for all… But the old testament apart from being quite savage in “The Lords” neurotic insecurities and dealing out punishment, smiting and death to any one who said boo to him, is quite beautiful and also quite ridiculous in parts….I mean Leviticus??? People with big noses and blemishes of any kind were displeasing to the LORD, there fore could not worship or enter in to a Temple??? Never mind a cripple or a hunchback???

If you wore a cloth woven of two different cloths from two different weaves y
you merit stoning or smiting as you did if you touched the skin of a pig (There goes footballers!)
Women were literally there to be beaten, raped and used as slaves as was all slavery ok!
But this aside….
The Torah is a further translation of the Sumerian Tablets of Enki (The Snake in the Garden of Eden) and much of the LORD is Anu or Enlil…. You can read the direct translations of the Seven Tablets of Creation on You tube or in Zachariah Sitchen’s book of the same name…




There are 2000 of these Tablets on Museums all round the world they are 10, 000 years older then the Torah and have all the bible stories from The garden of Eden (Eden being a Sumerian word meaning The House of Life, to Adam (A Sumerian word meaning (The Earth Man)… there’s the creation, the expelling from Eden, the founding of The Earth race … then every one up to Noah and the great flood , complete with Ark and all the DNA life forms being rescued on the arch… “The actual “Flood Tablet “ is on display in the British History Museum .Sitchen’s translations have been corroborated now by many other Linguistic scholars and scientist… as word for word correct…
His theories about them all on personal conclusions have been scrutinised by some.
The jist of the original Sumerian Bible.. ( Most of you know this stuff.. it's here for the Bible word of God believers)It starts on Earth aftr a nuclear war then goes back to tell the tale of how on the 10th planet Nibiru, after wars and much jousting for king ship they tear their atmosphere or weaken it and need to repair it, by suspending gold particles that ward off radiation etc… Gold is paramount…



They end up in a long way arriving on planet Earth looking for Gold… The small search party consists of Enki and Enlil and there sister Nanharsag amongst others who are the children of Anu (God) the king back on Nibiru…with a work force of Lulu’s… another worker spices probably Greys, the mine gold successfully in North Africa… Their main station is in Iraq…
There’s decent in the mines and the Lulu revolt… left with no work force Enki Enlil and co have to come up with something quick so Enki who is the chief geneticist (His symbol was the two entwining serpents (DNA that is still used in Medicine today).. Enki has set up shop in the EDEN.. and has been studying the lie forms on the planet… he has been watching a sort of Neanderthal /ape like humanoid which in his own words “We Annunaki, must have evolved from a species like this way back on Nibiru millions of years ago!” he says he can mix his own DNA with the ape and create a new race (Homo Sapian) as a work force for the mines!.. Enlil (Yahweh) is against this and says that to interfere with the evolution of a species is against the laws of the universe and the Great Universal father (Big God)... in the end they all decide that their own race will perish with out this experiment and they go ahead and create Adam and Eve….”In their own Image”












Later Enki gets remorseful about creating a creature as a slave and sneakily up grades the chromosomes to realise free thinking intelligence. The snake with the apple from the tree of knowledge…






Later Enlil is walking in Eden and comes upon Adam and Eve clothed and asks them why they are clothed etc… you know the rest of the story…







Later the two brothers go to war and there is a nuclear war over the Dead sea were they release literal translations “Weapons of Terrer” In fact the Tablets start at the end with Total devastation of this part of the world with everything annihilated by the evil weapons and the evil wind they created “Not man in his house nor Gods in their temples were safe from the evil wind!” They have now proved with infer red and stone fused in to glass round the Deadd sea (Called the DEAD sea for this reason think Sodom and Gomorah) there was a nuclear blast around this date precisely…. Any way please goes read this stuff and research what scholars, archaeologists and scientist who research the Sumerian Tablets say….







There is no dispute the Torah came from this... and no dispute the old testiment came from the Torah...
Whether any of it true??? WHo knows but the original bible was about ET's comming to this planet to mine gold and then by a chain of events beyond their control creating this brach of humantiy....
Then the humans overrunning and the ET's trying to controle them and take responsabilty for what they had created.... ending in much sqabiling amongst the ET's and finally all out war.... The ET's trying to create some code of honer nad laws of how to live amongst the Earthy's and One brother Enki who upgraded the Earthy's IQ and fell in love with his own creation and tried to free the Earthy's from slavery to the ET's ... He was later vilafied as the Devil by his brother ENlil Yaweh, who was in charge and then it's Enki who hides behind a reed hut and tells Noah how to build the Arck when Enlil decides the earthy's have lost the run of them selves and were a terrible mistake and wants tto let them all drwown in the oending greta flood that thier own approaching planet Nibiru was going to cause....
These ET's are very aware of a universal creator who is not them...who is Big God... but they are the little Gods of Earth...

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The New Testiment is made up of different Gospels that were collected at the Council of Nicea... There were around 80 gospels circulating....
The Dead Sea Scrolls gives a more complet version ... with the Gospels of Thomas and Mary Magdalin and Judas being authenticated as older then many that were later incorperated in to the New Testement compilation.

The Bishops and Pope Gregory at the Council on Nicia spets ages debating what went in and what was left out, cut out or changed.....

So nothing is authentic or unchanged or editid or safe from translation error ....

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Bravo for you Edward for daring to be different

I believe you are absolutely correct in your observation.

We humans are so dumbed down and out of the loop that there are still many that still walk around with their heads in a cloud

Anyone that knows what religion is all about and how long this has been going on would be very naive to believe that the Bible was true Sure some same that only part of it is re-written.............well which part, I ask ?

Not only has it been re-written but the parts they left in are only half rights. Most of the important words left out.

Its truly sad but in the same breath I have to say brilliant the way they have covered up the truth.

They have had their fun for billion of years and I think its our time to prevail and put things right again. They brought all of their misfortunes unto themselfs and although I can't hate them, I feel that I do understand.

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Hi Antonia!

Your descriptions in this thread are an interpretation of archetypes and an interpreation which is more ancient than the collective editorship of the scribes of the Torah.
The Mesopotamian mythologies of Enki and Elil became mingled with the 'Sons of God' and the Elohim in Genesis and the Gilgamesh.
So then the Torah became a 'retelling' of the 'cosmic war' between 'brothers'.
Edward's thread is highly appropriate and the comments of whitecrow are truly excellent.

And again, Edward and whitecrow and you have discerned the great difference between the Torah 'God' of vengenance, control and jealousy and the 'God' of the 'true' Jesus.
There is a 'fake' Jesus and this 'false one' is the one 'worshipped' in the dogmatic denominations of Christianity.

There is a 'master handbook' of the 'true ' Jesus and that is the Gospel of Thomas or GoT.
A related Nag Hammadi document, written in convoluted encodings, but retelling again the 'Story of the False God Jehovah as Yaldabaoth' is the 'Secret Book of John'.

An understanding of the GoT will allow anyone who reads this 'book' to appreciate the 'bible' and similar ancient scrolls as the 'story telling of archetypes' and NOT as a historically accurate work of literacy.

The 'Word of God' then becomes the Logos (John.1.1) and as expressed MOST potentently in the GoT.

Peace of Mind be with you all.

Abraxas

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The following is a condensed version of a previous post. I have since speculated regarding Lucifer as being a Human or Hybrid Goddess of This World opposed to Ra...and Satan as being a Reptilian God of This World loyal to Ra. The point being that there may be two major 'God' sources which cross pollinated the religions and governments of the world. So a lot of it may be BS and Mythology...with some very real 'special yet imperfect' beings behind it all. The Gods and Goddesses may be a lot like us...but not just like us. Powerful...but not All Powerful. This is a complex and disorienting subject. Be careful.

I grew up worshipping and praising 'God'. I don't do this anymore. I have painfully come to the conclusion that the very concept of 'God' is highly problematic. I believe in spiritual things. I believe in the existence of both good and evil. I believe in the highest ethical behavior. I believe in life after life after life. But We the People of Earth should not bow down and worship, praise, and unquestioningly obey anyone...male, female, human, reptilian, grey, it, etc, etc. We the People of Earth should rule ourselves. I think that Jesus tried to tell us this...in a bit of a round about way. The religious people have gotten it wrong...and the atheists have gotten it wrong. I guess I want a secular spirituality which does not involve formal, arbitrary, and ritual religion.

We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races.

Organized religion is the isness turned into the business of a Luciferian (or Satanic) monopoly on monotheism. How's that for a heretical mouthful? I'm so gonna burn!

A Reading From the Twenty First Chapter of Leviticus:

1.And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto the priests the sons of Aaron, and say unto them, There shall none be defiled for the dead among his people:
2.But for his kin, that is near unto him, that is, for his mother, and for his father, and for his son, and for his daughter, and for his brother,
3.And for his sister a virgin, that is nigh unto him, which hath had no husband; for her may he be defiled .
4.But he shall not defile himself, being a chief man among his people, to profane himself.
5.They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.
6.They shall be holy unto their God, and not profane the name of their God: for the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and the bread of their God, they do offer : therefore they shall be holy.
7.They shall not take a wife that is a whore , or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.
8.Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, am holy.
9.And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore , she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
10.And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured , and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes;
11.Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
12.Neither shall he go out of the sanctuary, nor profane the sanctuary of his God; for the crown of the anointing oil of his God is upon him: I am the LORD.
13.And he shall take a wife in her virginity.
14.A widow, or a divorced woman , or profane, or an harlot , these shall he not take : but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.
15.Neither shall he profane his seed among his people: for I the LORD do sanctify him.
16.And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying ,
17.Speak unto Aaron, saying , Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18.For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach : a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose , or any thing superfluous ,
19.Or a man that is brokenfooted , or brokenhanded ,
20.Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
21.No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
22.He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
23.Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.
24.And Moses told it unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel.

The Word of the Lord? Thanks Be to God? :nono:

The problem with my posts is the disruption and disorientation factor. Hopefully this is minimal here in this philosophical no-man's land of Avalon. But exercise extreme caution in the area of theology. It is a Pandora's Box. People sometimes divorce...go insane...commit suicide...etc...when they lose their faith. A pastor once told me not to get too deep into theology. I belonged to a church which prided itself on the fact that people studied their way into the truth of this faith. But later...many of their children went to college...and found out that all was not well with the faith...and studied their way out of the church. And all too often...no one other than their parents...seemed to give a rat's patootie. All too many of us received a swift kick on our way out the door.

The God of This World is Not the God of This Universe. I suspect a malevolent collection of aliens playing God...with a kingpin named Lucifer (or Satan). Jesus tried to set us free. The Teachings of Jesus can help us to tap into the divinity which is in each of us. This is not an arrogant assertion. But it may be Us vs Them...and we need to understand this if we are going to stand up to Them...and Set Ourselves Free. I try to follow the words of Christ...but I am not waiting for him to come and save us. Beware of a staged UFO invasion and a staged Second Coming of Christ. God save us from our saviors...and we have nothing to fear but the fearmongers.

"God's work on Earth must truly be our own." (JFK)

Achieving a critical mass of Christ-like beings(human and non-human) on Earth is the key to liberation. This will precipitate a global exorcism. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-demon. I speak in speculative generalities because the people in the know...don't seem to want us to know. They keep us guessing.

If malevolent aliens are jerking our chain...we may need the help of benevolent aliens to accomplish a global exorcism. If malevolent aliens are holed up in heavily fortified Deep Underground Military Bases throughout the solar system...with reinforcements on the way...we may be in more trouble than we can possibly imagine. We probably need insiders...human and non-human...to be decidedly on the side of Responsible Freedom. I like the idea of interacting with benevolent aliens. I wouldn't even have a problem with some of them living on Earth...but they could never be our rulers or gods...and truly benevolent aliens would never play the part.

God is a Composite. If God is an it...is Satan an it too? If there is a Divine Feminine...is there a Demonic Feminine too?

I offer the following as a suggestion rather than as a dogmatic assertion. It is my idealistic view of what theology should be(if we need theology at all). I do have a darker view of theology...which is partially explored in this thread. These thoughts seem to make sense to me, but they are not orthodox or widely believed. They could be considered to be heresy. So burn me!

The Trinity is avoided by a lot of clergy. It's a lot easier to speak of loving neighbor as self, than it is to speak of one God, in three persons. And we haven't seen any of them. That we know of, at least! Is God the Father the one who sends fire down from heaven, makes rules, orders people to kill other people, is overbearing and authoritarian? Or is God the Father the same as God the Son, Jesus Christ? Jesus said, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." So is it the first or second option? All of the above or none of the above?

Allow me to gingerly suggest that God the Father can be equated with what I refer to as God the Concept: The most ideal, yet realistic conceptualization of God, which changes constantly as times, knowledge, needs and perceptions change. God the Concept can be male, female, or a composite of the two. A combination of reality and fiction! There is enough reality for believers to believe, and enough fiction for doubters to doubt. I believe that God exists, but that it is still necessary to invent Him, or Her, at least partially! And believe it or not, I say this with the utmost reverence and respect. I believe that God wishes for us to be open-minded and honest. If we are wrong, God can work with us on that. That is forgivable! If we are narrow, closed-minded, arrogant, and dishonest...well that comes very close to sinning against the Holy Spirit. God can't do a lot to help us at that point! God the Father, as pictured in the Old Testament, was the conceptualization of God necessary to accomplish the foundational development of religion, with the door left wide open for future representations of God, and the advanced development of religion.

Is Jesus Christ the only Son of God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father? Has God appeared in human flesh only once in all of history, and for only 33 years, and of that, with only 3 years of high-profile visibility? Allow me to gingerly suggest that God the Son can be equated with what I call God the Human: The most God-like human, male or female, alive at any moment throughout human history, and inclusively, but not exclusively, Jesus Christ! For practical purposes, to avoid confusion, and because they are true and ageless, the Teachings of Jesus are the absolute foundation of the Christian Church. They build on the moral teachings of the Old Testament without including the ceremonial and ritual teachings!

In the fullness of time, prophetically, Jesus Christ emerged as the most God-like person on the face of Planet Earth. Indeed, he was, and is God. No other human can make that claim! But Jesus said, "greater things will you do!" How could the followers of Almighty God do greater things than God Himself? Jesus set the standard, and drew a line in the sand regarding character and behavior. But when Jesus came to Earth, He was on a mission-trip, not an ego-trip! Would you really respect someone who expected to be worshiped and praised? I do respect someone who walked the walk, talked the talk, and simply asked to be loved and taken seriously. In mind, character, and personality, others throughout subsequent history undoubtedly equaled the spirituality and morality of Jesus Christ. But it has not been their role to be the benchmark of humanity, the gold standard of righteousness!

In one sense, others have been God the Human, but not in the same sense as Jesus Christ. They have more precisely been God's Ambassadors to Planet Earth. These highly righteous people did not become the new foundation. These people must keep referring back to the life and teachings of Christ. That is the standard! It is their role to live the life of Christ, and to apply the teachings of Christ to their time. As Christians, we are followers of Jesus Christ. He is the foundation of the magnificent structure being constructed on Earth, called the Kingdom of God!

Is the Holy Spirit really real, and really God? Is the Holy Spirit the most real, most presently present, and most agelessly God? Allow me to gingerly suggest that the Holy Spirit is the most God-like spirit being at any moment throughout spirit history. Not a single entity! Kindred spirit beings represent the mind, character, and personality of this primary spirit being to human beings here on Earth! Corporately, these spirit beings constitute the Holy Spirit. Omnipresent! They represent to us the living Christ, based upon the historical Jesus, and especially the teachings of Jesus. But the adaptation is contemporary!

The inverse of all that I have said above would constitute a Satanic Trinity! I believe in this reality as well. This is a very, very dangerous reality! This is why I plead with you to pray to God (to the Divinity Within Humanity) earnestly in the name of Jesus Christ, and with the power of the Holy Spirit! Pray! Don't delve, or play spiritual games! If you experiment rather than pray, you will undoubtedly end up playing with the Devil and the Demons! I am saying this to scare the Hell out of you! Have I succeeded, or do you feel lucky? Satan would love to have you go ahead and make his day...

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Re: The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing
 

Re: The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing
 

Hi Abrax.... That all makes so much sense... I read somthing very like that on a web site I'm going to go off and look for that now but mean while... for the people who still want to cling to the Bible as THE WORD THE TRUTH...

Even as a child in Bible class (I was brought up in Bible thumping Catholic Ireland) I just couldn't get in to the limmited concept that the creative mind of the Cosmos... The All that is would appear as a cross man to the Isrealits... and start having hissy fits and mood swings when he didn't get his way..... also that he would deal out death and rape and pain and guilt and punishment in such a small minded very human way???
I got in to a lot of trouble with the nuns but my dad was a bhuddist / Christian lightworker with the Great white brotherhood (The White Eagle Lodge) so I had some secret coaching back home during religios homework!!!

While I go look for this web site to show to Abrax... this is from a post I posted some time ago here on Avalon discussing such issues but I'll repost it..



crazy psychopathic god. (Sure ain't my vision of a true God) and his awful rules..... bible examples

Ritual Human Sacrifice

"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."

"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith - twenty towns - and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter - his only child - ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." Judges 11:29-40


Rules of genicide...
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Gods blood lust…Baby Killing,,,
"The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

God kills the Good Samaritan

"The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals."
"When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God." (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

Baby Bashing

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9 NAB


Child Beating

"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him takes care to chastise him" (Proverbs 13:24 NAB)

"Chastise your son, for in this there is hope, but do not desire his death. The man of violent temper pays the penalty; even if you rescue him, you will have to do it again." (Proverbs 19:18-19 NAB)

God tells his people to Kill Followers of Other Religions

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

God demands Murder, Rape, and Pillage at Jabesh-gilead

"So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan."

"The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

"Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes." (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)


David's Punishment More rape, murder and baby killing demanded by God

"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives (plural) while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'"
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." (The child dies seven days later.) 2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB

Slave Beating

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." Exodus 21:20-21 NAB

Sampson and the Spirit of the Lord

"The spirit of the Lord came upon him (Sampson), and he went down to Ashkelon, where he killed thirty of their men and despoiled them; he gave their garments to those who had answered his riddle." (Sampson used the garments to pay off a bet he lost.) Judges 14:19 NAB

Bloody Sabbath God demands death of man for gathering wood.

"While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, "This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp." So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded Moses." Numbers 15:32-36 NAB

Murder, Rape, Pillage, and Plunder

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. But these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby. "As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you. This will keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply against the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 20:10-18 NLT

Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites

"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho."

"Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Numbers 31:7-18 NLT



Burning of temple at Baal (There's nothing like a good church barbeque.)

"Then Jehu called a meeting of all the people of the city and said to them, "Ahab hardly worshiped Baal at all compared to the way I will worship him! Summon all the prophets and worshipers of Baal, and call together all his priests. See to it that every one of them comes, for I am going to offer a great sacrifice to Baal. Any of Baal's worshipers who fail to come will be put to death." But Jehu's plan was to destroy all the worshipers of Baal. Then Jehu ordered, "Prepare a solemn assembly to worship Baal!" So they did. He sent messengers throughout all Israel summoning those who worshiped Baal. They all came and filled the temple of Baal from one end to the other. And Jehu instructed the keeper of the wardrobe, "Be sure that every worshiper of Baal wears one of these robes." So robes were given to them"

"Then Jehu went into the temple of Baal with Jehonadab son of Recab. Jehu said to the worshipers of Baal, "Make sure that only those who worship Baal are here. Don't let anyone in who worships the LORD!" So they were all inside the temple to offer sacrifices and burnt offerings. Now Jehu had surrounded the building with eighty of his men and had warned them, "If you let anyone escape, you will pay for it with your own life."

"As soon as Jehu had finished sacrificing the burnt offering, he commanded his guards and officers, "Go in and kill all of them. Don't let a single one escape!" So they killed them all with their swords, and the guards and officers dragged their bodies outside. Then Jehu's men went into the fortress of the temple of Baal. They dragged out the sacred pillar used in the worship of Baal and destroyed it. They broke down the sacred pillar of Baal and wrecked the temple of Baal, converting it into a public toilet. That is what it is used for to this day." 2 Kings 10:18-27 NLT


Saul’s Kindness???

Saul sent this message to the Kenites: "Move away from where the Amalekites live or else you will die with them. For you were kind to the people of Israel when they came up from Egypt." So the Kenites packed up and left. Then Saul slaughtered the Amalekites from Havilah all the way to Shur, east of Egypt. (1 Samuel 15:6-7 NLT)



Genocide

During this period, Joshua destroyed all the descendants of Anak, who lived in the hill country of Hebron, Debir, Anab, and the entire hill country of Judah and Israel. He killed them all and completely destroyed their towns. Not one was left in all the land of Israel, though some still remained in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod. So Joshua took control of the entire land, just as the LORD had instructed Moses. He gave it to the people of Israel as their special possession, dividing the land among the tribes. So the land finally had rest from war. (Joshua 11:21-23 NLT)



God hardens hearts and makes people fight the Isralites only to be slaughterd..

So Joshua conquered the entire region – the hill country, the Negev, the land of Goshen, the western foothills, the Jordan Valley, and the mountains and lowlands of Israel. The Israelite territory now extended all the way from Mount Halak, which leads up to Seir, to Baal-gad at the foot of Mount Hermon in the valley of Lebanon. Joshua killed all the kings of those territories, waging war for a long time to accomplish this. No one in this region made peace with the Israelites except the Hivites of Gibeon. All the others were defeated. For the LORD hardened their hearts and caused them to fight the Israelites instead of asking for peace. So they were completely and mercilessly destroyed, as the LORD had commanded Moses. (Joshua 11:16-20 NLT)




Whole Towns Murdered at the bequest of God

The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that the Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked the Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of Israel made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request and gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely destroyed them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since. (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)




God’s psychotic Wrath

Weep and moan, you evil shepherds! Roll in the dust, you leaders of the flock! The time of your slaughter has arrived; you will fall and shatter like fragile pottery. You will find no place to hide; there will be no way to escape. Listen to the frantic cries of the shepherds, to the leaders of the flock shouting in despair, for the LORD is spoiling their pastures. Peaceful meadows will be turned into a wasteland by the LORD's fierce anger. He has left his den like a lion seeking its prey, and their land will be made desolate by the sword of the enemy and the LORD's fierce anger. (Jeremiah 25:34-38 NLT)




God Slaughter’s countless people///

In that day those the LORD has slaughtered will fill the earth from one end to the other. No one will mourn for them or gather up their bodies to bury them. They will be scattered like dung on the ground. (Jeremiah 25:33 NLT)



The Cup of Anger God insights hate and anger

Then the LORD, the God of Israel, said to me, "Take from my hand this cup filled to the brim with my anger, and make all the nations to whom I send you drink from it. When they drink from it, they will stagger, crazed by the warfare I will send against them." (Jeremiah 25:15-16 NLT)



Complete Destruction

And now the LORD Almighty says: Because you have not listened to me, I will gather together all the armies of the north under King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, whom I have appointed as my deputy. I will bring them all against this land and its people and against the other nations near you. I will completely destroy you and make you an object of horror and contempt and a ruin forever. I will take away your happy singing and laughter. The joyful voices of bridegrooms and brides will no longer be heard. Your businesses will fail, and all your homes will stand silent and dark. This entire land will become a desolate wasteland. (Jeremiah 25:8-11 NLT)

Re: The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing
 

Indeed Antonia!

In terms of 'Word of God'; the bible is the dichotomized version of a NOT Unified 'God' - One true (as the Abba of Jesus) and one false as the Jehovah of the OT.
Basically, you can 'omit' the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy from the Torah as the 'madness of Jehovah'.
Genesis is potent in archetypes; so are the two 'crazy ones' above' BUT the 'madness' is 'made whole' in reinterpreting the archetypes.
For examples the animal (and human) sacrifices become 'birthright associated' starsigns: 1.Aries=Reuben=Ram/Lamb sacrifices=Firstborn 'loses' its birthright as number 1 in 2.Taurus=Simeon=Bull/Calf sacrifices=Secondborn and more dramatically 10.Capricorn=Zebulon=Goat/kid sacrifices in the even female 10=1+0=1 as odd male archetype.

So some may now understand that 'Jehovah's insanity' is 'cured' in understanding that Leviticus and Deuteronomy DO NOT address blood and bone sacrifices but a REORDERING of lineage succession.

The 12 Sons plus the 13th Daughter Dinah of course NEVER EXISTED as personas, but as the Zodiacal archetypes with a female 'messiah' Dinah later reinterpreted as Mary Magdalene.

EVERYONE so becomes an ISRAELITE and the humanity becomes the 'Chosen Children of God', because everyone has a birthday.
Here are the definitions of Thuban:
1.Aries=Reuben
2.Taurus=Simeon
3.Gemini=Levi
4.Cancer=Dan(via 5 Phaez-Zarah breach partially translated by the British Israelites)
5.Leo=Judah(via 4)
6.Gad=Virgo(via 7 Bhilah-Zilpah breach)
7.Naphtali=Libra.
8. Asher=Scorpio
9.Issachar=Sagittarius
10.Capricorn=Zebulon
11.Aquarius=Joseph with Manasses=USA (partially realised in mormonism) and Ephraim=British Commonwealth.
12.Pisces=Benjamin.

Dinah forms a yin complement to the 12 brothers to form the 24 Elders, as well as the 144,000 then becoming 200 Million for the Great Transformation in the Harvest.

It will be the 'Jehovah'=Yaldabaoth=Dark Lucifer Energy which is part of everyone, which shall be 'harvested' NOT the Light, which is ok where it is.


There are no more gentiles. Everyone incarnate is a SonDaughter of the Source-Energy (Creator).
A very important addendum: the SWORDS of Jehovah become the WORDS of the Logos, the Master-Dragon of Thuban aka The Living Cosmic Christ (also in everyone and NOT some individual 'master').
So the 'physical' killing will become replaced by a 'destruction' of the false archetypes by Words.

Love to you Antonia

Abraxas

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Re: The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing
 

Remember the book 'Rich Dad. Poor Dad.'? Perhaps there should be a book titled 'Good God. Bad God.' I'm really not into lambasting the evils and lies of religion and the Bible. I'm really not into ridiculing religious people. However...we do have to be open and honest...if we wish to climb to higher ground...so to speak. We have a terrible mess here on Earth...but we could have a terrible mess throughout the Universe. This may take a long, long time to clean up. This may involve unbelievable sacrifices, hardships, and setbacks. I'm bracing for the worst...yet I keep venturing forth as though I thought everything could be straightened out by December 21, 2012! I suspect a very dark universal history...filled with treachery, violence, atrocities, mistakes, delusions, hatred, predjudice, insanity, corruption, etc, etc, etc. Our Earth history seems to have powerful hidden underlying currents of Human and Non-Human factions battling for supremacy...while millions and billions of innocents pay dearly!

Here is an afterthought. I love sacred music...especially sacred music performed in cathedrals or large churches! I love choirs and pipe-organs! Try watching and listening to all of the cathedral music you can find on You Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_MkamzQZwA&NR=1 This might open your eyes to a lot of things...both good and bad! Some of my greatest epiphanies occured when I was playing Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor over and over on a huge pipe-organ which towered 50 feet above where I sat! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDM7Z...eature=related I continue to long for a non-penetential, non-sacrificial, Ecumenical Namaste Mass, Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity, which is based upon the Latin Mass. Imagine this in the context of Saint Sulpice, Notre Dame de Paris, Westminster Abbey, etc, etc. At the same time...I long for most of the people of the world to really get into what we grapple with here in Avalon. This is hard work...and it shouldn't be done by just a few Humans and Non-Humans (Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial).

This Universe is very dark! Would someone please turn on the light? How much does it really cost to keep light on the Earth?

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Re: The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing
 

Re: The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing
 

You make a good point. God or ET's could get rid of all the bad guys and gals at the top of the pyramid...but if we the peons remained irresponsible...this intervention wouldn't do any good. In fact...it might make things worse.

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Re: The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing
 

Orthodoxy wrote: I believe in good and evil.

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That simple statement looks like a pol-parroted program to me, and although we follow what you are saying, anymore, those words put together just don't measure up to the actual message you may be trying to state, which I think is this : I witness good and bad, which says that you see the two exist.

I think it is "time" to change our vocabulary.
Fallen/evil/bad equates to ignorant, misguided, lost...
Did you not recognize the truth at one point? What was it that triggered your recognition?

Krysted/christ consciousness/good equates to having awakened or knowing where "God" resides... WITHIN.... yes, even within the sleeping christs.

I think we may even need to remove the title Christ as it still rings of divisive because it relates to a particular religion, things are so messed up.

That the Creator/God/Source of All is within, is a Knowing, not a belief.

Any mention of patriarchal pronouns is indication of Ignorance.
Any mention of race or gender preference is indication of Ignorance.

God hid itself in the unlikely place, right under your nose. Within.

It is all about Ignorance and Knowledge... ignorance is not stupid...

To even spend time "bashing" religions is just not part of being an awakened person.

Demonstrate otherwise.

These concepts to me, are so simple, I am too, at an impasse why most people do not see thru the "lies" of the religions that are divisive!!!

The battle is within! Can we agree on that?

My husband and I, rather jokingly, thought & pondered a new "religion".... called God Within

I remember, as a small child, around 5, in Sunday School... and how intimidated I was to have to repeat stories that did not merge with my innocence.... to be asked questions to riddles that intruded upon my senses, but was not old enough or did not have the vocabulary to respond adequately... I knew as a small child that the story was Scarey, something very troubling about it all....

Where ARE the leaders that can cause one to come into the recognition that all humans have the same lot in life... shelter, food, love, education, respect....

So many are just lost and without hope... they are prey for the churches that divide and conquer, that's how I see it.

I got carried away... I can't believe I'm even writing anything.

Read the title of the thread..... Might a new Thread be started that anchors in assistance of countering a focus of Lies, Deception & Brainwashing? Probably not because Stardustsquarian has already posted the fact of the matter in the 12 Responsibilities of Mastery, and that makes each one of us look at ourselves, and that's too hard, now isn't it? It's more "fun" to point the finger outward.

http://www.azuritepress.com/techniqu...ibilities.html

Re: The Bible and the Evil God: Lies, deception & brainwashing
 

I had to endure all that **** as well - for a while.

I think the last day I spent there was when they handed out all these paper pieces to all the kids that made letters. I was the only kid that made the word DOG whereas all the others made GOD.

I also remember an earlier episode: the Vicar asking me do define faith, I said I could not (since faith to me is a stupid idea). I asked if he could. So far as I remember he could not - at least not in terms that I found sounded remotely like truth.

I think my parents got the idea I didnt fit in there so they had to look after me a bit more on Sunday instead of conveniently dumping me off for some peace and quiet :)

A..

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I believe in the existence of good...and in the existence of evil. There really is goodness...and there really is evil. Of course...some believe that nothing is real. I can't believe it! I don't mean to be mean or judgmental...but arguments against the existence of sin, right and wrong, good and evil...are deluded, morally bankrupt, relativistic mumbo jumbo rants...consisting of pure, unmitigated poppycock..even if they are uttered by a televangelist in a megachurch with a Mumbo Jumbotron! And don't argue with me if you disagree...because you don't believe that anyone can be bad or wrong! Q.E.D. Case closed. Next! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAI8W...eature=related

One small child defined faith as 'believing what ain't so'. Another small child was asked what the wise-men saw when they looked skyward. His answer? 'Sputnik!' As a small child...I was asked why animals have tails. My answer? 'To cover-up their butts!' Art Linkletter was right. Kids do say the darndest things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBMOhM31EyM

Did you hear the one about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac? He lay awake each night...wondering if there was a DOG! He was probably looking out the window at the God Star. Siriusly.

What do you call a sleep-walking nun? A Roam'n Catholic with a Bad Habit!

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Redza... You speak with great conviction and elequance of the Bible and interpretation of what god means to you and it is admirable that you get such conviction and solid faith from the bible amongst other things...

Good for you and each man /woman to his own as they say... I can't and don't but I do have great connection to the Divine Mother/Father/Prime Source and all the Ambasadors and co-creatoers that I beleive work together in tandum with the divine Source....

I am on my own journey and respect everyone else's points of view...

Even the Bible says "There are many paths to my fathers house!"
(Think it was Jesus?)

What we all do agree on though is that we are all on a path of emense discovery and remeberance....and re-connection...
and Vive le diferance as it would be an awful old drudgery of a bisiness if we were all the same and thought the same?

You can always count on Greg to make us feel the energy of God ..blessings...
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Abrax... you wise old thing once more.. I totally gell with what you say..Love back to you ...

Oxy... I always love your posts and how your mind works... Love to you too Antonia

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Time and time again men just as yourself and woman have been contacted from the spiritual realm and given messages to pass on to their brothers and sisters. Higher consciousnesses have also incarnated on this earth to give those messages to humanity directly time and time again. These messages have been given in the purest universal love and truth. Over time individuals and elite groups have then distorted these messages and twisted or misrepresented them to their own advantage. The messages, however, are very strong and a man or woman of good heart with good intention can see the true message within the brambles and gain from them. A man or woman looking at the messages without the benefit of a good solid heart foundation will only see the brambles. Jesus was one of many messengers to try and set the record straight.

Fundamentally, many religions share the same message at their heart.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...tory+of+jesus#

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I think my brain is working better today... I did not mean that good and evil do not exist... I was merely pointing out that perhaps it is time to recognize that "evil" equates to those that are cut off from Source, the UnEnlightened, (those not in their right mind, whose actions are deemed Evil).

How Might We Bring the Unenlightened to Enlightenment?

Would it be better, perhaps, to use the words "Enlightened and Unenlightened" over words like "good and evil" because I can see how compassion enters the picture with the former and a warrior/fighting stance may enter with the latter word choice.

Going for some tea now...

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I knew what you meant...but I just felt like ranting. I rant...because I can. I rant...therefore I am. I don't want a solution...I just want to rant.

I understand the evils of a rigid and fundamentalist treatment of evil...but irresponsible relativism is not the answer either. Enlightened people have been some of the most evil people in the history of the world. This is a real problem...which isn't going away anytime soon.

Arguing on Avalon is probably a good place to begin. And putting into practice the message in the video just posted by Initiate.

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EA: As a christian, do you believe the story of jesus? Is it possible that jesus is part of the lies, deception and brainwashing?

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Religion and everything associated with it is based on the assumption that the stories human beings tell each other about gods and the supernatural are true. However, if one were to believe the Bible to be true (or the word of the one true and living god), which I did for many years, you have to maintain a hubristic attitude that I can no longer justify.

To think that our tiny species, living on our tiny planet, adrift in the vastness of space, which will exist for such a minuscule amount of time is the center of 'creation', or that we have the capacity to understand some 'greater reality' requires such arrogance it is amazing so many of us are blind to it. In reality, we are limited by what is available to us.

We are resource limited beings. The resource limited human brain cannot comprehend reality beyond the tiny sliver of space and time our species will ever occupy. This fact confounds these great cosmic mystical notions contained in religion and most spiritual practice. Or at least it does in my mind.

All stories about what exits outside of our tiny sphere of experienced universe are simply that ... stories. They may hold object lessons or human wisdom that might be useful, some of it is harmful, but they are human stories, created by humans for humans. This fact explains why 'revealed' information is so varied and contradictory and why humans have fought and killed each other over it for so long. It isn't 'divine' in way shape or form, it is human, animal, of the earth, and the product of the human imagination.

That's the way I see it anyway. Your views and opinions may vary.

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Isn't it true that good and evil exist only within the human mind? Is the Earth evil when an earthquake kills and disrupts life on its surface? Is a lion evil for killing an antelope? I think the majority of folks would see how silly those questions are so why do we try to impose the human concepts of good and evil on the 'reality' that is beyond human societal behavior? Certainly morals and ethics are good things and we'd hard pressed to get along without them but isn't important to recognize what exists solely as a human concept and what is real? Within the realm of human interaction there are good and evil acts. There may be diseased individuals who take pleasure from destructive (evil) acts but they are malfunctioning organisms and not the victims of some supernatural compulsion.

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"That's the way I see it anyway. Your views and opinions may vary."

Nevertheless, all human brains are operating with pretty much the same limited resources in both capacity and available data. Concepts, ideas, and belief systems that disregard this fact operate in the realm of fantasy.

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NO wonder why so many people hate God ...Religions are the main cause of disappointing people. On the other hand, God allows that so every soul will show its true quality ,everyone has free will and act upon it.

Vicars,priests,clergy and all other man made forms of religion are simply man made things. Not perfect-AND- surely not God`s creation. Man made religions in order to rule other men and gain various profit from them. From time ,power to money and finally -soul. But as we -humans are not born as slaves- we have a way out of this slavery brought upon us. Free will and God`s word.
Again everybody has an access to Bible and can find answers there,only if he wants to dig deep,to compare verses thoroughly ,diligently to stay on the Bible course -NOT- on religious course ( rules & regulations from churches).

NO one is excused. But again it is up to each person to make up its mind will he/she search for God or not.
Love,wisdom,power,justice are the very core of God-Creator. They do not change as God does not change.
We may hate him, yell at his deeds ,works and else but we can`t do a darn thing against. Simply we do not know all the facts,why God did this or that.We don`t know maaaany thing and yet we dare to spit on them.We don`r realize that we would not live at all if God didn`t arrange life circumstances in Earth. In fact the very air we breed is his creation as all is.

Alas! Free will, great gift! With such a great gift comes great responsibility, meaning that what we choose to do-that will happen to us.
What we sow-that we reap.

What do we think or conceive or imagine can not change facts and truth about God. Like it or not.

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Moxie I get your point:

We all share the same Source. As it is written: God is a sun that shines on both the just and the unjust.

God is the Sun of our Being. We live in God and God lives in us.

Now that being said, while it is true we are all One, it is also true that we are all free willed individualization's of the source.

Many have misused their opportunity to grow in consciousness and serve Life to instead serve only themselves, and even to try and halt life.

There is darkness. The universe is not yet ascended, so there are many many shadows. THe shadows, although they are truly temporary illusion and have no value whatsoever for God other than this temporary experience, have taken on a life of their own.

Many lifestreams, including fallen angels, have chosen to associate themselves with the temporary illusion of the darkness.

Much like the emperor in the movie star wars, many have chosen to associate themselves with the temporary illusion that there is power in the dark side.

That being said, I agree very much with some sentiments that there is a cosmic clean up underway. Those who have continued to chosen the darkness that is death to draw their source from, are consumed by the Light as it decends.

We are here Now for the rebirth of planet Earth into a Golden Age. All those who choose to align themselves with Life, with Love will make the shift into this virtually infinitely better way of Being.

The key to making the shift into the Golden Age, is being less focused on ourselves, than we are on helping others.

As we will see the current systems in our world, the towers of babel tumble to the ground, it is the ultimate opportunity for us to connect directly to our source within us, to our Divine flame within us, and help bring forth solutions to help our fellow man co-create a New Earth that is abundant for all rather than just for a small elite.

Those who love God love their neighbor. God requires no worship whatsoever, just that we choose Life.

Asking questions and pondering answers is the key to our spiritual growth. For if you ask, it shall be given. But we must be as children to enter the kingdom of heaven that is inside of us here and Now ~ meaning, there is always More, as soon as we 'think' we have the answers, then we're stuck. We're students in the schoolroom of infinity, so being life long learners is the way to BE.

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The King James version published in the 1950's was revised at Yale Divinity school. The transcriptionist was female. Her name was Betty Jean Morgan Davis. So, the bible that the fundamentalist churches are using was actually written (on a typewriter) by a woman. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it! Mrs. David Morgan Baker, aka, lindabaker.

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Well my friend, I have seen no evidence for bi-location, transmutation, or levitation outside of the performances of stage magicians. If you have any evidence that any of that sort of thing is more than fantasy and illusion I would love to see it.

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Hahaaa.......... Good for you Lindabarker!!!

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Why no one here talks about what is actually written in the book itself?
Of course it is man made but under the surface there lies a treasure of unspoken value...

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OK...I'm gonna talk out of both sides of my mealy speculative mouth. Here's another 'what-if?' adventure:

What if Humans and Reptilians evolved simultaneously...and genetically manipulated each other (mutual manipulation:naughty:)...and eventually ended up in a Human controlled Universal Theocracy...with Humans as the Gods...and Reptilians as the Angels? What if God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit were a Human Trinity...with the Father and Son being individuals...and the Holy Spirit being the Divinity Within Humanity (the souls in each person)? What if the Reptilian Race had a Shadow Trinity...consisting of Lucifer, Michael, and Gabriel...or Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? The Humans would be both physical and non-physical. The Reptilians would be both physical and non-physical.

What if the Reptilians got sick and tired of this Theocratic BS...and Lucifer led a rebellion against the Human Race...which exploded into the War in Heaven...killing the Human God the Father? What if a third of the Human Race was taken as hostages and slaves (perhaps deceived)...some (or all) of whom ended up on Earth...under the rulership of the Reptilian Lucifer?

I really started out with this general theory...before exploring other options. The one thing that remains the same...is that we need to get past the Master/Slave and Corruption/Violence BS. Otherwise...I'm pretty darn easy. Perhaps too easy. Sometimes I feel like the Kumbaya Olive Branch of the Gizeh Intelligence.

I'm asking you to look at a Human Trinity from all angles...and to look at a Reptilian Trinity from all angles. Look at all of the possibilities regarding the evolution/creation of both races. And finally to look at Church and State...and the subjects of Theocracy and Democracy...from all angles.

What would a Reptilian Trinity vs Human Trinity conflict look like? There would be a lot of confusion and deception...wouldn't there. None of the mythologies or theologies could really be trusted...could they? We can't really trust anything or anyone...can we? We just have to keep digging...keep asking questions...and keep speculating...without becoming enraged or going insane. What fun!

Here is one version of a resolution of the mess we are in...written by Ellen White...in the late 1800's...in a book titled 'The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan':

"I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." Revelation 21:22. The people of God are privileged to hold open communion with the Father and the Son. "Now we see through a glass, darkly." 1 Corinthians 13:12

We behold the image of God reflected, as in a mirror, in the works of nature and in His dealings with men; but then we shall see Him face to face, without a dimming veil between. We shall stand in His presence and behold the glory of His countenance. {GC 676.4}

There the redeemed shall know, even as also they are known. The loves and sympathies which God Himself has planted in the soul shall there find truest and sweetest exercise. The pure communion with holy beings, the harmonious social life with the blessed angels and with the faithful ones of all ages who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, the sacred ties that bind together "the whole family in heaven and earth" (Ephesians 3:15)--these help to constitute the happiness of the redeemed. {GC 677.1}

There, immortal minds will contemplate with never-failing delight the wonders of creative power, the mysteries of redeeming love. There will be no cruel, deceiving foe to tempt to forgetfulness of God. Every faculty will be developed, every capacity increased. The acquirement of knowledge will not weary the mind or exhaust the energies. There the grandest enterprises may be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations reached, the highest ambitions realized; and still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of mind and soul and body. {GC 677.2}

All the treasures of the universe will be open to the study of God's redeemed. Unfettered by mortality, they wing their tireless flight to worlds afar--worlds that thrilled with sorrow at the spectacle of human woe and rang with songs of gladness at the tidings of a ransomed soul. With unutterable delight the children of earth enter into the joy and the wisdom of unfallen beings. They share the treasures of knowledge and understanding gained through ages upon ages in contemplation of God's handiwork. With undimmed vision they gaze upon the glory of creation--suns and stars and systems, all in their appointed order circling the throne of Deity. Upon all things, from the least to the greatest, the Creator's name is written, and in all are the riches of His power displayed. {GC 677.3}

And the years of eternity, as they roll, will bring richer and still more glorious revelations of God and of Christ. As knowledge is progressive, so will love, reverence, and happiness increase. The more men learn of God, the greater will be their admiration of His character. As Jesus opens before them the riches of redemption and the amazing achievements in the great controversy with Satan, the hearts of the ransomed thrill with more fervent devotion, and with more rapturous joy they sweep the harps of gold; and ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of voices unite to swell the mighty chorus of praise. {GC 678.1}

"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." Revelation 5:13. {GC 678.2}

The great controversy is ended. Sin and sinners are no more. The entire universe is clean. One pulse of harmony and gladness beats through the vast creation. From Him who created all, flow life and light and gladness, throughout the realms of illimitable space. From the minutest atom to the greatest world, all things, animate and inanimate, in their unshadowed beauty and perfect joy, declare that God is love. {GC 678.3}

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