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uniconr 10-27-2008 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticomuna (Post 62902)
I have watched that interview and in my opinion it is complete BS. The guy just came up with the most common ideas in the new age/ufo/conspiracy groups and repeated them. The guy thinks he can hear God! He should be sent to a mental institution!

I know people that believe they can hear "spirits". They are some not-so-intelligent miserable individuals who can't create anything (either technology, art or whatever) and live miserably (and trying to make others to be the same). All these kind of people want is to gain power over others. How? By being "the channel" between "the spirits" and you. That's not "evolved" in any way!

dr. deagle is not attempting to be a spiritual middleman.. in fact it is just the opposite; he is encouraging people to get in touch with the source of creation themselves, if you think that is crazy, then you dont have to even try, but your public spew of judgement and negativity.. uncalled for in this community to say the least.

anticomuna, if it is your opinion that the most common ideas in the new age/ufo/conspiracy groups are completely false, i have to question exactly what your interest is in the project camelot material..

regardless, i agree with astroboy. try tuning in, and dont stop trying until you dont have to try.

vettman 10-27-2008 07:29 PM

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Folks, basically it comes down to this. Bill and Kerry are presenting as many different facets to the story/picture/scenario as possible...in other words, they are "questioning everything..." as Einstein said. He also said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." You may or may not agree with them OR Dr. Deagle. You don't have to, and you certainly shouldn't just on hearing what he or anyone has to say. You most definetly should investigate for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

There was much of the most recent interview with Dr. Deagle that doesn't resonate with me as well, HOWEVER, it is simply another perspective, that's all. Take it or leave it as you will. The simple answer to any and all of the information that is presented to us by Bill and Kerry is this:

"If it works for you, or if it doesn't work for you."

If it doesn't work for you, move along. If it does work for you, make sure it is because you have investigated it on your own and "know" within your own Being that it is your truth.

There is no "one" correct path for all. Each individual path is the correct path for each soul expression. Take what works for you and run with it. That which does not work for you, as I said move along. It doesn't mean that that is how it is for the next person. There is no right or wrong...ONLY that which 'does' or 'does not' work for each of us.

I nor you have experienced the life experiences that Dr. Deagle has. I myself have had many awakening experiences that many of my friends and family have labeled as crazy and insane...but to ME, and MY experience, it makes total sense and I understand it perfectly. Such is the experience of each and every one of us..."unique." The "experience" is what this is all about...as many and as varied experiences as possible in order to gain as much "experience" as possible. That includes all things dark and all things light, ultimately to settle into balance in all things, but only through the extremes of the polarity can that be achieved. Far be it from me to intervene on the experience(s) of another. Just watching the videos and determining for yourself whether or not anything he says works for you or not, is an "experience"! is it not? To limit yourself in any way is to limit your level of experience. Personally, I want to gain as much experience as I possibly can so that I don't have to repeat any of this again. Heaven or Hell (if you will) is what you make of your experience right here, right now. I personally think that the 3rd dimension is as close to Hell as a soul can get but as some might say, a necessary evil. If that is the case, it only gets better from here on out!

Anticomuna 10-27-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vettman (Post 63020)
...in other words, they are "questioning everything..." as Einstein said. He also said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

No, there are lots of questions that weren't asked. For example, who is this guy? Really that he did all the things he said he did? Does anybody in the places he said he knew remember him? Can his sources be checked?

Questioning is not condemnation and possibility is not truth.

If he says he hears God then I would expect some kind of evidence, like ressurrecting the dead, walking on water, turning water into wine, etc. :mfr_lol:

He is now a direct competitor to Billy Meier. Another prophet and another big ego. But at least Billy Meier has some cool pictures, even though questionable, and a more interesting story to tell.

Jonah 10-27-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard T (Post 62866)
Prophets live a sort of possession. They do not quote though.
The problem with prophets of the past is that they always yielded to the invisible.
A spiritual connection is not good enough.

Are you saying he needs to connect his physical world as well?

Not just his spirit.

Is it his love for the invisible that causes his vision's to be misunderstood?

JohnWdoe 10-27-2008 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dragondweller (Post 62646)
I'm sorry, but I spent last night and this morning listening to this guy in the newest 3 part interview. There's something interesting and credible with this guy, but too much that just isn't. I think he is a government insider spreading fear, disinformation, and he ultimately wants us to give up religion, which is probably a new world order/one world government agenda anyway. There's something really off about him.

First of all, he offers no solutions, just a gloom and doom scenario and a lot of fear. If he's right about the nuclear devestation and no where to hide on earth, there's nothing that can be done about it. If he's not right, anyone who listens to him has just bought into all the fear that he spreads and wasted their time and energy feeling helpless and hopeless and waiting for the devestation. I'm certainly guilty of the latter, and who wants to live their life a paranoid fool, waiting for bad things to happen? Won't I feel stupid if they never do, like I wasted my life in anticipation that life isn't worth the effort of living? In the meantime, he promotes his web site on nutritionals, trying to make a profit. I would imagine that some of his products might come in handy for "preparing" for what is to come. Is that what a prophet does? Promote himself to make profits?

This guy has no peace in him. He talks directly to God? He is a prophet? I doubt that. What solution did he come up with during that interview? Hardly any. Just a lot of fear, gloom and doom. Total bullsh*t. How many times did he touch his nose during the interview, a body language sign that you're lying? He's a prophet? Prophets spread fear, gloom, and doom, offer no real solutions, and say that they are prophets? Some prophet.

This guy talks very fast, rambles about all sorts of different subjects, can't keep on topic 1/2 the time, etc. He's been everywhere and done everything under the sun, it seems. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally. I just don't know why he's even interviewed by Project Camelot.

There is something there. He possesses a great deal of knowledge and is talented. But, ultimately, he's done too much and his ultimate message is nothing but fear. What's the point? He's a fear monger with no real solutions. That's what the government likes to do. Send in guys like this with no real solutions, spreading fear and despair, and subtle disinformation. I think Alex Jones could be another one, frankly. Profiteering from making people scared, envisioning hopelessness, and not giving real solutions.

That's my opinion. Deagle's vibe promotes fear, confusion, and hopelessness.


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I'm sorry, but I spent last night and this morning listening to this guy in the newest 3 part interview. There's something interesting and credible with this guy, but too much that just isn't. I think he is a government insider spreading fear, disinformation, and he ultimately wants us to give up religion, which is probably a new world order/one world government agenda anyway. There's something really off about him.
It seems everyone who speaks about forming a one world religion is a NWO insider well also those who want to abolish it are also "NWO" agents here to rule the world... What ever happened to the real situations behind why Religion is a plague? I have no problem with its cultural heritage and being proud but to believe and ignore the obvious truths about Catholicism would be foolish.

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First of all, he offers no solutions, just a gloom and doom scenario and a lot of fear. If he's right about the nuclear devestation and no where to hide on earth, there's nothing that can be done about it. If he's not right, anyone who listens to him has just bought into all the fear that he spreads and wasted their time and energy feeling helpless and hopeless and waiting for the devestation. I'm certainly guilty of the latter, and who wants to live their life a paranoid fool, waiting for bad things to happen? Won't I feel stupid if they never do, like I wasted my life in anticipation that life isn't worth the effort of living? In the meantime, he promotes his web site on nutritionals, trying to make a profit. I would imagine that some of his products might come in handy for "preparing" for what is to come. Is that what a prophet does? Promote himself to make profits?

You are right about the doom and gloom aspects but we ourselves open our ears to the message, it all depends on who hears it and frankly that CAN be a bad thing, hell, i know my friend who was absolutely paranoid about this and it made me look like some kind of fringe leader when the person paranoid only knew about Nibiru, it spreads quite easy and labels us all.

You are right in people wasting their lives in fear, some also waste their lives in helping the helpless, some people simply don't want to hear it and the more breath we waste on them the more time we waste trying to find that goodness in ourselves - their must be many who waste their time on others well nothing comes of it. When this happens we have all sorts of other things we can sell to people like the various Homeopathy shysters, its all about hitting a certain market - i.e personality.

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This guy has no peace in him. He talks directly to God? He is a prophet? I doubt that. What solution did he come up with during that interview? Hardly any. Just a lot of fear, gloom and doom. Total bullsh*t. How many times did he touch his nose during the interview, a body language sign that you're lying? He's a prophet? Prophets spread fear, gloom, and doom, offer no real solutions, and say that they are prophets? Some prophet.
He may be a subject of EMF waves or Blue Beam technology (i have no proof of this) but the only other logistical answer is that he is being manipulated into his own belief system to spread what ever the handler chooses. I wasn't to aware of his body language but ill go over it and see whats up.

If you want to make a quick buck in a consumer based economy you must either make them afraid or lie to them - either way you get the cash.

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This guy talks very fast, rambles about all sorts of different subjects, can't keep on topic 1/2 the time, etc. He's been everywhere and done everything under the sun, it seems. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally. I just don't know why he's even interviewed by Project Camelot.
A rambling man is a man who has to much on his mind and his assertion about Columbine was something i have NEVER heard about... The FBI shot some kids?? very odd indeed, and if so why?? to rack the kill count up more and take away peoples guns? thats just a thought but who knows...

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There is something there. He possesses a great deal of knowledge and is talented. But, ultimately, he's done too much and his ultimate message is nothing but fear. What's the point? He's a fear monger with no real solutions. That's what the government likes to do. Send in guys like this with no real solutions, spreading fear and despair, and subtle disinformation. I think Alex Jones could be another one, frankly. Profiteering from making people scared, envisioning hopelessness, and not giving real solutions.
How many people have i seen within the truth movement repeat the same story and offer not a solution?? jesus to many to count, it seems the more they learn the more they realize how F u c k e d they are.

Alex Jones and Bill Deagle say they want the best for mankind but they themselves fall into the "sheeple, naa naa naa" crowd and always blame it on the phantom, its come to a point where the term New World Order could be used against us to paint us all as loons, how many people within the movement have given us ALL bad names?? quite a bunch... and when people like us try to get the real truth we get labeled debunkers. Even people within this site have called me a debunker simply because im TIRED of hearing all this BS, but no it never seems to fit the agenda of he who is way over his head.

Reality is so far away from humanity right now its a complete mystery.

BooBear 10-27-2008 11:22 PM

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After listening to Dr Deagle and his quite staggering stories and predictions, I am now convinced he is playing a part in the "BlueBeam Project". Part truth-part disinfo.
Did he say he was a related to Moses ? Deagle is a doom and gloom merchant.:shocked: Stay well clear. As for David Wilcock, he is clearly a new age Guru wannabe. Ironically ,DW doesnt rate Deagle either.
The more I research 2012 and its significance, the more I see NWO.:smoke:

ChickenLittle 10-27-2008 11:25 PM

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I really want to believe in Deagle... but when he starts going on about how many 100's of super-natural, magical experiences he has had It’s more about HOW he describes them) my "Discernment" says he may have some incites, but he seriously embellishes the truth of his experiences. He talks fast like a pathological liar friend I used to know. It’s a bummer that Project Camelot gives Deagle their time and energy.

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Originally Posted by dragondweller (Post 62646)
I'm sorry, but I spent last night and this morning listening to this guy in the newest 3 part interview. There's something interesting and credible with this guy, but too much that just isn't. I think he is a government insider spreading fear, disinformation, and he ultimately wants us to give up religion, which is probably a new world order/one world government agenda anyway. There's something really off about him.

First of all, he offers no solutions, just a gloom and doom scenario and a lot of fear. If he's right about the nuclear devestation and no where to hide on earth, there's nothing that can be done about it. If he's not right, anyone who listens to him has just bought into all the fear that he spreads and wasted their time and energy feeling helpless and hopeless and waiting for the devestation. I'm certainly guilty of the latter, and who wants to live their life a paranoid fool, waiting for bad things to happen? Won't I feel stupid if they never do, like I wasted my life in anticipation that life isn't worth the effort of living? In the meantime, he promotes his web site on nutritionals, trying to make a profit. I would imagine that some of his products might come in handy for "preparing" for what is to come. Is that what a prophet does? Promote himself to make profits?

This guy has no peace in him. He talks directly to God? He is a prophet? I doubt that. What solution did he come up with during that interview? Hardly any. Just a lot of fear, gloom and doom. Total bullsh*t. How many times did he touch his nose during the interview, a body language sign that you're lying? He's a prophet? Prophets spread fear, gloom, and doom, offer no real solutions, and say that they are prophets? Some prophet.

This guy talks very fast, rambles about all sorts of different subjects, can't keep on topic 1/2 the time, etc. He's been everywhere and done everything under the sun, it seems. He was at Columbine, he was here, he was there, blah blah blah. I think he's some sort of pathological liar and bullsh*t artist, personally. I just don't know why he's even interviewed by Project Camelot.

There is something there. He possesses a great deal of knowledge and is talented. But, ultimately, he's done too much and his ultimate message is nothing but fear. What's the point? He's a fear monger with no real solutions. That's what the government likes to do. Send in guys like this with no real solutions, spreading fear and despair, and subtle disinformation. I think Alex Jones could be another one, frankly. Profiteering from making people scared, envisioning hopelessness, and not giving real solutions.

That's my opinion. Deagle's vibe promotes fear, confusion, and hopelessness.


JohnWdoe 10-27-2008 11:29 PM

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But my post above is answering your questions and thats all, i honestly think Bill is a good man who is trying his best to understand the situation (like all of us) just he has the real life experience to back it up and on that note he can be labeled an insider or "plant".

If we never had a whistle blower what would we have? really nothing but declassified information, it seems Bill had a slow start and seeing Kerry actually get "angry" and to see Bill start using the "time out sign" was quite odd, i think Kerry knows alot more then she leads on, as Zorgy told me - The things released in public are not always what you hear in person, some of the things these insiders know they wont even release on camera simply because its either to far out or just plain scary.

Bill is a good man from what i can gather but i still keep a keen eye on him (from what i can see) and take it like apples and oranges.

He wants to help.

Emman 10-27-2008 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dragondweller (Post 62830)
Another thing that I find sort of inconsistent or silly is that he constantly talks about not getting involved in religion, yet quotes the bible constantly and claims he's descended from Moses and is a prophet, just like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all had prophets. So, should we now follow him? Is he the new prophet of his new religion? He says he's a piece of hardened steel. Possibly, mentally and spiritually, but franky, I don't fully buy it. And if he's talking physically, he could probably use some exercise. He's an egomaniac. Egomaniacs aren't usually prophets and fear mongerers, I don't think. Therefore, although some or a lot of what he says may be true, there's something really off about him and not all that helpful and God-like.


Deagle says we must "repent". That is such a loaded word to me. Kind of like the N word. I wish he would define what he means by repent. I get a revulsion from that word that brings to mind when someone says we must repent. I think of an extreme Christian fundamentalist talking. I, too, wonder about his quoting the bible. On the one hand, he says some very straightforward hardcore spirtual concepts that no conventional Christian at this point would accept. But, on the other hand he'll say something like the burning bush spoke....etc. It's a weird dichotomy to me.

As with any and all sources of information, we must be skeptical. When he claims to be a direct descendant of Moses, or that he attended a galactic council that oversees whether we'll be "aborted spirits" or not, we can only take his word on it. Bill and Kerry let it go and didn't call him on it. But, that wasn't what the interview was about whether he can substantiate his claims. He was supposed to give us a rundown on what to expect in the coming days and weeks ahead as Bill was trying at the start to set the premise for this interview. He went off in so many tangents that even after almost 3 hours I was left still wanting answers.

AndyH 10-28-2008 12:01 AM

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Did anyone else notice that he said the asteroid belt is between Earth and Mars!!?

I find it strange that he'd say that given it's common knowledge that it's located between Mars and Jupiter.

Rebel4Life 10-28-2008 12:14 AM

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one word. EGO. :smoke:

Truth voice 2012 10-28-2008 12:34 AM

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Well said pineal-pilot. Bills interview for me, was just another confirmation of the main issues that we face.

ETs are controlling every aspect of our lives (Religion, Military, Politics, Education and the Media) except for our free will.

These ETs are higher dimensional reptilian buggers!

They feed off negative energy and interact with this dimention through the "blue bloods" via their unique DNA.

Apperently the only way to defeat these fiends is to boycot ALL of their institutions and drop our egos. Im hopeful but, I find it very hard to believe that this will occur.

Bill for me wasnt fearmongering, he has made the same logical conclusion of our current situation, that I have made myself. I hate to say it but he was right on the money about a lot off things in this vid.

broken arrow 10-28-2008 12:45 AM

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broken arrow 10-28-2008 12:57 AM

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granny 10-28-2008 12:59 AM

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Historycircus post:

"The real trick with these Camelot interviews and other sources, is to take something of value away from them - or else you will have just wasted your time. Why do anything that does not enrich your existence? Besides, I think that is why Kerry and Bill do the videos - to educate. "


My approach exactly and thanks for bringing it to mind.

There was one word Deagle used repeatedly ... discernment ... and that is what we need to bring to this party.
Gran

Tuza 10-28-2008 01:08 AM

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There are many reasons why I believe Bill Deagle is the real deal. He confirmed the vision I had years ago about what was going on underground as far as the chimero/human manipulations experimentations. I was glad I relayed my vision to a Camelot whistleblower by a PM, telling them what I saw before I saw BW's recent interview which confirmed mine.

Fear mongering, ego, well you have to have some sort of ego to live on the planet and speak up, it helps you know, but having said that, don't blame anyone but yourselves if the shtf and you have not prepared because he tried to tell you what to do to prepare, and is not that what we came to Project Avalon to do, - ground crews to prepare - yes it was a strong interview but what did you expect - fluffy warm hugs - look whats going on around you - and that is just the tip of the iceberg - the general public on the whole has not got an iota of what is realling going on. This guy knows people, has been confided to - been to places and knows secrets - all he is trying to do is wake people up for God' sake - meaning our sake.

If we just sit around and talk to each other and do nothing then we have no one to blame but ourselves when it is over and we are in spirit and we did nothing. I have a poll on another thread - I am prepared now to go over and talk in front of the bad guys - and there are some bad ones out there - okay so they might be playing this game - well I will put myself in the game and play it - my move - if only they will let me speak somewhere to some important people - eventhough I am just an uneducated housewife, mum and grandmum. :lightsabre::original: at least I tried.

TruthWillSetUFree 10-28-2008 01:27 AM

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Everyone on here is at a different consciousness level and why not everyone "got" the context of Deagle's spiritual message.

Jesus said, "Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear" I believe his message long ago was the same as the spiritual messages of today as he was a master of quantum physics. This was depicted in the story of the mustard seed.
He came to tell us that, "Ye are Gods" and we can do as he does and more if we believe.

It's funny how the people who do not understand the messages get so angry about them but then have a quote underneath speaking about love. I guess it is not so easy to love those we don't agree with!

Unconditional love is not about making other people wrong for their beliefs or accusing them of a big ego. To speak out these days you do need a strong ego with all the criticism and threats one gets, not only from forums but government groups who want to shut you up or kill you.

One person even said how he should be more humble as a man of God. This is of the old paradigm. Because the world is changing at such a rapid pace the spiritual teachers of today do not sit under a bodhi tree in meditation, they are more likely to kick ass get the job done.

Any man who stuck by having his daughter knowing she was down syndrome AND had a heart defect with so much love..........geez what are some of you thinking?

"By their fruits you shall know them" The only fruit I saw of the person who began this thread is condemnation, judgment, misunderstanding and ridicule.
It sounds like he is the disinfomation specialist.

I sincerely hope we can get it together here folks. Again, if you see a fault in another it is a fault you have but do not want to see about yourself. This is how we change the world, by looking at ourselves before we condemn another, then unconditionally loving them.

Peace & Love to you all.

Tuza 10-28-2008 01:34 AM

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Exacto mundo as the Fonz used to say to the last post. I agree totally, don't say no one told you okay. Don't say you were not told by anyone. A few times the dark side actually tried to recruite Bill Deagle and he told them where to go - would you have been that strong - think about it for a minute, just a wee minute - go on - would you have had the guts to say no.

HaveBlue 10-28-2008 02:04 AM

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I agree with David wilcocks assessment of Dr Deagle. I note this interview being the latest 3 part one was done back in September. His previous doomsday visions have not come true.
However he does have some valid things to say and we are wise to heed the warnings.
I had to smile right at the end of Pt3 where he said 'you won't even be safe in the south island of New Zealand'- That's where I am, and right next to the sea at 6ft above sea level. I am happy and comfortable here and have many times had my own gut feeling on things. I have no intention of moving.
Stocking up for a month or two on food and water and gas,being as self reliant as you are when camping is common sense.
Dr Deagle has filled us in on some black ops that go on,most of which is not new. His nightmares are not our reality. He should have mentioned in his many quotes of bible scripture that there will be many false prophets! Why does he neglect to mention this we must ask ourselves?:trumpet:

micjer 10-28-2008 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BooBear (Post 63167)
After listening to Dr Deagle and his quite staggering stories and predictions, I am now convinced he is playing a part in the "BlueBeam Project". Part truth-part disinfo.
Did he say he was a related to Moses ? Deagle is a doom and gloom merchant.:shocked: Stay well clear. As for David Wilcock, he is clearly a new age Guru wannabe. Ironically ,DW doesnt rate Deagle either.
The more I research 2012 and its significance, the more I see NWO.:smoke:



excuse my ignorance but are you saying that you think the 2012 event is being staged by the NWO?

NOWIAM 10-28-2008 02:15 AM

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Would it be possible that Dr. Deagle has been conditioned by covert mind control experiments (e.g.: MK-ULTRA, etc)?

Does anyone have any detailed information of various tell-tale signs of mind control victims?


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Myplanet2 10-28-2008 02:35 AM

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I finally got the time to listen to all three segments, and I found I got a lot out of them. There was lots I could agree with. I can personally do without the insistence upon impending doom that is unconfrontable by practically anyone, but I understand his sense of urgency.

His experiences are real to him, or he's an actor in a league of his own. I'd say he must believe what he says. Just an intuition.

I am now kind of surprised at how easily some simply dismiss him. That's interesting.

But as said so often now, just take what you find useful, and leave the rest. If you really don't think there is anything of value in Deagle's work, then ignore him from now on.

MargueriteBee 10-28-2008 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg10036 (Post 62805)
I cannot comment on Dr. Deagles credibility but please allow me to say:

"Harry Truman is my seventh cousin. By direct lineage, I am president of the United States. I have been empowered by this lineage to be president of the United States. People may say, 'how can Greg be president? He does not look like a president.' To this I respond, I did not choose this job. I am president. I have direct lineage to the presidency. This is not easy, but somebody has to do it. Ask me any question and I will give you very long answers. You will see how much I know about being president. Thank you for your support in this noble burden.
BTW a three book deal has been signed and a movie is in the works. You can read more about this at website:
ofcoursegregispresidentitisobvious.com
for further information on how bad it is, see the doom blog at:
nobodygetsoutofitalive.com"

g.
:winksmiley02:


Thank you very much, I could not have said it better myself.:roll1:

broken arrow 10-28-2008 03:48 AM

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raulduke 10-28-2008 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuza (Post 63244)
If we just sit around and talk to each other and do nothing then we have no one to blame but ourselves when it is over and we are in spirit and we did nothing.....at least I tried.

Amen sister.

We'll try hard....:thumb_yello:

Accipiter_Phi 10-28-2008 04:57 AM

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I believe Deagle believes what he says. Obviously, people are responding intuitively to his message in many different ways.

In counseling, we sometimes use an exercise to understand one's point of view...

So, please Indulge this hypothetical construct:

It requires you to engage in a little bit of ROLE PLAY. Here is your character's motivation:

YOU are a prophet whose bloodline descends to "thee" hero of old: MOSES; the messenger of the Torah whom is known to be more humble than any other man... (and a probable Annunaki crossbreed).

YOU are 1 of the 24 most important men in the history of the Planet Earth since YOU have been personally hand selected as a representative by "the Galactic Grand Council" to establish rather or not the planet earth (and its infinite bio diversity potential) shall be extinguished like so much athlete's foot upon the sole (soul) of the Universe. Just think about that for a second ... YOU are LITERALLY 1 of the 24 most important hu-mans out of the trillions upon trillions of souls that have existed since the beginning of life here upon Gaia, "the cleaved one.".

YOU woke up one day and had a French Nobleman and CEO of Earth materialize out of thin air... and his name was "Dragon Penis" (translation of "PinDar"). "Dragon Penis" then told YOU that YOU have been slated to be the new "Dragon Penis"; i.e.: the new CEO of Earth. (I don't know about you, but the CEO of Earth sounds like a dick).

YOU can talk to GOD... via a direct link...

Through this link with the Infinite Creator of all that is, YOU were told that ALL religions are fraudulent... especially Buddhism (those damn war mongering Buddhists with their stupid infinite compassion :mad3: FOOLs!.. Every last emotionally balanced one of them!...)

YOU have always "been in the right place at the right time" and you have more "hands on" experience than fictional characters like "MacGyver, James Bond, Dr. Who, House M.D., and Vinzinni the Sicilian (from the Princess Bride) all rolled into one massive, intelligence singularity.

The Infinite Creator, THEE I AM PRESENCE, has charged YOU with a task to save Humanity... not JUST from "Physical Death" but from the DEATH of humanity's VERY SOUL... (I never knew the Universe was so wasteful with timeless and eternal beings; wasteful with fragments of the "I AM" attempting to experience itself through freewill, but I digress).

OK... now that YOU have your character's motivation.... lets start the hypothetical role play:

WHAT DO YOU DO?

Well, you probably want to get interviewed and spread the word... this is a "no brainer."

HOW DO YOU ACT?

Well, given the extreme experiential nature of your current incarnation, YOU would surely be as humble as Moses, no?

You would teach by example, since your 3rd dimensional experience is seemingly unparalleled by any other, no?

You would have no need to spend upwards of 60% of your interview dropping your proverbial "props" since you would KNOW that the truths that YOU espouse are self evident.

You, as 1 of the 24 most important men in the history of Planet Earth and one with GOD's home phone number, would convince the "lost ones" to furnish themselves with firearms... RIGHT?

You would give the populace the benefit of the doubt that they CAN handle the TRUTH (after all, YOU COULD). YOU WOULD NOT speak to them in a didactic and pedantic manner? Ofcourse.

YOU would be an instrument of GOD's peace,
Where there is hatred, YOU would sow love;
where there is injury, YOU would pardon;
where there is doubt, YOU would shine faith;
where there is despair, YOU would offer hope;
where there is darkness, YOU would radiate light;
where there is sadness, YOU would foster joy;
YOU would not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.

YOU, as 1 of the 24 most important men in the history of the planet would have inner peace, focus, patience, humility... HOPE.

The GOD I know wouldn't want me to do HER work any other way...

But I guess it all depends on just WHO YOUR GOD IS.


__________________________________________________ _____________

After watching the recent Deagle interview, I just can't stop thinking about this one movie quote by Vizinni the Sicilian from The Princess Bride:

"Ever heard of PLATO, ARISTOTLE, SOCRATES?..."
"yes"
"MORONS!"

(please view this post in the spirit in which it is intended: a humorous look at some redflags of a "lightworkers" messsage).

Norval 10-28-2008 05:03 AM

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huh? :naughty:

clarkkent 10-28-2008 05:33 AM

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mr PHI as usual points out very good things that the few discerning folks on the forum would see as well.

someone posted this link and its actually one of the better level headed articles ive read on this whole field of thought.
here it is, i highly recommend clickin' it.

http://montalk.net/alien/145/discern...rmation-part-1

im not posting much these days but i still check from time to time. i watched the bob dean and now deagle's interview. i concur with all mr PHI said, its too bad bill asked for the other "90%" deagle left out of the grenada forum and instead of more information about black ops/alien/other dimensional info we got a lot of "me me me, prophet, jesus, yeshuwah, me, me," and some spirituality, which is all fine and dandy but i have to say he seems stuck in the same paradigm that has enslaved us (the guns stuff) also he's the first person ive heard who believes an "infinite soul" can be destroyed, that doesnt sound too infinite to me.

i really resonate MORE with people that can divorce themselves from whatever religious pov they grew up with-clearly he hasnt despite the fact that he says how terrible religion is he's dropping bible quotes left and right
and his bloodline lineage.....turns me off bigtime (sidenote-- the video editing...what happened? sound problems bad lighting etc etc-did someone else shoot/edit it? also i know kerry is trying to keep focus for the interview but too often doesnt let an interview complete a thought and confuses the interviewee and jumbles the flow)

anyhow...yeah my 2 cents

FoxForceFive 10-28-2008 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuza (Post 63273)
Don't say you were not told by anyone. A few times the dark side actually tried to recruite Bill Deagle and he told them where to go

That 'story' was the one that broke the camel's back for me. Until then, I was somewhat frustrated that Kerry was not getting the answers she was demanding as he would go off on another track.. but I was nevertheless open-minded and attentive.

Then, he goes into this story about how this Rothschild Pindar dude in a $5000 suit woke him up and then vanishes into the ether in a puff of smoke, through a vortex of some kind. I'm like 'okkkkaaaay what a load of...' - it smacked very much of Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol and being visited by the ghost of Christmas past.

Something didn't ring true there for me, felt more like storytelling.. spinning a yarn..

Hypnotize 10-28-2008 06:20 AM

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it seemed to me that he was sorta putting himself on a pedistole and kept talking about how much power he has.

Scooby 10-28-2008 06:33 AM

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He states that we are all spirit extensions of the great I am. Or we are all a part of God. Sorry but I never was, I am Not Now, Nor will I ever be the great I Am or Yahweh Or yahvah if you will. I am a Child of the Most high. I am a creation of the Most High but I AM NOT THE MOST HIGH. I can work as an agent for him. I can be filled with him. I can commune with him as well if He wills it. But NO Where in the Scriptures does it say such a thing and it's as good as Blasphemy to say so. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a part of God. His stating so make me throw away all the rest of what he says. Period. The Bible says that we are to be the Bride of Christ so does that mean God will marry his self? I could make several more statements like this but I don't even want to waste my time. Deagle is a Money whore. The end is near!! But my cures for disease and protect yourself with them against pandemics. plllease. He also gets guests like the crazy nut that runs Vatican assassin's. Who , that is a true believer could even entertain someone like that on their show? Sorry but thats just how I feel about him. Please don't hate me, well if you want to I guess you can hate me for it. :wink2:

Myplanet2 10-28-2008 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby (Post 63423)
He states that we are all spirit extensions of the great I am. Or we are all a part of God. Sorry but I never was, I am Not Now, Nor will I ever be the great I Am or Yahweh Or yahvah if you will. I am a Child of the Most high. I am a creation of the Most High but I AM NOT THE MOST HIGH. I can work as an agent for him. I can be filled with him. I can commune with him as well if He wills it. But NO Where in the Scriptures does it say such a thing and it's as good as Blasphemy to say so. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a part of God. His stating so make me throw away all the rest of what he says. Period. The Bible says that we are to be the Bride of Christ so does that mean God will marry his self? I could make several more statements like this but I don't even want to waste my time. Deagle is a Money whore. The end is near!! But my cures for disease and protect yourself with them against pandemics. plllease. He also gets guests like the crazy nut that runs Vatican assassin's. Who , that is a true believer could even entertain someone like that on their show? Sorry but thats just how I feel about him. Please don't hate me, well if you want to I guess you can hate me for it. :wink2:

I can see from your comments and viewpoint how Deagles comments might not have sat well with you.

But this needn't come down to "right" and "wrong". It could be different instead.

When a person views from a point, (has a viewpoint) other points appear as different, or "over there". Many religions, including yours, instill and then strengthen this tendency. This is how it is. That way is the wrong way. They are this, or that. Unbelievers. Misguided. Controlled by dark forces. If you don't agree with our view, then you are wrong and doomed. And ad infinitum.

The challenge is in avoiding the automatic rejection of other viewpoints.

Learning is done by comparing. If you can't look at other viewpoints, then what do you have to compare to?

Average Joe 10-28-2008 02:07 PM

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I agree with the OP.

Richard T 10-28-2008 02:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge (Post 63102)
Are you saying he needs to connect his physical world as well?

Not just his spirit.

Is it his love for the invisible that causes his vision's to be misunderstood?

What I am saying is that prophecy is from the invisible and a prophet speaks the voice of the invisible.

Prophets of the past did not possess their psychic territory, like the average joe. But they had enough internal strength to support the energy. Then there are those other 'prophets' who are partly given information they don't control and who partly extrapolate from what they believe they know. It is not even a question of goodwill, it is a question of trusting the invisible to be 'truthful'.

A real prophet is the direct manifestation of the verb of his own infinity and does not speak in the name of an entity or in the name of a book. That is what tomorrow's prophets will be.

Giving credibility to the invisible, regardless of what we want to call the intelligences that work in those domains, is a bit like trusting your banker 'who only wants your welfare'.

It is not because they say so that it is so. Like it is not because a certain intelligence hiding behind a show of light claims to be the Nazarene that it is the case.

Another example, the problem with anthropomorphism, where people rationalize that 'god' is a being, therefore exposing themselves to being told by any intelligence that they are contacted by 'god', or even more subtly being captivated by a vibration that conveys a sense of godhood.

Visions are not understood because they are examined intellectually.

When we dream at night, the ego is in suspension. The astral forms that are the archetypes and those that are other types of symbols are interacted with solely at the psychic level. They work at the level of the vibration and appear psychically obvious during the dream state. If the ego keeps the memory of his dreams or visions, he will seek to interpret them using the intellectual categories he uses when awake to try and make sense of his life. But the forms are not understandable psychologically, they are understandable psychically. This should help understand the deep differences between the laws of certain invisible spheres and those of the material sphere. But the ego is too much captivated by the form and ditches the vibration, which is the information carried by the form.

The ego always seeks to understand when in reality there is nothing to understand. All is to be known, and knowing is by vibration and never by intellectual evaluation of the form itself. Understanding is giving a value to an error.

suchanawesomekid 10-28-2008 03:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anticomuna (Post 63092)
who is this guy?

dude...

if you don't know who Dr. Deagle is, if you've never heard of him before, then that's your situation to address.

the guy has a radio show called "the nutrimedical report", and is widely regarded as a person with credibility, quite far from someone like billy meier, for example. i assume a lot of people write him off because of his style of speaking out, but i don't care about what those people have to say.

it seems to me you just don't know what you are talking about

anyway... look.... if you don't like the guy, that's fine. i don't agree with everything he says, and that's ok, it's all part of being a civilized human, you should be able to accept people's flaws, ALLOW them to be individuals.

in any event, what's important here is the MESSAGE he brings, not his background.

how on earth is his background important, when his message is so powerful in itself? that's one of the problems with humanity, the inability to prioritize. just listen to your heart. and if your heart keeps telling you it's all bullcrap, then get your heart checked out :) .... that's easy to do tho, but i'm not going to tell you how to do it, you have to do research.

look.. sometimes dr. deagle pisses me off. sometimes i think he's waaaay too paranoid. but then again, sometimes he says stuff that is so true and powerful i just decide to keep listening. he knows a bunch of stuff and it's cool to learn stuff

Jonah 10-28-2008 03:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby (Post 63423)
The Bible says that we are to be the Bride of Christ so does that mean God will marry his self?

Hello scooby...

Perhaps that means that once we heal the mother in ourselves, christ will then be able to "Marry Us".

Scooby 10-28-2008 06:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Myplanet2 (Post 63636)
I can see from your comments and viewpoint how Deagles comments might not have sat well with you.

But this needn't come down to "right" and "wrong". It could be different instead.

When a person views from a point, (has a viewpoint) other points appear as different, or "over there". Many religions, including yours, instill and then strengthen this tendency. This is how it is. That way is the wrong way. They are this, or that. Unbelievers. Misguided. Controlled by dark forces. If you don't agree with our view, then you are wrong and doomed. And ad infinitum.

The challenge is in avoiding the automatic rejection of other viewpoints.

Learning is done by comparing. If you can't look at other viewpoints, then what do you have to compare to?

#1 HUH?
#2 I don't belong to any religion
#3 To accept others stances on the bible because they hold some semblance of truth is what common religion is about now days. I read the bible and seek the advice of true scholars that take the literal word and interpret it as a written language not a belief or by way of any predisposed belief system.
I read the bible and use the strongs and Young concordance and go thru it word by word and take entire chapters and disect it as you would interpret english by using the subject, verbage and so on. most translations are flawed at best. I belong to the family of God. In that I mean I belong to a family of believers that seek God earnestly on their face with humility and humbleness before the maker.
This is Not a religion this is a faith. Those that seek God earnestly like this will surely be led to truth and understanding that comes through thorough study and prayer and will recieve revelation in their spirit and will also become truly aware of the everlasting spirit that is within them. AS God said, "You will know them by their deeds", that with a spiritual discernment, that also comes from the above faith and seeking will reveal to the faithful that which is false doctrine. The enemy uses many false doctrine based religions to cause the children of God to be misled and thus become LUKEWARM. I don't intend to be spit out because I practice tolerence to others false doctrine which if let in will eventually corrupt me. sorry if I was redundit here . I never said any of the other things here nor was I talking about another religion in my previous post but was speaking in regards to a Man and what he says.

Myplanet2 10-28-2008 07:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby (Post 63846)
#1 HUH?
#2 I don't belong to any religion
#3 To accept others stances on the bible because they hold some semblance of truth is what common religion is about now days. I read the bible and seek the advice of true scholars that take the literal word and interpret it as a written language not a belief or by way of any predisposed belief system.
I read the bible and use the strongs and Young concordance and go thru it word by word and take entire chapters and disect it as you would interpret english by using the subject, verbage and so on. most translations are flawed at best. I belong to the family of God. In that I mean I belong to a family of believers that seek God earnestly on their face with humility and humbleness before the maker.
This is Not a religion this is a faith. Those that seek God earnestly like this will surely be led to truth and understanding that comes through thorough study and prayer and will recieve revelation in their spirit and will also become truly aware of the everlasting spirit that is within them. AS God said, "You will know them by their deeds", that with a spiritual discernment, that also comes from the above faith and seeking will reveal to the faithful that which is false doctrine. The enemy uses many false doctrine based religions to cause the children of God to be misled and thus become LUKEWARM. I don't intend to be spit out because I practice tolerence to others false doctrine which if let in will eventually corrupt me. sorry if I was redundit here . I never said any of the other things here nor was I talking about another religion in my previous post but was speaking in regards to a Man and what he says.

well I see. (not really :wink2:

permit me to withdraw my earlier comments. (unless somebody else wants the:tongue2: )

aiwass322 10-28-2008 07:58 PM

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Hehe. We are wayyyy of topic people. But it is good that we get do discuss these kind of things, since in time it will give us a common ideological platform from which to work forward. I have given my views on simular topics before but will decline to do so this time....

Anyhow. I don´t know if you saw what Kerry posted: http://www.projectavalon.org/forum/s...ead.php?t=6076

Not entirely my opinion I might add but a good addition to the debate on this thread.


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