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I'm with Kathleen on this. I moderated a public forum for 6 years. I posted on it mostly with my moderator hat off - in fact, on the forum if I posted as a moderator, I always said "moderator hat on" - I handled most of my moderation privately, so as not to embarrass the other party, who mostly broke forum rules unknowingly.

After all, I wouldn't have been on the forums at all if I didn't love the subject matter, and disallowing an opinion to me just because I was a moderator didn't seem fair.

Now, that said, there are people who moderate huge forums who are "professional moderators" They read it all, so as to determine if there's something that needs moderating, but they usually have several boards they're moderating, and they don't become involved in the subject matter. Hard to believe, I know, but I know of at least one other person who is like that, actually, more than one. LOL

I also found that there were forum members who resented the fact that "anyone" had powers over them (most of these were guys in the 18 to 40 age group), in any way (which you could say a moderator does) and they tried over and over to put the moderator in a little box so they (the forum member) could control the moderator (and it was particularly noticeable with the female moderators). And then there were the members that thought because something was done one way on one board, it should be done the same way on all boards, and frequently would post "instructions" to the moderators. (As if somehow PMs wouldn't do.)

Feh - :wall:

Carry on, Kathleen :original:.

IMHO we've got a good set of modertors here, and I"ve now hijacked this thread :mfr_lol: I'll return it to the earlier argument about whether a person can "believe" another person without "hearing" or "seeing" that person, and whether taking someone else's word for it is sufficient. (knowing in my heart that the answer is different for everyone)

alys

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I feel that as a Moderator you have some power, and you should have a sense of responsibility.

I think that in your post, you were actually functioning as a Moderator, yet stating that you were not functioning as a moderator.

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Now that we all contribute in some sense I think that would be highly appropriate.

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Google Book Search has a really thorough preview of the book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=BHT...result#PPA8,M1

(It looks like a very good book. I have it on order now. I'm looking forward to reading it.)

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You can read and download the book here as pdf file:

http://projectcamelot.net/extraordin...pane_andov.pdf

malletzky

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Personally I'm not too worried about having my mind blown. None of the AW info should be too expansive to anyone who's read much sci-fi. It's basically a synopsis of a good part of the 2012 information that's on the web. Some is scientific but most of the presentation is intuitive.

I'm not even clear on the precise goals of the Nexus 2012 event. That may be in the thread but it was 40 pages long when I first saw it, and being a simple person who likes to get to the point, I find it hard to follow.

It seems to me that in any global, group alchemy project, all procedures, dynamics and possible misuses of energy should be noted and clarified, not withheld. This is the problem I have with "events" such as this. You're asking mostly mundane people to reach out and function as sorcerers, following some magical process that someone has created for them, but most of us know very little about sorcery (the energetics involved) even though we use it every other minute of our lives. Simultaneous and organized meditation with hundreds of other people is not the same as meditating every morning in your room. It's more like you're inviting hundreds of people into your "room" with you. It feels kind of like church to me, a perfect example of the misuse of magic and sorcery.

IMO there clearly is a threat, not only of energy misdirection, but of the possibility of the energy being hijacked by matrix agents (for lack of a better term). Everyone participating should know this fact and know something about preventing it from happening....and that should be a part of the initial instructions.

Also, to back Kathy T's criticisms to some extent... we are talking the end of the world in a half dozen possible scenarios here. The science and references should be important to everyone...though I don't really care about where the images come from, only that there should be fewer of them.

At the same time, there's no proof of the multidimensional aspects of it, so no there's no point in demanding that, or a peer review of it. All we can do is analyze AW's presentation, see if there's scientific backing for that part of and then let it resonate. As for me, I don't resonate with the end of the world stuff, but it's clear that we're in the midst of major acceleration of energy and that it's affecting consciousness in a powerful manner.

Maybe it is the end of time, or time as we perceive it. I do think we can morph the future, because that's how it works anyway (first someone thinks of something, then puts energy behind it, then adds action, then it manifests). It seems like focusing a specific intent at specific times could have an effect, but it's also creating pathways and portals into every participants energy field and this is nothing to be taken lightly. The fact that someone saw patterns or whatever is not an indication that it's working in the way that was intended.

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Well put, Sun-toon (is that korean?)..i like what u say. Ultimately we must just go with our own feelings and be prepared (mentally) as well as physically). I want change myself. Personally, and for the world.

By the way, have a read of futureyes post #32 (i think) above...lovely words, thanks futureyes...
P.

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I agree Sun-Toon', those are my concerns as well. I'm not convinced that whatever takes the energy can't fake the 'love and light' feeling.

As for the mind blowing, dude most of what I've read the last months hasn't blown my mind at all.
I has change my awareness, yes, but sadly my world is pretty much the same old still.

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Well Czymra, that being said, don't doubt for a moment that your mind can be blown. It's an endless process of expansion and integration. The whole idea being put forth by all the ascension movement people (and also by non-people :>)...that we'll get to some point where we get it all, become fully aware and go on to work for some brotherhood of light, is IMHO, a pile of cr@p. It's here, in the material world, and in particular this one, that the light...the higher frequency information we carry, and which we're in the process of re-remembering, needs to manifest. And if it's not mind blowing enough for you, just try processing the idea that they kill people here for doing just that.
I don't think they'll kill anyone for Nexus 2012 though, and that says more than anything about my feelings towards it.

You're also absolutely correct about "them" faking the "love and light" feeling. It's not only possible, but quite normal for information, programming and matrix hooks to be inserted into us under the cover of ecstatic and even orgasmic sensations. This is exactly the point I was trying to make about the need for a deeper understanding of the magical processes involved before diving into someone else's ceremony.

I just want to comment that I blew past this post last night, and that I agree with it and probably would have used it to say much of what I said if I'd seen it. I want to second the idea that Josefine makes about the artwork and packaging of the event. I thought it was very distracting to include all the groovy photoshopped "astral light" pictures, and also to use gigantic fonts, etc (what is with that anyway?). The pages take a long time to load and it takes forever to read through the thread.

I'm not saying Nexus 2012 is a waste of time, becuase it is interesting and the seed of what might be a grand idea, but it is a waste of time to spend hours reading through what could have been stated clearly in a couple of pages.


A couple sidebar comments-
To piers2210: no, it's not korean, just an old buckeye thing I've been carrying around. Also, since I'm new here what's with the overbearingly concise "expletives deleted" programming? I'm surprised y'all are so comfortable being treated like 8 year olds.

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Josefine's discernment skills are top notch, but I can even see an agenda in that. We all have agenda's don't we.
However, I think it's all a wonderful process if we bring it all out of us without compromise, full clash. That is the only process that will really allow us to tell truth from lie. All of us carry memes that have been planted and unknowingly further them. Only this exchange can identify them as such.
Regarding the way the thread looks, yes it's scrambled, but the summaries and it's translations make up for that.
I'm no friend of overly photoshopped pictures or gigantic fonts, but if that is what people think is needed to express their emotions, I think one should not scrutinise it. Too much 'professionalism' kills the fun.

Regarding the 'censorship' of swearwords, I find it funny as well. I'd never do it but in order to be polite I'll adapt.
However, I think the positive end of this is that one is challenged to find words that precisely describe a feeling or a dynamic instead of just using the omnipotent f word or its friends.

Seeding the notion of 'being treated like 8 year olds' is as much a programming trick of suckering us into pride as the 'censorship' itself is.

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I just ordered one:)
Cant wait to read it I'm so excited:)

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Sun-Toon,

Here is the link where you can find the downloadable summary of the nexus thread:
http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/nexusform.html
It's well worth reading.

Jetles,

I am currently reading Astralwalker's book: " Extraordinary powers in humans". An excellent book !
You won't be disappointed .
I can only recommend it to everyone !

Kindness
mudra

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Thx, mudra...I'll check this out. I downloaded the book as well.


Well I'm not buying into this. If you're going to paint Josefine's discernment as an agenda you should explain that. It was an observation and a good one.

I can halfway agree with the 2nd comment...I'm not into killing anyone's fun or spontaneity, but posters should understand that sometimes their means of expression, when they were emotional for a moment last week, might lose it's impact and even become annoying when threads become historical references rather than active conversation. (i.e. you can always go back and edit).
OTOH, I don't feel it's appropriate to declare what cannot be scrutinized.

As for accusing me of "seeding" some sort of "program" into this forum because my ability to express myself (and yours as well) is curtailed by an absurd forum programing decision, one which censors the word "c r a p"; and then having a mod without the hat declare that "wise" and "profound"...Honestly, those have to be among the strangest two posts I've ever seen in venue where most of the membership seems reasonably rational.
Would the next step be to prohibit violent words like "murder" and "rape"?

Since I've only made about a dozen posts here, I suppose my comments carry no weight with the regulars, but I do have more than a decade of experience with forums and newsgroups. It's my opinion, derived from observation, that censoring anything but the most outrageous personal attacks and trolling does nothing to enhance the spirit of communication and the exchange of ideas. This exchange is my agenda, so have no doubts about that. It's one that I assumed would be in sync with the mission of avalon.

~~~
I came back into this and edited because I've been away from my desk and thinking about it.
I'm not saying we should agree, differing points of view are a positive and necessary part of the equation. But, to insinuate that the act of questioning the rulemakers is somehow out of line, makes me a bit uneasy about your hidden agendas...and questioning an act of scrutiny is an even more extreme level of control. Conform all you like, but the use of social intimidation to coerce your level of conformity out of others is not conducive to an atmosphere of creative exchange.

As a sovereign individual, I take responsibility for my own actions and feel no need for rulemakers at all. None. I don't need policed to protect others from me, and I don't need protected from myself. That is the vibrational realm we're moving into when we're moving into higher dimensional realms. It means understanding and accepting the consequences of action, without authority figures (or gods) dictating what we should be doing. If you're not ready to do that on the freakin' internet, you're certainly not ready to do it in real life.

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I really appreciate your answer.

I don't want to get too deep into this because I don't think we're actually opposing each other. I too take responsibility for my actions, even (especially) if they are out of line with the status quo. In fact, just yesterday I had to witness a censoring of sexual comments (in no way derogatory) and that I think is utterly unnecessary. It in fact, killed a contribution to the forum. However, it seems that there are issues regarding what content can actually be posted and supposedly (I didn't check this myself) a forum could be taken down for 'corrupting the youth' or whatever excuse it might be. Not that this forum couldn't be taken down for hundreds of other reasons.
Copyright infringement would be the least of them. Why however this forum considers itself above copyright but not above that f***ing decadence and hypocrisy (I bleeped myself! but this time the word IS descriptive) I do not know.

Be that as it may, I'll keep my eyes open because if this continues I might want to use my voice for all that's worth.
As for my 'accuse' of Josephine's intentions having an agenda, well I guess I have to apologise for I didn't mean it as an accuse. As you so eloquently illustrated yourself, anybody can be accused of having an agenda. Are they even real people? No one knows. I am just trying to see the dynamics behind the entity that posts it and I'm somewhat confused when supposedly real people never contradict themselves, are real hard-liners... because I certainly, as you just noticed, throw the odd statement that wasn't as well thought through as I hoped it would be, but hey, at least I come with humility to to accept that and apologise.

It's people that are supposedly spiritually enlightened, yet have not humility whatsoever that make me really weary.

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For Avalon forum members :mfr_omg: we are very please to announce the attendance in person of Astralwalker of the Nexus thread. Who is in Melb.: :welcomeani: I can vouch that he is real and rididige. :thumb_yello: He only just arrived in Aus. and after a time to settle and adjust we will talk extensively, with an idea of posting a video in the near future, if Kerry and Bill don't beat us to it.

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Hmmm. It wasn't my intent to get into this discussion, but I think it may be one of the most important subjects that needs to be brought out in the open here. Who says there are content indiscretions that can get the forum banned? and from where? If this is true then we might has will hang it up and find another way to communicate, because unless we're writing in code, the very objective of this level of discourse is going to anti-PTB, anti-status quo and revolutionary at it's core.

We're not saving the current system, and if anyone thinks so, I suggest you hang up the thought. It's over, rotten to and from the core, and needs overwritten with an entirely new program. If that program can't be sketched out, as creatively as possible, and maybe even more importantly, alliances created in the same way, why are we wasting our time? My Space is a click away, and they don't seem worried about anything but showing a tit.



Well Czymra, this was my way of checking to see if you're a real person. I've read a few of your posts and I was almost stunned to see such seeming support for the local PTB. I have it in on good authority through the grapevine that Josefine is real as well.

BTW, are you talking about copyright infringements that derive from the re-posting of other net available information? If so, that seems like one more issue that could easily be solved by personal responsibility, and enforced, not by censorship, but by politely reminding each other to give credit where credit is due. Very little of what's on the web is put there by anyone who thinks their intellectual property is not going to travel. Instead, most everyone (Reuters excluded), gets an ego boost from having their material go viral. They don't care where it gets used, but everyone wants their work linked back to the source, and I don't see why that's too much to ask.

The needed humility of the supposedly spiritually enlightened is a topic that could fill a book, and in fact I'm half thinking about it. :>)

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Great news Aussie G,

Looking forward for this video :)

Kindness
mudra

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You're welcome to drive it. Whenever I went (in the Nexus thread) on about 'where are the backup systems, do you all have private contact already, what kind of organisation is taken beyond this board?' all I got as a reply is that "all will be fine, of course people are privately conversing".
What shall I say. In fact, there are many people who are a little frustrated with this attitude but their posts seem to become less and less. Asteram and cloud9 are the first to think of.


Wait a second, I'd really like to see a list of posts that support 'the local PTB'. What are the local PTB? Moderators? Kathleen?
This sounds like an anarchy trip. Is the next system anarchy of love and happiness? I don't know. It's rather hard to grasp and I think it'd be better to not lead towards a specific concept of a system because it's likely we wouldn't recognise it from this vantage point.
If you are of such anti-authority it almost sounds like you shouldn't be too far from the nexus thread. There, no leaders exist, just 'organisers'.

The copyright infringement is more a matter of sharing torrents and eBooks, the former is probably decided soon, PirateBay will show.

Forgive me for being so cynic but it does bring up old frustrations. Regarding humility, I doubt that writing a book about it will have any use.

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To know another human being in their essence, you don’t really need to know anything about them — their past, their history, their story. We confuse knowing about with a deeper knowing that is non-conceptual. Knowing about and knowing are totally different modalities. One is concerned with form, the other with the formless. One operates through thought, the other through stillness.

Knowing about is helpful for practical purposes. On that level, we cannot do without it. When it is the predominant modality in relationships, however, it becomes very limiting, even destructive. Thoughts and concepts create an artificial barrier, a separation between human beings. Your interactions are then not rooted in Being, but become mind-based. Without the conceptual barriers, love is naturally present in all human interactions.


Eckhart Tolle
Source: Stillness Speaks

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:>) You're a hoot Cz...
I already told you what my trip was, but I've never thought of the "anarchy of love and happiness". I think I like it. I'm going to have to contemplate that concept.

I wasn't suggesting that you've left a trail of support for the local PTB, but I heard things long before I decided to post here. Rumors abound, people who know people talk, others who've been removed from this list spew on other forums, etc...so it's clear that there is a local PTB.

I think I've said enough on this subject for now. I don't really have a problem, but I'm irritable, and I can see how something that may seem to promote congeniality and decorum can have far reaching negative implications.
This all started with a comment about the word masking tool, and now leads to this final statement: If the local PTB is first and foremost interested in finding solutions, they'll stay out of the way and encourage the widest and wildest discourse possible. The problems we face are far deeper and more profound than any of us can grok, and most of what's being discussed is tangential at best. Right now much of our planet's evolution is tied to a few people having their non-local memories activated piece by piece, and those pieces can come from anywhere. People who think outside of the box naturally tend to be uncomfortable in a setting of rules and restrictions, and IMO it's from outside of the box that the solutions will arise. The local PTB should be working to attract those types, not drive them away.

Although that doesn't seem to be the case in reality. There is leadership and it's leading no matter what they call themselves.
I have no problem with leaders, but leaders are not necessarily authorities, and authorities rarely have the insight to lead intelligently, otherwise they wouldn't need to be lording over others, enforcing what they've invented as "the rules". We're not in the army, though an army we may be. There are very few real rules, and true leaders only need to help others understand them. The proof of that understanding will manifest and educate as it always does.

Well, the humility issue is only a part of it, and not the biggest one at that. I'm more interested in how deep so many are into their new age, old age, esoteric and magical studies, yet have skipped the basic lessons of integrity and impeccability. It's amazing how many metaphysical and mystical personalities, some of whom have actually acquired a great deal of far flung and valid information, still haven't learned not to mistreat their wife or cheat their business associates. We are what we do, not what we say.

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Thanks,
that was necessary.

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Fair enough, I still don't quite understand your concept of local PTB however. Tag some terms on it so I can imagine something concrete please.

Well, it's a funny one. I too think that there will always be some that drive a project on. They may not be permanent or have force beyond their charisma and skill but they exist.

This just hasn't gone down with me yet. That's when I get irritable... 'spiritually advanced' people abusing their social position. Go figure.

Anyway, rock on. It's good to have you here.

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Thank you Josefine, a good analogy… I do hope we all aspire to use both hemispheres in balance.

I wanted to comment further on how other large forums have operated. Here’s the policy from one forum many of you will be familiar with:

“12/2006, Effective immediately, AboveTopSecret.com is handling inline images differently…
Generally, the new rule is simple:
You host it: if you have made arrangements to host the image either through a hosting service, your own website, or your ATS member upload space, you can visually display the image in your post.
A news service hosts it: If the image is owned by a news service, you can display it in a post by using a news tag.
All other images included in posts will now appear as an "external image" link.
“
The last one means, a link to the original source.

I respectfully disagree with you here. There is room for doubt everywhere.

“True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance.”
“Akhenaton”

“Doubt is the beginning not the end of wisdom (Proverb)”

“Doubt is part of all religion. All the religious thinkers were doubters.”
“Isaac Bashevis”

“I respect faith, but doubt is what gets you an education.”
“Wilson Mizner”

Malletzky, thank you for this post. It has been very helpful to me. I have now read much of his book, and that is a great help to understanding who Pane Andov is. I do think there is value in his book, a value to understanding the experiences such as he has had. I look forward to some day when he might do a radio or video interview.

"History is a better guide than good intentions."
Jeane Kirkpatrick, 1926-, U.S. political scientist and United States ambassador to the United Nations (1981-1985)

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What is history? Now i doubt that it is a record of what happened in the past.

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This is what I meant...

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[QUOTE=KathyT;116448]
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I respectfully disagree with you here. There is room for doubt everywhere.

KathyT,

I believe the soul's heart does'nt doubt ..it knows because it's wholeness and not dichotomy.
Doubt lays in the field of the mind and has it's utility there .
I happily welcome though you having a different reality than mine.
That's fine.

"The greatest meditation is a mind that lets go."

Kindness
mudra

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I'm please to announce that Mel Fabregas of the Veritas Show has announced through his forum that he will be interviewing Astral Walker on his show this month! That is good news.
If you have questions, Mel has always been open to considering listener's questions for his show.
http://www.veritasshow.com/

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Thanks for sharing this Kathy that's very good news :)
I am sure that makes you happy !

kindness
mudra

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Discernement between faith, belief and knowledge is as important as discernement between soul and spirit and mind